Jesus Came To Fulfill Not To Destroy
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yeah to follow The spirit we have to follow the right word that ministers the spirit.
“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
… It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
….Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
John 6:45-47, 63, 67-69 KJV
to know Gods truth we have to hear Jesus word of his kingdom
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:36-37 KJV
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
knowing the truth that Jesus word reveals is what brings freedom and life
It’s one of the reasons he came to speak the truth and tell Us to believe him and be saved from the devils trap in mankind’s mind and heart
“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
… It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
….Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.”
John 6:45-47, 63, 67-69 KJV
to know Gods truth we have to hear Jesus word of his kingdom
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
John 18:36-37 KJV
“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
John 8:31-32 KJV
knowing the truth that Jesus word reveals is what brings freedom and life
It’s one of the reasons he came to speak the truth and tell Us to believe him and be saved from the devils trap in mankind’s mind and heart
“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV
Are you saying the Old Testament prophecies no longer apply now that we're in the NT era?
That would mean Isaiah 9:6 KJV which says the increase of Jesus' government shall never end will never fulfill.
Therefore, if Isaiah 9:6 KJV must remain intact, so then must Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV, right or wrong?
That would mean Isaiah 9:6 KJV which says the increase of Jesus' government shall never end will never fulfill.
Therefore, if Isaiah 9:6 KJV must remain intact, so then must Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV, right or wrong?
You're denying Scripture, friend. James PLAINLY refers to "adultery" and "killing" when speaking about the Law of Liberty in chapter 2. When he said those who break these laws are guilty, that was THIRTY YEARS after the Cross. Adultery and killing are clearly part of the Ten Commandments, which James refers to as the Law of Liberty...it's not limited to some intangible "feel good" saccarinne sentimentalism "drippy love syrup" to which you guys always refer...it is the plain Word of God which He wrote with His own finger in stone and if you love Him, we'll keep the first four and if we love our neighbor, the last six.
I been working 75-80 hour weeks since the storm, BUT NOT ON SABBATH LOL (To tell the truth, I did work a few Sabbaths right afterward, but donated every cent to the cause of God, because I believe it's not right to profit for doing the Lord's work on His holy day).
As for "destroying my works salvation", how can you destroy something I've never constructed? All I says is what the Bible says: that those who claim to love Jesus but refuse to obey Him are liars which will be cast into the Lake of Fire (1 John 2:3-4 KJV; Revelation 22:9-10 KJV
As for "destroying my works salvation", how can you destroy something I've never constructed? All I says is what the Bible says: that those who claim to love Jesus but refuse to obey Him are liars which will be cast into the Lake of Fire (1 John 2:3-4 KJV; Revelation 22:9-10 KJV
I been working 75-80 hour weeks since the storm, BUT NOT ON SABBATH LOL (To tell the truth, I did work a few Sabbaths right afterward, but donated every cent to the cause of God, because I believe it's not right to profit for doing the Lord's work on His holy day).
As for "destroying my works salvation", how can you destroy something I've never constructed? All I says is what the Bible says: that those who claim to love Jesus but refuse to obey Him are liars which will be cast into the Lake of Fire (1 John 2:3-4 KJV; Revelation 22:9-10 KJV
As for "destroying my works salvation", how can you destroy something I've never constructed? All I says is what the Bible says: that those who claim to love Jesus but refuse to obey Him are liars which will be cast into the Lake of Fire (1 John 2:3-4 KJV; Revelation 22:9-10 KJV
that is a good thing you did, however, as you well know, gentiles are under no command to keep the Jewish Sabbath.
nine of the Ten were repeated in the N,T. for gentiles, Shabbat was not.
i know the Ten Commandments are from God and do not dare disregard them - NO ONE is able to keep them
They are only kept by Christ and we are kept in Him as we love and obey Him.
Therefore, though i know the Ten Commandments - i do not place my expectation of pleasing God in them but in Christ.
NO ONE can keep the Law - ALL have failed but ONE - CHRIST
Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8So God, who knows the heart, [a]acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
They are only kept by Christ and we are kept in Him as we love and obey Him.
Therefore, though i know the Ten Commandments - i do not place my expectation of pleasing God in them but in Christ.
