Is this saying there are two Millennium Reigns making the end of this reality soon?
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19 is parallel to 20, satan is bound to where he can’t control the nations. ..but he can still do evil.
It says satan is tossed "where" the false prophet and antichrist are ...not when.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
also:
“Thrones” are always in Heaven.
If you have lots of time on your hands ..check this out:
It says satan is tossed "where" the false prophet and antichrist are ...not when.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
also:
“Thrones” are always in Heaven.
If you have lots of time on your hands ..check this out:
No, he can't. He is imprisoned and cannot do anything.
Wrong, he is cast into lake of fire after his army is killed outside of Jerusalem.
Dan_7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Wrong, he is cast into lake of fire after his army is killed outside of Jerusalem.
Also wrong.Dan_7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Yes the last days concerning the Jews, for we will long be gone to our eternal home in glory. So you ask, `Why isn`t it about now?` Well if you look at these verses then it becomes plain.
`They (nations) shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; Nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.` (Micah 4: 3)
After the great earthquake, (Rev. 16: 18 & 19) all the cities of the earth fell. Just imagine what that means, let alone all the water pollution and dead bodies bringing disease; there will be no civilization infrastructure.Those left after the tribulation will have to learn to live from the land. Not an easy time to start with.
`They (nations) shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; Nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.` (Micah 4: 3)
After the great earthquake, (Rev. 16: 18 & 19) all the cities of the earth fell. Just imagine what that means, let alone all the water pollution and dead bodies bringing disease; there will be no civilization infrastructure.Those left after the tribulation will have to learn to live from the land. Not an easy time to start with.
`Cometh the end,` means a setting out to a conclusion, a goal. And that takes time. The Lord comes delivers Israel and judges the rebellious. The sheep nations (who looked after the Jews) go into the millennium. At the end of that thousand years, then those who rebel will be devoured by fire from heaven. Then death is done away with, the great White Throne and then the new heavens and new earth.
God has specific purposes for each part. Note always with His hand of mercy out to those who turn to Him.
God has specific purposes for each part. Note always with His hand of mercy out to those who turn to Him.
The `falling away,` refers to now, people aligning to man`s government and not `holding fast to the head.` (Col. 2: 19) And `Laodicean Church, lao - laity, people, dike - justice. People want their justice through man`s system.
Satan will be cast to the earth during the trib, meaning his authority is lessened, and when the Lord returns to bring judgment upon the world`s system Satan will be further bound. Then after a thousand years he is loosed and people will have the opportunity to choose God or Satan. Then Satan will be cast into the Lake of fire forever.
Satan will be cast to the earth during the trib, meaning his authority is lessened, and when the Lord returns to bring judgment upon the world`s system Satan will be further bound. Then after a thousand years he is loosed and people will have the opportunity to choose God or Satan. Then Satan will be cast into the Lake of fire forever.
That's not what bible says:
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
What God uses to control satan:
1. Bound with a great chain.
2. cast into a bottomless pit.
3. Shut him up in that pit. Likely a reference to the lock the key goes to that the angel has.
4. A seal is also used on him.
Satan is much more than just "bound". The gospel is not mentioned one time regarding this binding and imprisonment.
Satan is bound by a chain which means to have it wrapped around him preventing arm and leg movement ie: incapable of moving. Whether the chain is spiritual or literal doesn't change what it's purpose and it's result. It's is irrelevant whether it's made of steel, gold, plasma or kryptonite.
He is also cast into a bottomless pit which is where the Genesis fallen angels are also kept. Satan is "shut up" in this pit which is a prison for angelic beings. He is also "sealed". So there are three things that bind and imprison Satan both physically and spiritually. Satan cannot leave the pit or influence anything outside of the pit nor in the pit. He is completely and utterly incapacitated. Any doctrine that teaches anything otherwise is changing what the scriptures present. When this happens, the world will be without Satan's deceptions and lies for the first time in history. This is the perfect time for the gospel to finally reach those who normally would be deceived and incapable of hearing or accepting the gospel. In addition these same people will be under the shepherding rule of Jesus and his resurrected priests and kings who are Christian saints, many having been murdered in the great tribulation. None of this has yet happened.
Any doctrine that teaches Satan will have any amount of influence and mobility and power outside of the pit, and can deceive anyone during the thousand years is teaching things that scripture does not teach and in fact contradicts what scripture does teach about Satan and that time period.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
1Thess 2:18 Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.
Further proof that Satan is not imprisoned but is free and has hindered even people as important as Paul. This supports Premill as the correct doctrine in regard to Satan not being bound and imprisoned in the pit at the cross or resurrection.
Amil: Satan is like a dog on a long chain that is able to move around his own territory, doing what he wants and deceiving people but is "limited" by the gospel.
