Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy

justbyfaith · Nov 14, 2021

2Pe 3:15, And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
2Pe 3:16, As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Grandpa · Nov 14, 2021

justbyfaith said:

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:9-10
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding scripture and basic english. This seems pretty straight forward to me.

Is it not?

justbyfaith · Nov 14, 2021

Grandpa said:

The law brings the knowledge of sin in order that a man may be driven to Christ and the Cross for salvation.

While the law does not impart life, it does convert the soul (Psalms 19:7 (kjv)). It is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ.

As concerning Romans 7, consider the emphasis that I give to the passage.

Rom 7:7, What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8, But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9, For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10, And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11, For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Rom 7:12, Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13, Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

Ogom · Nov 14, 2021

"One of the hardest things to understand for most humans walking this planet is that
God’s thoughts are not the same as your thoughts. In fact, the Bible teaches that the thoughts of man are far different than the thoughts of God. Our thoughts are influenced by emotions and even circumstances that we often don’t control. "

Read more: https://www.whatchristianswanttokno...ot-your-thoughts-a-bible-study/#ixzz7CFG6wph6

BroTan · Nov 14, 2021

Phoneman-777 said:

Indeed, Jesus said: (John 14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments. So many people say they love Jesus but will not keep his commandments.

BroTan · Nov 14, 2021

DavidTree said:

According to the Bible if you are Born again there are somethings you should be able to do.

Let take a look at this in John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit. If you can do this, you are born again.

ewq1938 · Nov 14, 2021

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

G2647
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kataluo¯
Thayer Definition:
1) to dissolve, disunite
1a) (what has been joined together), to destroy, demolish
1b) metaphorically to overthrow, i.e. render vain, deprive of success, bring to naught
1b1) to subvert, overthrow
1b1a) of institutions, forms of government, laws, etc., to deprive of force, annul, abrogate, discard
1c) of travellers, to halt on a journey, to put up, lodge (the figurative expression originating in the circumstance that, to put up for the night, the straps and packs of the beasts of burden are unbound and taken off; or, more correctly from the fact that the traveller’s garments, tied up when he is on the journey, are unloosed at it end)
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2596 and G3089
Citing in TDNT: 4:338, 543

Naturally Christ did not come to destroy the law but he did come to fulfill it:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

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ple¯roo¯
Thayer Definition:
1) to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
1a) to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
1a1) I abound, I am liberally supplied
2) to render full, i.e. to complete
2a) to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
2b) to consummate: a number
2b1) to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
2b2) to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
2c) to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise
2c1) of matters of duty: to perform, execute
2c2) of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish
2c3) to fulfil, i.e. to cause God’s will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God’s promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4134
Citing in TDNT: 6:286, 867

The word means to complete. When something is incomplete then is completed it is done and finished. Something new then can be started and this is what Christ came to do. The old law was completed so a new law (which is a new Covenant) could be introduced.

It wouldn't be proper to introduce a new law if the old one was not completed and only following that law perfectly could fulfill it.

So the old law was fulfilled and completed and could then be replaced by a new law. This makes the first law "old" which Paul said was decaying.

Destroying something and completing something have the same exact results, in this case decaying:

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

First of all, the law is the words of a covenant so the decaying of the covenant includes the law of that covenant:

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Here something called the covenant is also called the law and we know this is the Sinai covenant and the law of Moses because of the dating of it coming 430 years after the promise to Abraham.

God has had covenants with various peoples but as far as the Sinai covenant and the law of it, it started at Sinai with Moses.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Paul is using the analogy of the law having been alive like a created living creature who at some point dies and decays and eventually that carcass vanishes. That is the same result had the same creature been destroyed like being near a bomb that explodes. Death and decay and vanishing would also take place.

I think Christ is being clever in denying he was going to destroy the law, but by fulfilling it having the same result as destruction. One is less offensive than the other but the same result is still the same result.

So, while Christ did not destroy the law, he did do something else that did result in the law being made old, replaced by something new, and a figurative death occurring and a figurative decay and vanishing that took place.

BroTan · Nov 14, 2021

TMS said:

Add some Bible to the message so people can see, because common sense is at it's last leg...lol. Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET.

Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law.
(v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy.

