Misconceptions

God has never stopped moving in holy men. it was holy men who sought the Lord and the leading of the Holy Spirit to have an understanding of what scriptures are authoritative and absolutely the word of God.

What makes the scriptures inspired? Very simple, the thin thread that run's through Genesis to Revelation. The Person Jesus Christ.

His words are the foundation on which ALL scripture rest, both Old and New Testament The Eye Witnesses of the Resurrected Lord. and the Comfriming of the Resrurrrected Lord by Signs & wonders through the people of God as it was then and today. We are not to worship the bible, we are supposed to live the word of God by Faith.

The canonization of the Bible is done by God through man but it was God who guided this. The same Holy Spirit in the world today is still working as HE did before. Yet, we apply in our lives the word of God written thousands of years ago and see the same results; if you are not, that is in no way meaning it is not so. Because the word of God still does what it did then. The false narrative that God doesn't heal or empower with the Holy Spirit because one has not experienced or witnessed it, is like saying Jesus was not raised from the dead because I did not see it.

Beware of F.F. Bruce. He sided with Westcott and Hort and wrote a commentary based upon the NIV.

I recognized it. I just chose to see his "inner dragon" instead.






Furtick Food, LoL!!

I wasn't sure whether to post a "funny" or a "sad" to that video - gave new meaning to the word "disconcerting" a few times - but I went with funny...

Think I should tell my wife we're starting a home church soon, and I need her to buy me some skinny jeans cuz I'm going for the Furtick look?

In regards to 1 Corinthians 13 and calling the perfect as the completed revelation of Gods Word in the canon..

Reasoning purely from this chapter isn't enough for this to hold water, but together with the experience of modern tongues being quite different to what was experienced in the early churches and similarly with what a biblical miracle is compared to what it is interpreted to be now among some circles..

Plus with the death of the apostles, it becomes evident the sign gifts have passed.

I like this kind of reasoning from the likes of R.C. Sproul.

The 1 Corinthians 13 chapter isn't conclusive but other scripture and historical experience is conclusive on this.

Yea I'm not saying God stopped moving in holy men of God full stop...but did stop at inspiration for the scriptures.

In regards to 1 Corinthians 13 and calling the perfect as the completed revelation of Gods Word in the canon..

Reasoning purely from this chapter isn't enough for this to hold water, but together with the experience of modern tongues being quite different to what was experienced in the early churches and similarly with what a biblical miracle is compared to what it is interpreted to be now among some circles..

Plus with the death of the apostles, it becomes evident the sign gifts have passed.

I like this kind of reasoning from the likes of R.C. Sproul.

The 1 Corinthians 13 chapter isn't conclusive but other scripture and historical experience is conclusive on this.

In regards to 1 Corinthians 13 and calling the perfect as the completed revelation of Gods Word in the canon..

Reasoning purely from this chapter isn't enough for this to hold water, but together with the experience of modern tongues being quite different to what was experienced in the early churches and similarly with what a biblical miracle is compared to what it is interpreted to be now among some circles..

Plus with the death of the apostles, it becomes evident the sign gifts have passed.

I like this kind of reasoning from the likes of R.C. Sproul.

The 1 Corinthians 13 chapter isn't conclusive but other scripture and historical experience is conclusive on this.

You can place the secular humanistic term "modern tongues" in that same location as the idea of 1cor 13:8-10 meaning the Bible. You said :

"The 1 Corinthians 13 chapter isn't conclusive but other scripture and historical experience is conclusive on this"

Prove it. None of you have been able to make that connection. You allegorize the word of God, a few verses in the Old Testament, and try to tie 1cor 13:8-10 with it. The context of 1cor 13:8-10 has nothing to do with the canonization. That is bad hermeneutics.

So trying to use other text with 1cor 13:8-10 will not work. IF you are going to say "but other scripture and historical experience is conclusive on this" not at the expense of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit that has not ended.

You know what's also interesting about this passage? It is followed in the next verses with language straight out of the Old Testament which confirms Paul was still talking about the gifts in Chapter 13. This is obvious from how the Chapter starts, but also in relation to the language he uses in v.12, which parallel Numbers 12:5-8 on the subject of prophesying through the interpretation of visions and dreams.

