Is this saying there are two Millennium Reigns making the end of this reality soon?

[ewq1938]

Could false image/knowledge be what the false prophet is?

No. false prophet a person. Why are you trying to change pretty much everything in Rev?

Revelation 13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Was that fatal wound to satan's plan?

JESUS Caused that Fatal Wound with The Gospel!!!

No, he didn't. The wound wouldn't heal if Jesus inflicted it. good is it to wound but then it heals? That would be a failure. A sword symbolically means war so one of heads/mountains (areas of raised up land) lost a war in their territory.

for it to heal is to mean the Millennium is up at that point.

lol, no. It has nothing to do with the Millennium. That doesn't even begin until the second coming is finished. People have to be beheaded during great tribulation before the Millennium ever begins:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

This proves an order of events:

1. The war against Christians has to begin, Rev 12.
2. Christians are beheaded in the war which is great trib, Rev 13.
3. They will live and reign with Jesus for a 1000 years, Rev 20.

Only then does the Millennium BEGIN.

You have it ending before saints are beheaded but it doesn't even start until those dead saints are resurrected.

 

[pottersclay]

the fallen angels had direct evidence of GOD ...humans will not be in the same scenario.

Says you.
Those who survived the great tribulation must have there faith tested also.
This is why Satan is loosed once more.
If the angels who had direct insight believed the lie of satan how much more then is that lie to mortal man?
I see what you are saying and my response would be the same..( how foolish are these people).
The angles even had one up on us as they were in heaven and not on the earth. Direct access to the throne yet believe the lie.
Those that survive the tribulation are not sealed yet for their faith has not been tested.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

We always wonder what caused the wound on the beast ...i think it was The Gospel.

JESUS bound satan with an Angel to prevent the beast from stopping the spread of The Gospel to the nations. That ends when the Millennium Reign is over. the wound will be healed.

the abomination of desolation could be satan's kingdom/plan attacking those with The Reborn Holy Image inside their Temple.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

there is an antichrist …but he doesn’t have to physically die …the beast is satan’s plan for those that choose to eat from the tree of knowledge. the plan will be to attack The Gospel because that is what he has been prevented from doing.

the attack at the end of the Millennium Reign is the same attack as the antichrist.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

We say "Son of the Living GOD", so why are we expecting the martyrs to be physically living during the Millennium Reign? Matthew 16:16

Matthew 16:15-16

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Does the 1000 years of the Millennium Reign just mean all the years between The Resurrection and The End if we look at Psalm 50:10?
"For every beast of the forest is Mine [says God], And the cattle on a thousand hills."

 

[ewq1938]

Does the 1000 years of the Millennium Reign just mean all the years between The Resurrection and The End if we look at Psalm 50:10?

No. That clearly is unrelated to Millennium.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

is the "pre-millennium reign" going to be part of satan's deception when he tries to replicate The Return of CHRIST? he is going to need a reason why everyone isn't Judged yet.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

you are not getting what satan has planned to trick everyone on the planet as soon as the first seal is loosed.

this is what satan is going to try to replicate:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:


2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Greek (fhos)[[fire]]

seeing is believing for an atheist ...they have no chance of passing this test.

 

[Roar]

Could the martyrs Reign with CHRIST for a thousand years ...and then Reborn Priests Reign with CHRIST for the next thousand years? ...why does it bring up the thousand years twice? …it would mean the end is almost here.

Revelation 20:4-6
Amplified Bible, Classic Edition

4 Then I saw thrones, and sitting on them were those to whom authority to act as judges and to pass sentence was entrusted. Also I saw the souls of those who had been slain with axes [beheaded] for their witnessing to Jesus and [for preaching and testifying] for the Word of God, and who had refused to pay homage to the beast or his statue and had not accepted his mark or permitted it to be stamped on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived again and ruled with Christ (the Messiah) a thousand years.
5 The remainder of the dead were not restored to life again until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed (happy, [a]to be envied) and holy (spiritually whole, of unimpaired innocence and proved virtue) is the person who takes part (shares) in the first resurrection! Over them the second death exerts no power or authority, but they shall be ministers of God and of Christ (the Messiah), and they shall rule along with Him a thousand years.