Paul says in (Rom. 4:15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. If there is no law there is no sin.

soberxp · Nov 14, 2021

God knows not to save the special crowd, but to save all the people. There is no racial discrimination in God.
Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy
You fool, Moses COMMANDED
The ten commandments of Moses are out of love of God, and all the laws are contained in love

justbyfaith · Nov 14, 2021

ewq1938 said:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

G2647
?ata??´?
kataluo¯
Thayer Definition:
1) to dissolve, disunite
1a) (what has been joined together), to destroy, demolish
1b) metaphorically to overthrow, i.e. render vain, deprive of success, bring to naught
1b1) to subvert, overthrow
1b1a) of institutions, forms of government, laws, etc., to deprive of force, annul, abrogate, discard
1c) of travellers, to halt on a journey, to put up, lodge (the figurative expression originating in the circumstance that, to put up for the night, the straps and packs of the beasts of burden are unbound and taken off; or, more correctly from the fact that the traveller’s garments, tied up when he is on the journey, are unloosed at it end)
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2596 and G3089
Citing in TDNT: 4:338, 543

Naturally Christ did not come to destroy the law but he did come to fulfill it:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

G4137
p????´?
ple¯roo¯
Thayer Definition:
1) to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
1a) to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
1a1) I abound, I am liberally supplied
2) to render full, i.e. to complete
2a) to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
2b) to consummate: a number
2b1) to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
2b2) to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
2c) to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise
2c1) of matters of duty: to perform, execute
2c2) of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish
2c3) to fulfil, i.e. to cause God’s will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God’s promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G4134
Citing in TDNT: 6:286, 867

The word means to complete. When something is incomplete then is completed it is done and finished. Something new then can be started and this is what Christ came to do. The old law was completed so a new law (which is a new Covenant) could be introduced.

It wouldn't be proper to introduce a new law if the old one was not completed and only following that law perfectly could fulfill it.

So the old law was fulfilled and completed and could then be replaced by a new law. This makes the first law "old" which Paul said was decaying.

Destroying something and completing something have the same exact results, in this case decaying:

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

First of all, the law is the words of a covenant so the decaying of the covenant includes the law of that covenant:

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Here something called the covenant is also called the law and we know this is the Sinai covenant and the law of Moses because of the dating of it coming 430 years after the promise to Abraham.

God has had covenants with various peoples but as far as the Sinai covenant and the law of it, it started at Sinai with Moses.

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Paul is using the analogy of the law having been alive like a created living creature who at some point dies and decays and eventually that carcass vanishes. That is the same result had the same creature been destroyed like being near a bomb that explodes. Death and decay and vanishing would also take place.

I think Christ is being clever in denying he was going to destroy the law, but by fulfilling it having the same result as destruction. One is less offensive than the other but the same result is still the same result.

So, while Christ did not destroy the law, he did do something else that did result in the law being made old, replaced by something new, and a figurative death occurring and a figurative decay and vanishing that took place.

Jesus fulfills the law in us by living His life in us and through us (Galatians 2:20); thus the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4) in the practical sense; as we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Galatians 5:16-24)..

BroTan · Nov 15, 2021

justbyfaith said:

Faith and works go together and you can't have one without the other. "Here is the patience of the saints; here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:12).

True saints realize that God's law must be obeyed to receive eternal life. Why does the bible seem to teach that the law has been done away with, if we must still keep the commandments? When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws. These laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation (Hebrews 10:26-27) 26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).

justbyfaith · Nov 15, 2021

BroTan said:

You have put the cart before the horse.

Those who are truly born again will receive His commandments and obey them as the result.

But a person does not obtain eternal life by obeying the commandments.

Regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost happens "not by works of righteousness which we have done" (Titus 3:4-7).

If I give $5 to the poor, or even $5,000,000, that is not going to procure for me the regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost that amounts to being born again.

That only comes through faith in Jesus and what He did for us on the Cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-5).

A person is regenerated and renewed through faith; not through anything that they might do.

God will not owe any man anything (Romans 4:4); but He offers salvation to everyone as a free gift (Romans 5:15-17). This is the gift of righteousness; which will result in practically living out your faith (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6, 2 Corinthians 5:7).

Genuine faith produces works (Ephesians 2:8-10); but the same passage tells us that we are not saved / regnerated / renewed by doing good works.

