The significance of Christ keeping the Law

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The imputed righteousness = we are sinless and the law has no condemnation of us. (justification by faith)
What about imparted righteousness? The righteousness that Christ puts in us to live like Him, (sanctification) The law will not save us but we can obey the Spirit as new born Christians and the Spirit is perfectly obedient to the law like Jesus was.
Imparted = Jesus in us, giving us the power to overcome.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

If the flesh is dead and the Spirit is leading you, the result is peace and obedience.

Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

We can't keep the law in the flesh (Rom 8:7), and we will fail on our own. But we have Jesus and the Spirit to help us (Imparted righteousness), the flesh and the Spirit are at war. We need to crucify the flesh and allow the Spirit to rule and obedience will come as a natural result.
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I know that my victory over the flesh came when I stopped drinking the toilet water that this world has to offer; and began to partake only of the living water that Jesus gives.

Jhn 4:13, Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Jhn 4:14, But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Jhn 6:35, And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Jhn 7:37, In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
Jhn 7:38, He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Jhn 7:39, (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Now I am satisfied in Him and am not drawn away or tempted by the toilet water that this world has to offer.

I count it as "dung water" (Philippians 3:8).
 
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The Ten Commandments certainly did identify sin as Paul said. But it is the standard of righteousness set forth by God.
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once again Gods standard of righteous is so far deeper than just ten commands. We we claim only these ten are the standard we water down the true standard and make the hill we have to climb only 59feet not 1000000 feet which is more apt to the true standard of righteousness god demanded from us
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
.... We we claim only these ten are the standard we water down the true standard and make the hill we have to climb only 59feet not 1000000 feet which is more apt to the true standard of righteousness god demanded from us
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I think i see what you are saying here. we definitely shouldn't lower right standards, but instead -- raise ourselves up to them. this can take time...
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
once again Gods standard of righteous is so far deeper than just ten commands. We we claim only these ten are the standard we water down the true standard and make the hill we have to climb only 59feet not 1000000 feet which is more apt to the true standard of righteousness god demanded from us
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But you show by your post that you make no effort to climb the 1,000,000 feet that is required of you.

It is evidenced by the fact that you disrespect the Lord by not capitalizing the word "God" in your posts.

I suppose that if we have been justified, we can rest on our laurels and make no effort to live a holy life; after all, the goal is unreachable!
 
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I think i see what you are saying here. we definitely shouldn't lower right standards, but instead -- raise ourselves up to them. this can take time...
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The Pharisees and all the judiasers and Hebrew roots people who push the ten commands and law as god standard are no different really
they water down Gods law to a point where they feel they have a chance to succeed. Then judge everyone who disagrees with them as loving their sin and sinners.

What saddens me is many of these people who claim to know Christ would probably reject him if he came to earth as he did 2000 years ago
 
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With all the shortages in the last year, can you imagine the body bag shortages if we kept the Law of Moses? Executing those who work on weekends would use up all the body bags. Thank God the Law preachers don't obey the Law!
 
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I think as a believer in Jesus Christ we should surely understand the significance of Christ keeping the Law. He didn't do it for Himself, being perfect in everyway of Himself, He did it for us! The just demands of the Law of God-- the Ten Commandments, must be kept to enter the Kingdom of God, but fallen man could not meet those demands in his condition.

Jesus Christ not only died for our sins, He also met the demands of the broken Law and kept that Law to perfection becoming the Second Adam to undo the curse man brought on himself.

Faith in Jesus Christ grants the believer a satisfied judgement and the position of Perfect Law-Keeper in the sight of God! Through faith, His victory over sin and meeting the demands of God's Law becomes our victory!

Fallen man could not meet the demands of a Perfect God, so He sends a Redeemer, a Saviour, a Perfect Sacrifice for man to deliver him from his sins and place him in the position that meets His Perfect demands.

God's standard of righteousness is the moral Law, the Ten Commandments. With Christ now having been that Sacrifice for our sins, and having kept the Law perfectly, by faith in Him, we are declared righteous and perfect in the righteousness of the Perfect Law of God.

Let's look at what Paul has to say about it.

Romans 8:3-4

"For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

In order for the righteousness of the Law to be fulfilled in us, there must be righteousness in the Law, especially since it was given by God. But for that righteousness to be obtained by man, perfect obedience had to be rendered, which was impossible because of the "weakness of the flesh."

