THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH
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According to you. But NOT according to God.[/QUOTE
no, in the word of God we see women: teaching and Prophesying, Praying and used in the gifts of the Holy Spirit In both old and new Women have been used by God as Prophets and the spokesmen for God
Mary the mother of Jesus
Elizabeth the mother of John The Baptist and many more
The following women often get overlooked, but even though we do not have long stories about them, their leadership still is recorded in the Bible. There is Anna, who was a prophet (Luke 2:36) along with the four daughters of Philip who also prophesied (Acts 21:9).
A “prophet” in the biblical sense, is a truth-teller delivering God’s message to the world — in other words, a preacher. More descriptively, a preacher who can pack a punch.
There is also Phoebe, who was a deacon (Romans 16:1), and Junia, who the Bible describes, not only as an apostle, but an outstanding one (Romans 16:7).
Right there according to the word of God NOT CS1, Bible which is God's word. I said women CAN PREACH AND TEACH AS THE WORD OF GOD SHOWS us.
no, in the word of God we see women: teaching and Prophesying, Praying and used in the gifts of the Holy Spirit In both old and new Women have been used by God as Prophets and the spokesmen for God
Mary the mother of Jesus
Elizabeth the mother of John The Baptist and many more
The following women often get overlooked, but even though we do not have long stories about them, their leadership still is recorded in the Bible. There is Anna, who was a prophet (Luke 2:36) along with the four daughters of Philip who also prophesied (Acts 21:9).
A “prophet” in the biblical sense, is a truth-teller delivering God’s message to the world — in other words, a preacher. More descriptively, a preacher who can pack a punch.
There is also Phoebe, who was a deacon (Romans 16:1), and Junia, who the Bible describes, not only as an apostle, but an outstanding one (Romans 16:7).
Right there according to the word of God NOT CS1, Bible which is God's word. I said women CAN PREACH AND TEACH AS THE WORD OF GOD SHOWS us.
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it says 'law'--but this law is nowhere found in scripture--they were meeting in the synagogues. So it can only refer to two laws: 1) the law of the land as Clarke says in his commentary--he was born at the end of the 1700's so I don't think he was in any way a feminist--he was giving us 'just the facts'--plain and simple, with no rhetoric. 2) or synagogue laws which are not listed in scripture.
Paul felt it necessary to issue his corrective because in early Christian congregations, following Jewish practice, it was permissible and customary to interrupt the preacher to ask questions. In first-century synagogues, a sermon followed the reading of Scripture. This exposition of Scripture was more a lesson than a sermon, and congregants were encouraged to ask questions. In fact, the asking of questions was so central to the rabbinic teaching method that often the preacher-teacher began his sermon by just seating himself and waiting until someone from the audience asked a question. There is a whole category of Jewish literature called xxx xxxxx (ye lam DE nu ra BE nu, May our teacher instruct us). It is similar to what we now call “Questions and Answers.” Today public speakers often employ a Question-and-Answer period, especially as a means of clarification at the end of a lecture. In first-century Jewish society this approach was usually the main method of instruction.
From Paul’s injunction we learn that at public religious gatherings of early Christians, women sat with men in the same hall, perhaps even next to their husbands or fathers. Paul’s command itself implies a mixed audience: there would have been nothing indecorous about a woman asking a question in a group composed entirely of women.
https://www.cbeinternational.org/re...lace-women-first-century-synagogues-they-were
Paul felt it necessary to issue his corrective because in early Christian congregations, following Jewish practice, it was permissible and customary to interrupt the preacher to ask questions. In first-century synagogues, a sermon followed the reading of Scripture. This exposition of Scripture was more a lesson than a sermon, and congregants were encouraged to ask questions. In fact, the asking of questions was so central to the rabbinic teaching method that often the preacher-teacher began his sermon by just seating himself and waiting until someone from the audience asked a question. There is a whole category of Jewish literature called xxx xxxxx (ye lam DE nu ra BE nu, May our teacher instruct us). It is similar to what we now call “Questions and Answers.” Today public speakers often employ a Question-and-Answer period, especially as a means of clarification at the end of a lecture. In first-century Jewish society this approach was usually the main method of instruction.