NO ONE can keep the Law - ALL have failed but ONE - CHRIST
Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8So God, who knows the heart, [a]acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
I believe that there is a cultural context to Isaiah 66:15-17 that you are not seeing. There has to be; because otherwise the Bible contradicts itself.
Whereas this scripture is clear.
1Ti 4:1, Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2, Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3, Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4, For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5, For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
1Ti 4:6, If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
Whereas this scripture is clear.
1Ti 4:1, Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2, Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3, Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
1Ti 4:4, For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1Ti 4:5, For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
1Ti 4:6, If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained.
You already are doing those things.
You are not crucifying yourself on a cross in order to offer them Eternal Salvation. You are not giving them Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Goodness or Faith.
You can't give them the things they need from God.
All you can do is PRETEND that you do these things in order to Justify your work at the law.
The Law shows that God is Just in condemning you and your only HOPE is in the Advocacy of the Lord Jesus Christ. Not in your achievements, wisdom, or knowledge of the Law.
You are not crucifying yourself on a cross in order to offer them Eternal Salvation. You are not giving them Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Goodness or Faith.
You can't give them the things they need from God.
All you can do is PRETEND that you do these things in order to Justify your work at the law.
The Law shows that God is Just in condemning you and your only HOPE is in the Advocacy of the Lord Jesus Christ. Not in your achievements, wisdom, or knowledge of the Law.
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Galatians 3:10 doesn't mention ANYTHING about attempting to be justified by the Law. You are making that up in order to JUSTIFY your own work at the law.
For those who know they are justified in Christ, they are DEAD to the Law in order to Live unto God.
I have PROVEN that the Law of sin and death is the 10 commandments. Paul describes the 10 commandments as the Law of condemnation, death and sin ALOT in his epistles. You reject Paul because of your desire to work at and be justified by the Law.
If the 10 commandments are written on the hearts and minds of Christians, then sin, death and condemnation is what God writes there. If it is Gods Laws and Statutes that are written on the hearts and minds of Christians then it is Righteousness, Love, Joy and Peace that are written there.
You keep SAYING that you are not seeking to be justified by the law. And yet what do you keep saying your obedience is of? The law. That IS the definition of trying to be justified by the law. By placing yourself under it and pretending to be obedient to it.
For those who know they are justified in Christ, they are DEAD to the Law in order to Live unto God.
I have PROVEN that the Law of sin and death is the 10 commandments. Paul describes the 10 commandments as the Law of condemnation, death and sin ALOT in his epistles. You reject Paul because of your desire to work at and be justified by the Law.
If the 10 commandments are written on the hearts and minds of Christians, then sin, death and condemnation is what God writes there. If it is Gods Laws and Statutes that are written on the hearts and minds of Christians then it is Righteousness, Love, Joy and Peace that are written there.
You keep SAYING that you are not seeking to be justified by the law. And yet what do you keep saying your obedience is of? The law. That IS the definition of trying to be justified by the law. By placing yourself under it and pretending to be obedient to it.
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I have placed my trust wholly in what Jesus did for me on the Cross, for my salvation.
As an added bonus to the fact that I have received forgiveness of past, present, and futures sins through His shed blood on the Cross of Calvary, I get to have a clear and good conscience because He has given to me His Spirit...and as I walk according to His Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me (Romans 8:4).
I know that any time that I begin to trust in my performance to save me, that my performance goes downhill. I begin to walk in the flesh because the Lord turns His face away from me when I am trusting in my performance. But when I trust in the Cross, my performance then begins to get better, with the added bonus of a clear and good conscience; because I am not trusting in my performance but in what Jesus has done for me on the Cross; and as the result I become able to walk more succinctly according to the Spirit.
As an added bonus to the fact that I have received forgiveness of past, present, and futures sins through His shed blood on the Cross of Calvary, I get to have a clear and good conscience because He has given to me His Spirit...and as I walk according to His Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in me (Romans 8:4).
I know that any time that I begin to trust in my performance to save me, that my performance goes downhill. I begin to walk in the flesh because the Lord turns His face away from me when I am trusting in my performance. But when I trust in the Cross, my performance then begins to get better, with the added bonus of a clear and good conscience; because I am not trusting in my performance but in what Jesus has done for me on the Cross; and as the result I become able to walk more succinctly according to the Spirit.
