Our new relationship to the law.

You need to change your name from justbyfaith to faithandworks my friend. Your name is misleading.

The law is dead to believers. Who are not under law but under grace.

If you count yourself to be a sinner, then the law is for you according to the scripture in question.

Nope

I have the righteousness of Christ in me

The law is for the sinner.

The law can not teach me anymore. I look to the law of love. For only in it will I f=grow in righteousness and grace. There is only death and cursing in the law of moses. Thats why it is called the minister of death

Again, you need to change your name my friend.

Is God more interested in us keeping the law or more interested in us as his kids?
What is more important to him?
Us or the law?

These may seem weird questions to ask but where is the relationship?
Is it with the law or God?

We know God and David had a relationship, afterall he was a man after Gods heart.
God said that, yet we know that under the law David should have been put to death.

To me God is more interested in us as his kids.
He knows our weaknesses, he knows we cannot do it without him, he knows we cannot be saved without the sacrifice that Jesus paid for us.
David comes to mind as well to for the above paragraph.

Yet he knows we are broken, hurting people who struggle to do good and obey him.

But surely this is good?
Yes of course it is but there is a but.

That but is that we need to realise that we are weak, we need help and to be totally honest with him and know that he gets us and is willing to help us in our weaknesses.

As David said

Psalms 51:16-17
16 For You do not desire sacrifice, or else I would give it;
You do not delight in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit,
A broken and a contrite heart—
These, O God, You will not despise.

That is the relationship God wants.

He is a loving Father who just wants relationship and it his him and him only who works in us to be like him.

That then is our relationship to the royal law.

No; because my preaching, if you understand it, teaches that we are justified by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9).

If, in my preaching, I do not neglect what Paul said in the very next verse (Ephesians 2:10), does that mean that I am denying what is written in the verses in question?

I think not.

As concerning condemnation, that is true.

As concerning obedience, not so true (1 Corinthians 9:21, Hebrews 8:8-10, Hebrews 10:16, Romans 8:7, Romans 8:4, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 13:8-10; Romans 5:5; 1 John 2:3-6)

So, you are not a sinner?

Because according to 1 Timothy 1:9 the law applies to the sinner; so if you are saying that the law doesn't apply to you, I think you must be saying to me that you are not a sinner.

But even for the believer, we are told that if we look into the perfect law of liberty and continue therein, we will be blessed in what we do (James 1:25).

So, the law applies to us (1 Corinthians 9:21); not any more as a condemning taskmaster; but now as a set of wisdom principles by which we can live and find blessing in obedience to it.

I think that Philemon 1:6 is the verse that we ought to look at concerning this question.

If we are obedient to the law, we will be more of a positive witness than if we aren't obedient to it.

We are not justified by our obedience; while if we are justified, we will be obedient as a matter of course (1 John 3:4,9).

So you believe once a child has true living faith they have eternal life. And that eternal life can not be lost?

Because that is nt what I hear you preacH

The law requires perfection. Moses demanded it, Paul re-iterated it.

If you keep all of the law. Yet stumble in even one point your guilty. (James)

How can you be deemed a law keeper. When by the laws own standard your a law breaker.

I never said that. But I am not seen as a sinner. Christ sees me as his son.

Like I said. Unless your perfect. You have failed to keep the law

The law proves we are a sinner so we can find christ. Because until we admit that fact. We have not repented.

Once we repent. The law shows us what Christ did, the atonment sacrifice.

Once I have been shown and repent and agree. The schoolmaster has led me to christ.

Once i make the decision to call on the name of Jesus the law has done its intended act.

I do not need to be told I am a sinner by the law. I already KNOW I AM A SINNER.

Thats why I look to christ. Not to the law.

The law can not help me anymore.

Yes.

Of course, if we fail to continue in His goodness, we will be cut off.

But being sealed by the Holy Spirit guarantees that we will continue in His goodness.

Then you misunderstand my preaching.



Yes, of course. No one can keep the letter of the law (Galatians 6:13).

However, as concerning the spirit of what is written (Romans 7:6), the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:4). And we are not obligated to walk according to the flesh (Romans 8:12 (NLT)).

So, you do not identify yourself as a sinner, got it.

I would only say that if you continue to be a committer of sins, that if you have a relationship with the Holy Spirit, He utilizes the law to pinpoint your sinful behaviour (Romans 3:20) so that you can confess it and be cleansed from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:7-9).



