How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

TheDivineWatermark said:
Well, I see in my post you had quoted, that for the most part, I left the scripture references for the student to look them up in the Greek themselves... if they so choose.

I am not your student.

The Bible reveals a Pre-Tribulation Rapture ever since Enoch was translated before the Flood. The only false doctrine is (a) claiming that there is no Pre-Tribulation Rapture and (b) making Christ a liar.

Nehemiah 6, in that chapter after listing those of the faith (Enoch in the list of those of faith in Hebrews 11:5) says:

"All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth."--1 Corinthians 16:19

I can see how people misunderstand this Scripture, but Scripture never contradicts itself. Again, we must look at the surrounding verses and the whole of scripture. Jesus said plainly, "--John 3:13

how he was 'translated' i don't know, but it says clearly he died in Hebrews. i can only assume it means just as God gives the breath of life, God took it away, so he did not die a natural death. I don't see this happening to anyone else in Scripture. People will say Elijah, but several years later he is alive because he writes a letter to King Jehoram--so the Chariots did not take him to heaven. The heaven must have meant the upper atmosphere in this case.
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"A few years into Jehoram's reign, and several years after Elijah's removal, Jehoram received a letter from Elijah warning the king of dire consequences because of his sins. This letter is recorded in 2 Chronicles 21:12-15.
This letter proves that the prophet was still alive and on earth some years after he was removed by the whirlwind and replaced by Elisha. God had chosen Elisha to succeed Elijah as His prophet, so He bodily removed Elijah to another place, where he continued to live for at least several more years—as his letter to Jehoram demonstrates."

https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-too...he-bible-really-teach/did-elijah-go-to-heaven

Interesting points Laura,
I would add to those observations that in Acts 8:39-40 after the baptisim of the Ethiopian, Philip was taken by The Holy Spirt. The Greek word used in verse 39 is harpazo. The famous word of action we have replaced in pop-Christianity with "rapture" But Philip was taken to another place on earth.

Acts 8 (NIV)
39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.

It says they ALL DIED. Again Jesus said "NO ONE HAS ASCENDED TO HEAVEN, EXCEPT THE SON OF MAN. " NO ONE MEANS NO ONE.

@Laura798 's Post #2089 (my apologies, I'm slow at getting to each of these posts / points), where you'd said:



I dunno about that... it seems like earlier in this thread there was a member who had started out by saying he was undecided but was studying it... and just days later he said he'd come to understand the "pre-trib" perspective to be what scripture itself presents.



[I can't say what he sees/understands SINCE that time... he hasn't posted any further, that I am aware of anyway]




P.S. I do think there are many more who "READ" than COMMENT. = )

You are taking this TOO FAR because the Day and Hour IS NOT a Season. Jesus told us we can know the Season and should know the Season in Matt. 24:32-35. The Day and hour is a reference to the Feast of Trumps (think LAST TRUMP) which always ended THE SUMMER HARVEST (Think Chuch Age). So, Jesus fulfilled the three Spring Feasts of Passover, Unleavened Bread (No Sin), and First-fruits (firstfruits of the Grave). We are now in the Summer Harvest or Feast of Weeks/Pentecost (Church Age).

The Feast of Trumps ALWAYS ended the Summer Harvest and started the New Year, but the Jews couldn't blow the Trumps to end the Harvest until the New Moon Appeared, and it always appeared over a 2 day period of time, thus they had to sen out Two-witnesses who would send back the information as soon as the saw the New Moon, and immediately the Trumps started blowing, they would blow 11 times in 9 batches which = 99, then the LAST TRUMP would sound LONGER & LOUDER than all the others before it, and this LAST TRUMP ended the Summer Harvest (think Church Age). This is why Jesus stated we capt know the DAY nor the HOUR, only the Father knows the exact time He is going to send Jesus back, bit just like the Jews knew THE SEASON was at hand, thus it was either one of only 2 days, so they knew they SEASON was at hand, but they did not know the EXACT Day nor Hour that the Harvest would end on. But, we can know THE SEASON. And the SEASON is now at hand, just like the Jews knew to go out and look for the New Moon, we now to look for the New Beginning under Jesus NOW.