I did a piece on it last year. Let me go see if I can find it... Here. This is copied and pasted from April, 2020 at CB:

In 1st Corinthians 13, Paul stated the following: "For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when that which is perfect comes, that which is in part will be set aside... for now we see through a glass darkly (literally "in an enigma"), but then we will see face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know even as I have been known" (1 Corinthians 13:8-10, 12).

Paul was here making use of Numbers 12, where it states, "Then the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud. He stood at the entrance to the tent, and summoned Aaron and Miriam. When the two of them stepped forward, He said, 'Listen to My words. When there is a prophet among you, I the Lord reveal Myself to him in visions. I speak to him in dreams. But this is not true of My servant Moses. He is faithful in all My house. With him I speak face to face clearly, and not in enigmas. He sees the [very] form of the Lord. Why, then, were you not afraid to speak against My servant Moses?” (Numbers 12:5-8 ).

Paul used these exact same expressions to make the same comparison; of God speaking "face to face" (πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον) verses Him speaking to His prophets "in enigmas" (ἐν αἰνίγματι). An enigma is what a prophetic dream or vision is like. It is a riddle, which is why some translations read, "For now we see through a glass in obscurity (or in riddles)." Throughout ancient Greek, the word αίνιγμα is almost invariably translated into English as "dark sayings, riddles," hence the translations, "seeing through a glass darkly." In ancient times, glass was not nearly as refined as it is now. You could see through it a little, but the image was often very blurry and "dark," thus it took perception to discern what you were actually looking at through it. This parallels what it is like to interpret prophetic dreams and visions. They are like riddles, and take spiritual discernment to make out.

This is what the New Testament Christians were doing because Paul specifically used the words, "For now WE see through a glass darkly (present tense)." He was saying that when they got to Heaven, they would see God face to face just like Moses did. But at the present time they were still seeing through a glass darkly, or literally "in enigmas." It means that the New Testament prophets were still operating in prophecy by interpreting prophetic dreams and visions just like the Old Testament prophets did.

The surrounding context of 1st Corinthians all the more bears this out. In 1 Corinthians 12:31, Paul was urging them to seek the greater gifts, but then began showing them a better way to operate in them; in love for others. Our love for our brothers and sisters in Christ will remain even when we are finally in Heaven, when prophecy is no longer needed. But then he adds this, "[So] pursue love, and be zealous for spiritual gifts, but rather that you may prophecy, for the one speaking in a tongues speaks not to men but to God... but the one prophesying speaks unto men for edification" (1 Corinthians 14:1-3). In other words, pray that God gives you the ability to prophecy so you can be of more benefit to others, and minister to them more in love.

Thus, Chapters 12 through 14 deal with the issue of operating in tongues and prophecy, and point out how prophecy is superior, being the greater gift, because it brings greater edification to the saints. But until we get to Heaven, Biblical prophecy has always been and will always be a practice that involves interpreting dreams and visions, because we still presently "see through a glass darkly," i.e. in enigmas and in "riddles."

prove it! in the word of God

Well, all I'm saying here is there was a point at which God stopped moving in Holy men of God to pen scripture. Proof of this? Revelation is done!

So maybe a misunderstanding here.

There is nothing in scripture to say God no longer moves in Holy men of God now of course.

Well, all I'm saying here is there was a point at which God stopped moving in Holy men of God to pen scripture. Proof of this? Revelation is done!

So maybe a misunderstanding here.

There is nothing in scripture to say God no longer moves in Holy men of God now of course.

Interesting perspective. The full context of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit must also be understood they types of Gifts

1cor 12:1 = pneumatikos
1cor 14: 4 = charisma
1cor 12:5 = diakonia
1cor 12:28 tithēmi which comes from Eph 4:11= didōmi the gifts of Christ listed in both 1cor chapter 12 & Eph chapter 4

1cor 12:28 tithēmi which comes from Eph 4:11= didōmi the gifts of Christ listed in both 1cor chapter 12 & Eph chapter 4