Premil: Satan is bound by a chain (most likely this means to have the chain wrapped around him so he is disabled mobility wise) and then cast into a pit, and then a seal placed on the pit. A key is needed to open it, so it is also locked with that same key. This means Satan cannot deceive anyone in the slightest, this means complete control over Satan, and this means Satan cannot get out of the pit nor influence anyone else at all. Premill is the only doctrine that matches the language in Rev 20.
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
What God uses to control satan:
1. Bound with a great chain.
2. cast into a bottomless pit.
3. Shut him up in that pit. Likely a reference to the lock the key goes to that the angel has.
4. A seal is also used on him.
Satan is much more than just "bound". The gospel is not mentioned one time regarding this binding and imprisonment.
Satan is bound by a chain which means to have it wrapped around him preventing arm and leg movement ie: incapable of moving. Whether the chain is spiritual or literal doesn't change what it's purpose and it's result. It's is irrelevant whether it's made of steel, gold, plasma or kryptonite.
He is also cast into a bottomless pit which is where the Genesis fallen angels are also kept. Satan is "shut up" in this pit which is a prison for angelic beings. He is also "sealed". So there are three things that bind and imprison Satan both physically and spiritually. Satan cannot leave the pit or influence anything outside of the pit nor in the pit. He is completely and utterly incapacitated. Any doctrine that teaches anything otherwise is changing what the scriptures present. When this happens, the world will be without Satan's deceptions and lies for the first time in history. This is the perfect time for the gospel to finally reach those who normally would be deceived and incapable of hearing or accepting the gospel. In addition these same people will be under the shepherding rule of Jesus and his resurrected priests and kings who are Christian saints, many having been murdered in the great tribulation. None of this has yet happened.
Any doctrine that teaches Satan will have any amount of influence and mobility and power outside of the pit, and can deceive anyone during the thousand years is teaching things that scripture does not teach and in fact contradicts what scripture does teach about Satan and that time period.
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
1Thess 2:18 Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us.
Further proof that Satan is not imprisoned but is free and has hindered even people as important as Paul. This supports Premill as the correct doctrine in regard to Satan not being bound and imprisoned in the pit at the cross or resurrection.
Amil: Satan is like a dog on a long chain that is able to move around his own territory, doing what he wants and deceiving people but is "limited" by the gospel.
Premil: Satan is bound by a chain (most likely this means to have the chain wrapped around him so he is disabled mobility wise) and then cast into a pit, and then a seal placed on the pit. A key is needed to open it, so it is also locked with that same key. This means Satan cannot deceive anyone in the slightest, this means complete control over Satan, and this means Satan cannot get out of the pit nor influence anyone else at all. Premill is the only doctrine that matches the language in Rev 20.
Of course not. Falling away is Apostasy and that happens in the great tribulation when people fall away from Christ to anti or false Christ. Revelation 20 does not show satan attacking the great chain he was bound by when he was released. The chain isn't the gospel and satan does not attack it. He goes to people to deceive them and has them try to attack Jerusalem because that is where Christ and his immortal saints are.
We get you are Amill yet that isn't a biblical doctrine. I have already proven death still exists past second coming. I can disprove anything Amill related.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
See, death still exists past the second coming. Death is not defeated until everyone is judged to the second death in the second mass bodily resurrection at GWTJ.
Thank you pittsburghjoe,
I did so appreciate listening to the various views from those godly men. Well moderated and well discussed.
The one point I noted was that each related scripture just in terms of `us,` the Body of Christ. While scripture has Christ as the center, His character, His work and His purposes. That is why I heard they all had one problem with their own view, thus making it not fully correct, I believe.
As to `thrones` only in heaven, I see that the seat of all power and authority is in the highest heaven, far above all. (Eph. 1: 21 & 22) However Christ has thrones, / authority in all realms. eg. Christ`s throne/authority is in the New Jerusalem which comes down out of heaven from God. (Rev. 21: 2, & 22: 1) It is delegated authority as it is on the new earth for there are kings(thrones/authority) there. (Rev. 21: 24)
I did so appreciate listening to the various views from those godly men. Well moderated and well discussed.
The one point I noted was that each related scripture just in terms of `us,` the Body of Christ. While scripture has Christ as the center, His character, His work and His purposes. That is why I heard they all had one problem with their own view, thus making it not fully correct, I believe.
As to `thrones` only in heaven, I see that the seat of all power and authority is in the highest heaven, far above all. (Eph. 1: 21 & 22) However Christ has thrones, / authority in all realms. eg. Christ`s throne/authority is in the New Jerusalem which comes down out of heaven from God. (Rev. 21: 2, & 22: 1) It is delegated authority as it is on the new earth for there are kings(thrones/authority) there. (Rev. 21: 24)
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Could false image/knowledge be what the false prophet is?
Revelation 13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Was that fatal wound to satan's plan?
JESUS Caused that Fatal Wound with The Gospel!!!
for it to heal is to mean the Millennium is up at that point.
Revelation 13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Was that fatal wound to satan's plan?
JESUS Caused that Fatal Wound with The Gospel!!!
for it to heal is to mean the Millennium is up at that point.