The whole he knows not the DAY nor HOUR is way overblown, information. I am looking for THE SEASON, not the EXACT Day nor Hour. We are now in TAT SEASON. I know, its wat I do/

I'm sorry you are so bound up in this thing that you elevate it to the level of scripture.
Pretribulation rapture is not scripture. You have simply learned the doctrine well & learned where to disassemble scripture
to reconstruct it around the doctrine- with the doctrine as the central focus.

It's a peripheral belief, an idea. Not a central component of our Christian faith. It is not worthy of even being doctrine.
It is not Jesus teaching. While you are on the soapbox please refrain from accusing Christians of calling Chirst a liar.
We are believers. We believe him. Teachers with the new, extra-biblical doctrine of pretribulation rapture we do not believe.

The angrier & more overbearing you become is evidence against pretribulation rapture.

Interesting points Laura,
I would add to those observations that in Acts 8:39-40 after the baptisim of the Ethiopian, Philip was taken by The Holy Spirt. The Greek word used in verse 39 is harpazo. The famous word of action we have replaced in pop-Christianity with "rapture" But Philip was taken to another place on earth.

Acts 8 (NIV)
39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.

Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work. 35Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest! 36And he who reaps receives wages, and gathers fruit for eternal life, that both he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together. 37For in this the saying is true: ‘One sows and another reaps.’ 38I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored, and you have entered into their labors.”

If you want to believe the word of God - then believe what is written = 2 Thess 2 , Daniel 7 , Matt24 , Revelation

Nothing will override what is written - especially not the words of men.

Greetings, sibs

Have you ever wondered why you were born in this generation? ….the last generation? ….the generation when our Father expects His children who are called by HiS name to stand up for Him when it counts the very most?—To give testimony by the power of the Holy Spirit Who will speak through us whereby the whole world will hear the Truth of God’s Word? It is God’s people (anybody know who the bruisers mentioned in the Bible are?) who will stand up at the very end for our Father. We won’t be looking for an easy way out, either. This is our destiny—to stand and endure until our Savior returns at the 7th Trump.

Luke 21:12-19

12 But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s sake. 13 But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. 14 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 17 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. 18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 19 By your patience possess your souls.

I just want to delve a tad on who these bruisers are. (please earnestly consider)

Daniel 11:30

30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

Smith's Bible Dictionary
Chittim, Kittim:
(bruisers) a family or race descended from Javan (Genesis 10:4; 1 Chronicles 1:7). Authorized Version KITTIM. Chittim is frequently noticed in Scripture (Numbers 24:24; Isaiah 23:1; 23:12; Jeremiah 2:10; Ezekiel 27:6; Daniel 11:30).

Amen! It’s important for us in these end times to have enough knowledge to “have intelligence” with those who oppose Christ, enough knowledge to put the enemy in confusion and allow the seeds of Truth to sink into the good soil.

His handle is eternally-gratefull

Nehemiah 6, in that chapter after listing those of the faith (Enoch in the list of those of faith in Hebrews 11:5) says:
"All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth."--1 Corinthians 16:19

I can see how people misunderstand this Scripture, but Scripture never contradicts itself. Again, we must look at the surrounding verses and the whole of scripture. Jesus said plainly, "--John 3:13
how he was 'translated' i don't know, but it says clearly he died in Hebrews.

Interesting points Laura,
I would add to those observations that in Acts 8:39-40 after the baptisim of the Ethiopian, Philip was taken by The Holy Spirt. The Greek word used in verse 39 is harpazo. The famous word of action we have replaced in pop-Christianity with "rapture" But Philip was taken to another place on earth.

Acts 8 (NIV)
39 When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing. 40 Philip, however, appeared at Azotus and traveled about, preaching the gospel in all the towns until he reached Caesarea.

Don't forget
4. Amillennialism, which is the biblical view. Rapture is never mentioned in the Bible. Amillennials know there is no rapture. The word itself was a Mistransliteration by Jerome, in the 4th century AD. He was translating Koine Greek into Latin, but did not know Greek well. He went from harpazo in Greek to rapture in Latin.

I'm a partial preterist. I believe that when Titus razed Jerusalem in 70 AD, the temple caught fire and burned to the ground, and thousands starved to death or died by the sword, etc. That was the tribulation. That was what Jesus warned his disciples about. I believe full preterism is a heresy, because the Second Coming of Jesus has not occurred