1. Revelation 20 speaks of Jesus and the saints ruling upon the earth with Jesus for a 1000 years before the New Earth and New Jerusalem comes as stated later in Revelation 21.

2,Revelation 20 speaks about Satan being bound in the botomless pit for the 1000 years Jesus is ruling over those who survived the Tribulation for that 1000 years so that they hear God's Word literally from the Word of God, Jesus Chrsit teaching from the throne of David, in Jerusalem during that 1000 year reign on earth.

3, Then in Revaltion 7-15 records what will happen

Revelation 20:7
New King James Version

7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison

Read the rest of verses Revelation 20: 7-15 for yourselves to learn the Truth.

 

[Adstar]

but that happens right now with prosperity sermons.

Well i agree, deceptions come in many forms..

But in the one i am discussing here satan will go out and gather the nations to bring them to attack Jerusalem at the end of the 1000 years and they will be destroyed by God raining fire down fupon them..

Revelation 20:
7 "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."

Note at this time the Saints will be living around Jerusalem at this time.. Satan will be released out of His prison ( the bottomless pit ) where he was cast into 1000 years earlier when Jesus returned..

Revelation 20:
1 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. {2} And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, {3} And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

 

[Adstar]

Resurrection of the saints? Please explain.

When the second coming of Jesus happens. The living Saints will be caught up to meet Him in the air and the dead Saints will be resurrected and likewise shall be gathered to Jesus as He comes down to defeat the army of the beast at the battle of Armageddon.. Then the Saints shall rule the nations with Jesus for 1000 years.. After the 1000 years then there will be a second resurrection where the final judgement will happen.. If you read the Bible chapters 19 and 20 in the book of Revelation you will discover the chronological order of events..

What will happen after the battle of Armageddon::

Revelation 20:
4"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. {5} But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. {6} Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

 

[Absolutely]

Priest-kings are right now. You are not getting how ridiculous a Reign with direct proof is.
If there are two 1000 years periods ...it means the mark of the beast already happened in the first one.

i'm not saying to go out and get the vaccine, but the mark became following satan's plan instead of GOD'S Plan of LIFE.

I have yet to see you demonstrate 2 mils

 

[Absolutely]

Are Christians just as bad as Jews by expecting a physical (Millennium) Reign?

Not a valid question or dynamic.

 

[Absolutely]

we get it ...you are pre-millennial. neverminded how ridiculous unbelievers are after death is done.

That only leaves post and amil.

Which are you?

 

[Absolutely]

Says you.
Those who survived the great tribulation must have there faith tested also.
This is why Satan is loosed once more.
If the angels who had direct insight believed the lie of satan how much more then is that lie to mortal man?
I see what you are saying and my response would be the same..( how foolish are these people).
The angles even had one up on us as they were in heaven and not on the earth. Direct access to the throne yet believe the lie.
Those that survive the tribulation are not sealed yet for their faith has not been tested.

The gt is ;
1) time of gentiles fulfilled
2) jacobs trouble. God turns toward gathering his covenant wayward wife....climaxing in rev 14 where the messianic first fruits are harvested then maun harvest with Jesus sitting in a cloud gathering his Jewsish remnant.

The rapture is the gentile bride and cannot be postrib.

Because the Jews come in last.

The first miracle of Jesus was at a wedding. First equals last.
The wedding had a declaration.

" you saved the best for last."

The Jew is harvested last.

It is pattern. That pattern is heavens obcession. The 2 brides.

 

[pottersclay]

The gt is ;
1) time of gentiles fulfilled
2) jacobs trouble. God turns toward gathering his covenant wayward wife....climaxing in rev 14 where the messianic first fruits are harvested then maun harvest with Jesus sitting in a cloud gathering his Jewsish remnant.

