THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH

Too watered down. The text reads:

"I suffer not a wife to teach, nor to usurp authority over her husband, but to be in silence." More strictly translated, this sentence reads, "I do not allow a wife to teach, or excercise authority over a husband."

That means he would have put someone in their place, and corrected them if he saw it happening.

of course they took him aside. that is scriptural. his teaching was not correct and rather than call him out and do damage, they did the right thing and spoke to him in private

and unlike so many puffed up men, he took their correction

honestly I wonder what filters some folks use to read...including the KJ onlyists

I'm not vindicating myself. I'm trying to discuss this issue in light of scripture. And if we can get over all this petty squabbling maybe we can get on with that, yes?

Did you miss the whole concept of why the apostles called a meeting in the first place?

More baloney from Laura. So you want to look at all Scripture? How about applying this one to yourself? Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement. (1 Pet 3:6) Will you address your husband as Sarah did? Tell us the truth.

I have a question and mind you this is a scenario I have often wondered about this subject, if a women teacher or pastor was used by God to bring people to Christ but man stood up rejecting her because she is a women who would God see in the wrong?

There is pleny of scriptures speaking on how we should save the lost how we should teach each other and encourage each other but very few regarding womens place in the church and even then it is not even a clear cut verse it can easily be interpreted as something else.
If I met God and spoke against a women teacher or preacher because I believe God favors men over women and this women was used greatly by God to save souls I can only imagine him saying to me who are you to decide whom I should use and for what purposes?

but that is just me and maybe it is just me but I believe the holy spirit does not have look at what gender we are to use us in different areas, God uses the willing not always the qualified he looks to the heart not what makes us man and women.
Of course it is also true that women and men do both have specific roles that are God given, the women gives birth and the man helps raise the child and in most cases is the bread winner but on those ocassional times where you have a stay at home dad while the mom works I don't think it is wrong. If it is wrong for women to take the lead and teach and preach the gospel then it is a sin but if God uses who he chooses and we discourage them acting on God's calling I think that would be an even greater sin

I really do not respect what you have to say, so it would not be fair

I have heard and read every argument there is against women in church...both in this forum and in church...being in leadership (sorry that probably sits rather badly with you) and getting along fine with the men in the church...working with the pastor and others

no one ever had any problem with me because I respect others and do not hit folks over the head with the Bible

I've held Bible studies and men joined in. did not invite them and did not lord it over them. perhaps my way of doing things is a little closer to the biblical narrative

I would like to see a newly saved man teach his wife (Christian of many years). I've seen plenty in churches...more than I would like at times

when someone pulls up Genesis and Adam and Eve and what God cursed them with, I know where that person stands. to be sure, women will sometimes use that also because that is what they have been taught

follow Jesus. He set an example on how God views women during a time when women were often no more than chattel. the husband and wife relationship is not an example of how men in general should treat women

I doubt, truly and with some respect, that you have anything to say I would find useful. not with the attitude of superiority you display

so there it is.

and it is not petty at all. it is life changing news to many women that God loves them and wants them to fellowship with Him and does not want them to shut up the minute they enter a church

Proverbs 31 anyone?

Hmm... so you think that a believing woman couldn't have a one on one conversation with a man to correct and teach? then what do you think of all the women on this chat site? Most of us at some point have 'taught' we have all 'corrected'.

And what of Deborah the Judge, was she usurping her husband's authority?

"I am reminded of your sincere faith, which first lived in your grandmother Lois and in your mother Eunice and, I am persuaded, now lives in you also."---2 Timothy 1:5

Was it wrong of them to be the ones to share the gospel message with Timothy since no men are mentioned to have been with them?

"Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them that he had said these things to her."--John 20:18

Was it wrong that Jesus first appeared to a woman and not a man and she was the first to bring the message to the apostles?

you certainly are not looking at all scripture LOL!

not defending anyone, but if you saw a woman decked out as Sara probably was, you would point her to scripture and tell her to take the gold ring out of her nose and quit it with the fancy hair

do you suggest the husband go out to war and dig wells in the backyard? or produce a child with his wife's maid?

smh

And your words show your attitude towards women--disrespectul--e.g. you say my words are 'baloney'.

Sarah, hmm.

Abraham tells her twice to lie. She tells Abraham to sleep with her maidservant and he does it. then she get mad at him for doing what she told him to do and now we have Ishmael's descendants as our enemies.....

No women teachers= insecure sexist pig!!
women teachers= corrupt feminist trash!!
What's wrong with this Sophie? Don't you like your house not being invaded by foreign armies and... drinking water?

If you were reading what I post, you'd know it doesn't "sit badly with me," and you wouldn't be leveling another curt insinuation at me.
And you are respecting me in this thread? Your first post addressed me with, "His name is Jesus. have you met Him?"
Yet another insult. No actual discussion of the scriptures, just more derogatory remarks cloaked in how you supposedly have "some" respect for me, yet I have nothing to teach you. And yet I'm the one who's displaying a superior attitude?

It was Laura who wanted to look at ALL Scripture. So now she is in a funk because she will not be obeying that Scripture. And all your other reasons to veer away from it will not hold any water either. Peter made sure that was for all Christian women.

Imagine is not how we interpret scripture. It says both Priscilla and Aquila.

He began to speak boldly in the synagogue, but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.

Kinda odd that Luke would write Priscilla first in a man dominated culture. But anyways they took Apollos (a man) aside and taught him the way of God.

Kinda ironic a woman was the first to be trusted with the Gospel at the garden tomb but back on point.

Galatians 3:28
English Standard Version
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

yeah I know

hey...my husband is lord of the manor and I am lady of the manor



you don't actually know what I veer away from or veer to. I may not be what some men want in a wife, but this wife would not want those men to share her life with anyway

I'm so thankful God does not make or desire cookie cutter men and women

You need to learn Context and authorial intent. And fully 1Tim 2 so the context is seen not masked by your bias.
You have a bad habit of not showing the full context of scripture of others, so let me help you with the context of what I said.


Mary the mother of Jesus
Elizabeth the mother of John The Baptist and many more

The following women often get overlooked, but even though we do not have long stories about them, their leadership still is recorded in the Bible. There is Anna, who was a prophet (Luke 2:36) along with the four daughters of Philip who also prophesied (Acts 21:9).

A “prophet” in the biblical sense, is a truth-teller delivering God’s message to the world — in other words, a preacher. More descriptively, a preacher who can pack a punch.


There is also Phoebe, who was a deacon (Romans 16:1), and Junia, who the Bible describes, not only as an apostle, but an outstanding one (Romans 16:7).


Right there according to the word of God NOT CS1, Bible which is God's word. I said women CAN PREACH AND TEACH AS THE WORD OF GOD SHOWS us.


1Tim chapter 2


2 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,
2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
6 who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time, 7 for which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ and not lying—a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth.

8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting;
9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing,
10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived fell into transgression.
15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.

This instruction is to a young Pastor while Paul is in Prison. Yet in 1cor chapter 11 Pauls says this about women speaking in the Chruch


2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man (husband) , and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved.

11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. 12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.

13 Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? 15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given [a]to her for a covering. 16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

Paul is saying to Timothy and to the Corinthians adjust to the gifting that you have and correct the error where you are. Let LL THING BE DONE IN ORDER as 1cor chapter 11 through 14 are unit chapters and contextual addressing the Lord's supper and gifts in the church setting. Yes, there are plenty of places where women need to be silent as well as many men too.

so which disciple are you? the anon one?

I disregard the nonsense you first post and the last sentence is funny

as it is, we actually do need a new water system...alot of minerals in our lovely water...gotta get to it this month...hard water is problamatical