Of course I have failed to keep the law even if I am perfect (1 John 1:10, Hebrews 10:14 (kjv)).



What does it mean to repent (see Matthew 1:21, Titus 2:14)?



That is actually shown to us in the gospel.



The schoolmaster leads men to Christ by showing them that they are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20).



If anyone truly calls on the name of Jesus, they confess Him as Lord. But if He is not their Lord when they mouth the words, it is not a true confession. They are not agreeing with God becuase God isn't saying it; because it isn't true.

Jesus said,

Luk 6:46, And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

I would also encourage you to consider Isaiah 9:6.

Because if Jesus is the Father, then obedience to Him is obedience to the Old Testament law.



But you know that because the law revealed that to you (Romans 3:20).

The next step is to truly repent and be set free from the practice of sinning (Matthew 1:21, Titus 2:14).



If anyone turns his ear away from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be an abomination (Proverbs 28:9).



The Holy Spirit utilizes the law to pinpoint your sin so that you can confess it and thereby be cleansed from all unrighteousness (1 John 1:7-9, Proverbs 6:23). This is a part of the process of sanctification in the life of the believer.

When you walk trying to obey the law. Your walking in the flesh. Not in the spirit

Your trying to take people to the law. Which is the minister of death

You should worry about God and others. And who you can serve. If you do this, you do not need the law. Because when you practice those things, your not breaking commands.

Then you believe we must work to not fail to continue.

Hence you believe we must maintain or earn our salvation.

Then how can we be cut off??

No; for continuing in God's goodness does not necessarily have anything to do with works.

It has to do with retaining the love of God by the Holy Spirit through faith.

Works may follow such a thing; but such a thing is not works in and of itself.

Also, the principle in question is found in Romans 11:20-22.



That is a major part of my point.

You can be cut off based on what you do or do not do

It is by works and not by grace.

No; you would be cut off based on whether or not you continue in His goodness.

Continuing in His goodness has to do with whether or not the love of God remains in your heart.

To not continue in His goodness would be to lose access to the love of God; and that is a matter of faith.

Of course, if you lose access to the love of God, you will also cease to walk in the works that have been foreordained for you to walk in, but that is only the outcropping of the fact that you have lost access to His love.

The root is the determining factor; while the fruit determines what is in the root when we stand before God in judgment.

Rolling with Paul? This is what he had to say: Galatians 2: …18If I rebuild what I have already torn down, I prove myself to be a lawbreaker. 19 For through the law I died to the law so that I might live to God. 20I have been crucified with Christ, and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.…

You should try reading Romans 8.

which is works,

Again you need to change your name


your trying to earn salvation by continuing in his goodness and not falling

thats by your power, it rejects gods power to keep,you

That law Paul is talking about is animal sacrificial law, not the Commandments (Royal laws). Let's look at verse 19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God, we have both laws in that verse. Let me show you what Paul saying...Now let's begin by taking a look at both of the laws and how they worked together. We will see there were two laws given to Moses, they were the commandments and the sacrificial law. Watch how they worked together.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2) The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures. It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance." Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose. Why? There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully. Let's find out what was to be done if a person committed a sin against the Lord unintentionally. Let's skip down to the 27th verse and take a look at the second law (which is the sacrificial law).

And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty; Or if his sin, which he hath sinned, come to his knowledge: then he shall bring his offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned. And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin offering, and slay the sin offering in the place of the burnt offering. And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. (Leviticus 4:27-30)

When the common people sinned through ignorance and it came to their knowledge, what did they have to do? They brought an offering, a kid of the goats, a female without blemish, for their sin which they had committed, then the priest would offer the animal to the Lord. Think about this for a moment. If an animal was killed for a person that committed sin, what will happen to us today if we a trespass against the Lord? We will find that out later. Now we see how the sacrificial law was used when a person broke a commandment unintentionally

So now when a person sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1John 1,2)

Paul explained this in; (Heb.10:1, 9-10,18,26-27) (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

Do you count murder and adultery as "keeping the law"???

The law has no mercy. Obviously he did not keep God's law. A man was killed for collecting firewood on the sabbath. How much more deserving of death was David!

Your rolling with Satan my friend. Not paul

Paul knew he could not keep the law. He knew it was a schoolmaster which led him to christ. He called himself the chief of all sinners.

Again. Good luck trying to earn your salvation by works my friend.

You must not read the NT. Where we are freed from the curse of the law. And freed to serve a better and living covenant.

Good luck keeping a law no one but Christ has ever kept.