Saved by Water

Why do you insist on injecting new items in a trail of discussion... stick with the point if you wish to pursue this review further.

I can see that you fail to understand that Christ never sinned while on this earth and needed not repentance or baptism...but was as an example of what you and I must do. Why would you even suggest such?

If you choose not answer my questions...we are finished here.

I have shown you where the Bible says it saves. Now please show me where the Bible says it does not save?

Yes, baptism is likened unto circumcision in Colossians 2:11-12.

However, Paul taught that being circumcised would damn a person.

Whereas Peter taught that if anyone is baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins, that there is an absolute promise of the Holy Ghost that is in store for them (Acts 2:38-39).

If having the Holy Ghost means salvation; and it does (Romans 8:9), then baptism in Jesus' Name is a way of procuring salvation.

Another way is to receive Jesus into your heart (John 1:12). Since the Holy Ghost is the Spirit of Jesus, it follows that if I receive Jesus, I am receiving the Holy Ghost.

But if baptism is likened unto circumcision, then there is condemnation over being baptized in Jesus' Name.

So, I am condemned when I procure the promise of the Holy Ghost through fulfilling the condition of the promise found in Acts 2:38?

It does not logically follow.

In your understanding, a person will be condemned for receiving the Holy Ghost.

It follows that however you receive the Holy Ghost, it is unto condemnation, if your thesis has any kind of merit at all.

the jews had their circumcision pushers.

The gentiles have their baptism pushers.

Satan won great victories using these two great symbols of Gods power to add to the gospel of salvation and make it a false gospel of works.

True, and just sad. I had a 90 year old Christian come to see me at our office (now closed for good) just to harangue me about baptisimal regeneration. No sign of life, no love for the Lord, no love for the brethren, just looking for an argument. I was happy to agree to disagree, but he went off in a huff.

Acts 2 does not say what you think you need to study it more..

Its like they are all the same..

They can;t see how much the resemble the religious in Jesus day in message and the way they act.

its sad

And that you ought to consider this as a claim. For if it is a true claim, then rejecting the doctrine of the kjv would be tantamount to rejecting the testimony of the Holy Ghost concerning salvation.

No one is saved by a work of righteousness (titus 3) , Which is what water baptism is.

Are you KJV only?

I know what the argument is (that it is baptism because of the remission of sins and not for them) but reject it.

I believe that the kjv is inspired and inerrant as concerning doctrine.

And it is your prerogative to reject this as a premise; however, I would say I believe that the premise in itself is an aspect of the narrow way that leads to life (Matthew 7:13-14).

And that you ought to consider this as a claim. For if it is a true claim, then rejecting the doctrine of the kjv would be tantamount to rejecting the testimony of the Holy Ghost concerning salvation.

And if a person does that, how shall he be saved?

I consider myself to be kjv-superior.

I consider that the NLT is good as an easy-to-read translation, and that one can gain added insight into the meaning of the word by reading it.

It is normally the religious who have the tendency to judge other people as being religious.

No, baptism is not a work; just like confessing Jesus with your mouth is not a work.

Nope this is not my argument, You do not know anything

so since you think the KJV is innerant and perfect.

You will risk going to hell and not check into the greek to see what is actually spoken of.

This is the danger of cult mentality

Water baptism is a work of righteousness.

If it is done to earn salvation. It is self righteousness and will be rejected by God

You will risk going to hell and not check into the greek to see what is actually spoken of.

By all means declare unto us your argument then.



It is a cult mentality to trust the amateur Greek and Hebrew scholar to tell a man what the scriptures REALLY MEAN.

I believe that God gave His unadulterated message to the common people; who receive Jesus gladly; in their own language.

While the "educated" scribe and Pharisees (Greek and Hebrew scholars) are mor inclined to reject Him.



Nope. it is a condition for a promise to receive remission of sins and the promise of the Holy Ghost. it is not done to earn salvation, there is no work involved in going underneath the water. The person doing so is completely passive. They merely surrender to God's method of bringing them the Holy Ghost.

How does the original greek show that the person receiving baptism in Jesus' Name will go to hell because of it?

This should be good.

(eating popcorn).

So a person is not saved by being baptised?

By all means declare unto us your argument then.



It is a cult mentality to trust the amateur Greek and Hebrew scholar to tell a man what the scriptures REALLY MEAN.

I believe that God gave His unadulterated message to the common people; who receive Jesus gladly; in their own language.

While the "educated" scribe and Pharisees (Greek and Hebrew scholars) are mor inclined to reject Him.



Nope. it is a condition for a promise to receive remission of sins and the promise of the Holy Ghost. it is not done to earn salvation, there is no work involved in going underneath the water. The person doing so is completely passive. They merely surrender to God's method of bringing them the Holy Ghost.