Works that are done apart from faith are dead and have no power to save anyone.

Works that are done in faith do not save anyone either. They are only the evidence before man (Romans 4:2) that a person has genuine faith.

Romans 4:5-8 tells us that righteousness is imputed to us through faith apart from works.

justbyfaith · Nov 15, 2021

BroTan said:

Heb 10:26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28, He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29, Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30, For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31, It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

We must understand this passage by certain biblical knowledge.

First, we find that according to scripture, Christians are not under the law (Romans 6:14), are dead to the law (Romans 7:4, Galatians 2:19) and are delivered from the law (Romans 7:6). Where no law is (where it does not apply), there is no transgression (Romans 4:15); sin is not imputed where there is no law (where it does not apply) (Romans 5:13).

We find in holy scripture, therefore, that "all things are lawful for me" (1 Corinthians 6:12, 10:23).

Now, sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4); so I conclude that as a believer under grace, I cannot sin in the eyes of the Father (1 John 3:9); who looks down on me from heaven and sees the shed blood of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

So, looking at the passage, how is it possible to sin willfully after having received the knowledge of the truth? All of the things that I have mentioned above are obtained by faith in Jesus and what He did for us on the Cross.

So, I would sin willfully by failing to place my faith in Jesus and what He did for me on the Cross. In such a situation, the sin of transgressing the law would not be covered and I would be sinning against the Lord.

To sin willfully, I think that it would have to be a situation where I am not tempted to sin and a situation where I do not sin out of weakness. It is written,

Psa 37:23, The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way.
Psa 37:24, Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth him with his hand.

I may fall into some temptation; but if I sin out of weakness then there is the possibility that I have not sinned willfully against the Lord; and I ought to look up in my faith and believe that there is indeed forgiveness for me, even in light of this passage.

If I keep faith in Jesus and what He did for me, then I am blessed according to the following scripture.

Rom 4:7, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

As long as sin is not imputed to me, I cannot sin willfully against the Lord, in the Lord's sight.

So then, the willful sin that is being spoken of in the passage has to do primarily with rejecting faith in Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the Cross.

Phoneman-777 · Nov 15, 2021

gb9 said:

I know people say that the seventh day “Sabbath” is different from the “seventh day” of Creation and didn’t exist until Moses, but there’s a very good reason why the two are completely synonymous which means it’s existence goes back to Eden. Here’s a bit of logic progression:

1)The Bible says when God blesses something it’s blessed “forever”.

2)Genesis says God “blessed the seventh day sanctified it.”

3)Exodus says God “blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it”.

Therefore, the Sabbath day MUST have been blessed in Eden.

WHY?

Because when God blessed the seventh day in Eden, it makes no sense for us to argue God had to bless it again at Sinai - because “Thou blessest, and it shall be blessed forever”… a second blessing “booster shot” would have been totally unnecessary - it was FULLY blessed way back in Eden.

That means when Exodus says “God blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it”, the blessing Moses was referring to was THAT SAME BLESSING that He bestowed on the seventh day of Eden, and is the unbreakable connection of the Sabbath of Exodus to the seventh day of Genesis, showing that the Sabbath existed all the way back in the beginning.

Grandpa · Nov 16, 2021

Phoneman-777 said:

God didn't bless a religious tradition of resting on saturdays. He blessed the 7th day. Not the 14th,21st,28th,35th,42nd...etc

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Hebrews 4:1-3
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

You aren't resting if you are still working at what the Law says in your own understanding and strength.

Its kind of funny that Paul calls the law the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. For a really long time people who practice some form of Judaism have been "resting" on saturdays according to tradition. But they still don't get it. They put their tradition of practicing as a higher importance than what God Gives His People.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

What did God do on the 8th day? And the 9th day? The 10th day?

BroTan · Nov 16, 2021

justbyfaith said:

We must realize, that it is the keeping of God’s holy laws that separates the righteous from the unrighteous, the Saints from the Sinners. (Titus: 3:8) This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. You must learn (by the word of God) what God expects of you and maintain his expectations to the end, if you expect to be saved. Jesus says in (Matt. 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men. And how do you do that? By having good works. Sometimes as a Christian you don’t have to say a word, people will see your works.