From Paul’s injunction we learn that at public religious gatherings of early Christians, women sat with men in the same hall, perhaps even next to their husbands or fathers. Paul’s command itself implies a mixed audience: there would have been nothing indecorous about a woman asking a question in a group composed entirely of women.
https://www.cbeinternational.org/re...lace-women-first-century-synagogues-they-were
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Priscilla, along with her husband, is someone Paul names as a “co-worker” in Christ, and in Acts 18, Priscilla teaches Apollos, a “learned man, with a thorough knowledge of scripture.”
Despite his considerable expertise, Priscilla is able to explain “the way of God more adequately” to him, and he expresses no dismay at her gender.
In many of the passages where she is mentioned, Priscilla’s name is listed before her husband’s, which is noteworthy in a culture that usually placed husband’s names first, suggesting Priscilla, rather than Aquila, was the leader of this particular couple. So far the women in scripture are defying that “complementarian” business by a landslide, and I’m only just getting started.
Priscilla, along with her husband, is someone Paul names as a “co-worker” in Christ, and in Acts 18, Priscilla teaches Apollos, a “learned man, with a thorough knowledge of scripture.”
Despite his considerable expertise, Priscilla is able to explain “the way of God more adequately” to him, and he expresses no dismay at her gender.
In many of the passages where she is mentioned, Priscilla’s name is listed before her husband’s, which is noteworthy in a culture that usually placed husband’s names first, suggesting Priscilla, rather than Aquila, was the leader of this particular couple. So far the women in scripture are defying that “complementarian” business by a landslide, and I’m only just getting started.
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Doesn't matter to me what he is. It wouldn't disqualify his theology if to were well founded and logical, but it's not, IMO. No evidence that Paul ever cited Roman law to establish doctrine. He used Jewish Law.
No evidence as of yet. Again, I am not averse to the notion. It would carry weight if you could prove it through something. But for Paul to base his teaching on specifically om what the Law said, this assumes his readers understood what he was referring to, and given that in all other cases where he referred to Law he was referencing Jewish Law, we should assume no different here, IMO.
This is an ecxellent little piece, and would that churches conducted themselves this way today. But there isn't anything here that effects the discussion for me. The question still remains as to what Law Paul was referring to, and despite what my brother has argued for, the Lord's words to Eve were a judicial decree, and enforced in Jewish marriages from that point forward, as is clear from Jewish culture and custom.
This is very good. Never noticed this passage before. It doesn't say only he was teaching Apollos, but that they were. This would not be violating the scriptural command, for they were speaking as one voice unto him (which implies under the husband's headship and approval), and that's a different thing than the wife doing all the talking.
Excellent : )
24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. 26 So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. 27 And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace; 28 for he vigorously refuted the Jews publicly, showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ.
Wow
Comforting, is it not?
Now I know why the Spirit had me jump all over that business. Talk about subjugation... it borders on cult mind-control.
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Women being silent isn't doctrine--again it is about orderliness in worship. We are country governed by pagans, but we nearly without exception keep the laws of the land. You said the reader would know what Paul was referring to--I guess since neither of us actually know the answer, then we need to take it in the spirit and context which it was given. To summarize, "Please don't ask questions and interrupt during the assembly--that's not how we do it here--wait until you get home and ask your husband then." and I'll add --husbands feel free to ask your wives when you get home too... (;
Since God never contradicts Himself, you are simply imagining things. So once again, you are reminded of what is actually in Scripture:
1 TIMOTHY 2: THE ROLE OF WOMEN ACCORDING TO GOD (NOT CS1)
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer [allow] not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
1 TIMOTHY 2: THE ROLE OF WOMEN ACCORDING TO GOD (NOT CS1)
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer [allow] not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
No, no. I said his argument was weak.
Yes, but God was giving laws from the outset. His first law was right here:
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