"Walking after the flesh" is one trying to obtain that righteousness of their own ability by works, it simply cannot be done in man's fallen position! "Walking after the Spirit" is one who has placed his total faith in Jesus Christ, that the righteousness demanded by God will be obtained by faith in what Christ has done for us through the guiding of the Holy Spirit.

The bottom line is that man who places his faith in Jesus Christ will be granted the righteousness of God to enter into His Kingdom.
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I think Jesus kept the Law not for himself but for us. Israel was in need of the Law because they had a sin nature and had to deal with the temptation to sin, or to "walk in the flesh," every day. Jesus had no such need.

And so, he kept the Law for another purpose. One purpose was to show how his salvation would align with the Law's salvation, so that it could be seen the Law was a precursor to that.

The animal sacrifices at the temple were meant to foreshadow the eternal salvation that Christ would bring beyond what sinful Israel did through its imperfect priests under the Law. Whereas Israel brought temporary mitigation for sin, their practice under the Law was meant to show their trust that God would bring about a final mitigation for their sin.

Christ's practice under the Law was therefore unnecessary with respect to showing his righteousness. He was already righteous by definition. Rather, the value was in the Law stating that Man was hopelessly condemned by sin, and that being a sinner, could not, not even by the Law, self-redeem. A perfect sacrifice was needed. And that was not an animal, but Jesus.
 
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The Law preachers don't keep the Law! They just preach it!
 
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No one can keep the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13).

The spirit of the law is a different story (Romans 7:6).

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).
 
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justbyfaith said:
No one can keep the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13).

The spirit of the law is a different story (Romans 7:6).

If we walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit, the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us (Romans 8:4).
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The "letter of the law"? The "spirit of the Law"? Where is that in the Bible? It AIN'T!

The Law preachers love to preach it but they don't keep it!
 
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He perfectly obeyed God's perfect law. Then He died and was resurrected.
I denied myself daily...I took up my cross...I followed Him...for 20 years.
I died, He lives and dwells inside of me...I am finally assured of eternity! Hallelujah!
 
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Duckybill said:
The "letter of the law"? The "spirit of the Law"? Where is that in the Bible? It AIN'T!

The Law preachers love to preach it but they don't keep it!
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It is right there in the verse that I referenced to you (Romans 7:6). See also Exodus 34:27.

Preaching the law is important whether it is kept by the one preaching it or not.

It is a schoolmaster that leads men to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv))
 
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justbyfaith said:
It is right there in the verse that I referenced to you (Romans 7:6). See also Exodus 34:27.

Preaching the law is important whether it is kept by the one preaching it or not.

It is a schoolmaster that leads men to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv))
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IOW, you preach the Law but don't obey the Law! NOBODY obeys the Law of Moses. Why are you trying to force the Law on others?
 
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Duckybill said:
IOW, you preach the Law but don't obey the Law! NOBODY obeys the Law of Moses. Why are you trying to force the Law on others?
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The only reason why I preach the law is because I want people to come to Christ.

The law is a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ (Galatians 3:24, Romans 3:20, Psalms 19:7 (kjv)).

The wise will take this to mean that they can win souls to Jesus Christ by introducing them to the schoolmaster who can take them to where they need to be (salvation in Christ).

Pro 11:30, The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

For those who seek to enter into the kingdom through works, their personal merits, or their law-keeping,

They are responsible to obey the whole law perfectly from their conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

That is why we need the divine substitution: Jesus dying in our place so that our sinful lives are punished in Him when He died on the Cross in our place; and His perfect and righteous life is applied to our account in that we have appropriated His blood and imputed righteousness.

We have an unshakable identity...that we are righteous...through faith in Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the Cross...even when we blow it (Romans 4:5).

The exhortation from that point being: Now, go, and live like your new identity (1 John 3:7, Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6).
 
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justbyfaith said:
The only reason why I preach the law is because I want people to come to
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Do you preach all of the Law or just the parts you like? How about executing those who work on weekends? Of course you don't! Which parts of the Law do you preach?
 
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Duckybill said:
Do you preach all of the Law or just the parts you like? How about executing those who work on weekends? Of course you don't! Which parts of the Law do you preach?
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I preach what it says in Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, and Matthew 5:48, to the unbeliever.

To the believer I preach Romans 7:6 and Romans 8:1,4 (kjv)
 
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justbyfaith said:
I preach what it says in Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, and Matthew 5:48, to the unbeliever.

To the believer I preach Romans 7:6 and Romans 8:1,4 (kjv)
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You didn't answer my question. "Which parts of the Law do you preach?" Be specific. Quote the Law that we must obey.
 
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