It’s easy for people to say how much they love the Lord, they may be able to deceive man, but God knows the mind. Many profess they know God, but in their works they deny him everyday. Paul said in (Titus 1:16) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him; being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Yea, most people are talking about how they know God with their lips, but by they works they are doing something totally different. The Lord God commanded people to remember the Sabbath day (which is the seventh day of the week) to keep it holy and they deny him to his face by saying “I go to church on Sunday (the first day of the week) because Paul broke bread on Sunday”. There's no other day to go to church on, but what's written in the Bible. So people have been taught to do the things thats not written in the Bible and to use the Bible to justify it.

BroTan · Nov 16, 2021

justbyfaith said:

Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). You can't post verses over Jesus words, you run to Paul writing over Jesus.

God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

No one is Born Again according to the Bible accept Jesus.
John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice He made a difference between flesh and spirit. Ask yourself that question, was you born flesh or spirit?

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit. You are not Born Again!

justbyfaith · Nov 17, 2021

BroTan said:

We must realize, that it is the keeping of God’s holy laws that separates the righteous from the unrighteous, the Saints from the Sinners. (Titus: 3:8) This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. You must learn (by the word of God) what God expects of you and maintain his expectations to the end, if you expect to be saved. Jesus says in (Matt. 5:16) Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. You are supposed to glorify your Father in heaven, and let your light shine before men. And how do you do that? By having good works. Sometimes as a Christian you don’t have to say a word, people will see your works.

It’s easy for people to say how much they love the Lord, they may be able to deceive man, but God knows the mind. Many profess they know God, but in their works they deny him everyday. Paul said in (Titus 1:16) They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him; being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. Yea, most people are talking about how they know God with their lips, but by they works they are doing something totally different. The Lord God commanded people to remember the Sabbath day (which is the seventh day of the week) to keep it holy and they deny him to his face by saying “I go to church on Sunday (the first day of the week) because Paul broke bread on Sunday”. There's no other day to go to church on, but what's written in the Bible. So people have been taught to do the things thats not written in the Bible and to use the Bible to justify it.

1) We are regenerated and renewed "not by works of righteousness which we have done";

and,

2) The sabbath day law was a type of what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 11:28-30. It was merely a shadow of the real substance; which is Christ (Colossians 2:16-17).

justbyfaith · Nov 17, 2021

BroTan said:

Jesus quoted the law to the rich young ruler because it is the purpose of the law to bring a man to the end of himself so that he can come to Christ for his salvation.

Jesus indirectly substantiated Paul's writings by substantiating Peter in John 14:26, John 16:13. He said that the Holy Spirit would guide Peter, and those who would receive the Holy Spirit, into all truth. Paul himself was filled with the Holy Spirit (Acts 13:9); but even if the scripture hadn't made that clear, Peter does make it clear in scripture that Paul's writings are in fact scripture (in 2 Peter 3:15-16).

When we understand them, they can be of great benefit to us spiritually.

The law is given as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).

Once we come to faith, we are no longer under a schoolmaster (Galatians 3:25) as concerning condemnation. The law also no longer has to teach us what it was teaching us in our time when we were under its tutelage, now that we have come to faith in Christ. It has taught us our code of conduct and now that we are no longer subject to the schoolmaster, we still abide by its training out of a desire to honour our family name and out of love for the Father. The schoolmaster has trained us up and we do not need the schoolmaster any more to grade us on our conduct; for now we have an inward circuit judge that grades us in our conduct (the Holy Spirit as He brings to remembrance our training that we had from the schoolmaster).

As concerning obedience, we are under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians 9:21)...

The law is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 3:3-6).

We therefore obey the commandments of the Lord because we have been saved (because we love Jesus (John 14:15, John 15:10)) and not out of any fear of condemnation that we would not be saved if we were to fail to obey the law.

Those who seek to be justified by law-keeping are required to obey every moral tenet of the law perfectly from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

We do not obey the law therefore in order to be saved...

Rather we obey the Lord because we have been saved.

The righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us when we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4).

justbyfaith · Nov 17, 2021

justbyfaith said:

1) We are regenerated and renewed "not by works of righteousness which we have done" (Titus 3:4-7, esp. v.5);

and,

2) The sabbath day law was a type of what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 11:28-30. It was merely a shadow of the real substance; which is Christ (Colossians 2:16-17).

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