As concerning condemnation and the wet paint principle.
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-wet-paint-principle-freedom-from-sin.201727/
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/the-wet-paint-principle-freedom-from-sin.201727/
Grandpa said:
I have PROVEN that the Law of sin and death is the 10 commandments.
Several times I have.
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 7:9-10
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding scripture and basic english. This seems pretty straight forward to me.
Is it not?
I have PROVEN that the Law of sin and death is the 10 commandments.
Several times I have.
Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Romans 7:9-10
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
I don't know why you have such a hard time understanding scripture and basic english. This seems pretty straight forward to me.
Is it not?
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Galatians 3:11 qualifies Galatians 3:10 as speaking of those who are seeking to be justified by the law...as does the other context in Galatians 5:1-4.
That the law can in fact be a blessing is evident by what we read in James 1:25.
I have rightly concluded that the curse in Galatians 3:10 is on those who attempt to obey the law in order to be justified.
Those who are already, truly, justified, their obedience to the ten commandments is not going to reverse that justification so that they are condemned.
Think...
If I am justified through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, must I really do the following in order to retain that justification?...
Commit adultery with my neighbor's wife,
Kill my neighbor,
Steal from my neighbor,
Bear false witness against my neighbor,
Covet my neighbor's belongings
Or, otherwise break any and every commandment that concerns my neighbor?
Because if I don't do any of those things, I am effectively obeying the ten commandments (the law of Moses).
So, because I am not violating those commandments in my life, I am truly under a curse?
I'm afraid that you have a god who curses the righteous for being righteous and blesses the wicked for being wicked!
If I somehow thought that my not viollaitng the commandments spoken of were my justification before God, I would be in error...I would be required to obey all 613 commandments spoken of in the Old Testament and I believe also all of the moral tenets in the New.
But because I know that I am forgiven of past, present, and future sins through faith in the blood of Jesus, I am not going to lose that forgiveness over the fact that I am obedient to the commandments of Jesus in the Old and New Testaments.
That the law can in fact be a blessing is evident by what we read in James 1:25.
I have rightly concluded that the curse in Galatians 3:10 is on those who attempt to obey the law in order to be justified.
Those who are already, truly, justified, their obedience to the ten commandments is not going to reverse that justification so that they are condemned.
Think...
If I am justified through faith in the blood of Jesus Christ, must I really do the following in order to retain that justification?...
Commit adultery with my neighbor's wife,
Kill my neighbor,
Steal from my neighbor,
Bear false witness against my neighbor,
Covet my neighbor's belongings
Or, otherwise break any and every commandment that concerns my neighbor?
Because if I don't do any of those things, I am effectively obeying the ten commandments (the law of Moses).
So, because I am not violating those commandments in my life, I am truly under a curse?
I'm afraid that you have a god who curses the righteous for being righteous and blesses the wicked for being wicked!
If I somehow thought that my not viollaitng the commandments spoken of were my justification before God, I would be in error...I would be required to obey all 613 commandments spoken of in the Old Testament and I believe also all of the moral tenets in the New.
But because I know that I am forgiven of past, present, and future sins through faith in the blood of Jesus, I am not going to lose that forgiveness over the fact that I am obedient to the commandments of Jesus in the Old and New Testaments.
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In the context of what you are quoting, Paul makes it clear that it is not the law that brings death, but sin taking advantage of the commandment that is in fact producing death.
If the ten commandments are the law of sin and death, then the law of sin and death is written on the hearts and minds of believers under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 john 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 john 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21).
But it is clear to me that the law of sin and death, spoken of in Romans 8:2, is referring to what was spoken of in the immediate context (Romans 7:14-25, esp. v.21); that it is the principle that "when I would do good, evil is present there with me." (Romans 7:21).
If the ten commandments are the law of sin and death, then the law of sin and death is written on the hearts and minds of believers under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 john 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 john 2:3-6, 1 Corinthians 9:21).
But it is clear to me that the law of sin and death, spoken of in Romans 8:2, is referring to what was spoken of in the immediate context (Romans 7:14-25, esp. v.21); that it is the principle that "when I would do good, evil is present there with me." (Romans 7:21).
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