The rapture is the gentile bride and cannot be postrib.

Because the Jews come in last.

The first miracle of Jesus was at a wedding. First equals last.
The wedding had a declaration.

" you saved the best for last."

The Jew is harvested last.

It is pattern. That pattern is heavens obcession. The 2 brides.

The jews are not harvested but restored. God has already established that he is the husband of Israel in the old testament. The story of abraham was for the father to seek out a bride for the son.
The story of the prophet to marry the prostitute is a picture of God and israel's relationship.
( Sorry have to wake up to give scripture ref)

 

[peldom10]

When the second coming of Jesus happens. The living Saints will be caught up to meet Him in the air and the dead Saints will be resurrected and likewise shall be gathered to Jesus as He comes down to defeat the army of the beast at the battle of Armageddon.. Then the Saints shall rule the nations with Jesus for 1000 years.. After the 1000 years then there will be a second resurrection where the final judgement will happen.. If you read the Bible chapters 19 and 20 in the book of Revelation you will discover the chronological order of events..

What will happen after the battle of Armageddon::

Revelation 20:
4"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. {5} But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. {6} Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

Thank you...I am well aware...your reference earlier raised questions.

Caught up.....is captured in man's reference when using rapture,

Good summation.

 

[Absolutely]

The jews are not harvested but restored. God has already established that he is the husband of Israel in the old testament. The story of abraham was for the father to seek out a bride for the son.
The story of the prophet to marry the prostitute is a picture of God and israel's relationship.
( Sorry have to wake up to give scripture ref)

the 144 k are firstfruits.
Firstfruit jews.

To say that has nothing to do with harvest is not biblical.

They are in heaven at the start of rev 14. They are there harvested as firstfruits.
That is what firstfruits are.
Harvested first.
We can vividly see see the main harvest a few sentences later with Jesus sitting on a cloud holding A SICKLE.
That is main body of Jews harvested that became born again.
....in the gt.
Jacobs trouble

The gt is jacobs/Israels trouble.

The time of the gentiles completed....then Jacobs trouble

 

[Absolutely]

When the second coming of Jesus happens. The living Saints will be caught up to meet Him in the air and the dead Saints will be resurrected and likewise shall be gathered to Jesus as He comes down to defeat the army of the beast at the battle of Armageddon.. Then the Saints shall rule the nations with Jesus for 1000 years.. After the 1000 years then there will be a second resurrection where the final judgement will happen.. If you read the Bible chapters 19 and 20 in the book of Revelation you will discover the chronological order of events..

What will happen after the battle of Armageddon::

Revelation 20:
4"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. {5} But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. {6} Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

That is easily debunked.

The bride is in heaven in rev 19.
It says the bride became the wife in heaven.
We see vividly the saints returning with Jesus as the consumated wife from heaven.

Apart from that there is a gathering of messianic Jews in rev 14 DURING the gt .
That means your template has the dead in Christ gathered AFTER the jews in rev 14.

Then we see Jesus place the rapture before the flood and before sodom destroyed.

Vividly framing the pretrib rapture.

Jesus said BEFORE THE FLOOD one taken/one left behind.
Then said watch and be ready

Then in acts 1 Jesus shall return in "LIKE MANNER"

If you leave those verses on the table, honestly reconciling them, it is hands down a pretrib rapture.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Do you find it odd that The Two Witnesses are Called up to GOD after they are dead in the same fashion that a Rapture would happen?

i also find it curious that the Letters to the Churches has one Church with a promise of going into Tribulation (Church of Thyatira). if Thyatira is the rcc, then the pope could easily be the antichrist or false prophet with a covenant.

none of you are getting what satan is going to try and pull off when the first seal is loosed. Real Christians know GOD isn't going to be offering a second chance covenant when He Returns. Premillennialism gives him an excuse as to why there can be a "covenant".