Vaccination?

Frontline meds are better, and no jab. Afterwards, you have natural immunity which is superior.

Seeing as EG has been in this forum longer than anyone except me, (by 2 months!) I think he's earned the privilege of being here as long as he wants, let's look at you instead, newbie!

Jan 2021! A full 10 years less than EG give or take a couple of months. We've had some serious disagreements, and agreed on other things strongly, I know he can give & take, and I don't think I have ever seen him get into name calling or ad hominem attacks. So, no reason to chastise him, but do learn a bit better who we are, before attacking us, esp. EG.

I don't think he was offended at all. Certainly not terrified. Like me, I assume he could not see the reason for the ❌! I sure couldn't! He didn't say anything inflammatory. It was bland! But being a newbie, I guess you have no idea what forum decorum is! I do give out ❌ s, but only when I vehemently disagree. Unlike an ignored member who has been so nasty lately, I was forced to chastise her. She gives me a red X for every post. Except that loses the meaning and power of the dislike button. And it doesn't bother me at all! I'm a big girl, just as EG is a big boy. Sorry for stepping into this insult fest, but I will defend people who are getting slammed by a newbie!

Southwest is latest airline to mandate vaccines for workers

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/southwest-airline-mandate-vaccines-workers

The more anti-vaxers say this the more angry/hurt I get. There are 23.5 million of people with autoimmune diseases in the US, 5.7 million or 20% of Canadians. Thousands of others with organ transplants, who have to take drugs to suppress their immune systems, hundreds of thousands of cancer patients also have suppressed immune systems, that protect them from very little!

That is a large number of people who do not have good immune system. In my case, my immune system is extremely high, or strong, attacking my own body. The pain is unbearable, the deformities life destroying. I haven't walked more than a few feet in over 25 years, my feet are so damaged. Although I did do a lot of bicycling, until I got worse. In order to get me out of bed and dressing myself, I take drugs which suppress my immune system. No happy medium, although not being in pain is worth the risk of a compromised immune system. Cancer patients get huge doses of chemo drugs which totally kill their immune systems. If they go into remission, they recover to a certain extent, but are rarely normal. A cousin I have is dying of cancer right now, her treatment having failed. She takes large weekly doses of chemo to keep her alive. She wants to see her grandchildren.

So, instead of this broad sweep that we all have "strong" immune systems, ("strong" being absolutely the wrong term! My immune system is very "Strong!" So strong that it attacks itself.), let's dispel this myth right now!

Millions of people in Canada and the US do not have good, functioning immune systems. It goes right back to the Fall, and inheriting death. My cousin died from RA last summer at age age 67, and a close Christian friend died of Rheumatoid Lung Disease this Feb.

So no! Millions of us have terrible immune systems. It's why we were allowed to go second for the vax after old people. My mom got the vaxes long before I did! The catch is that she is healthier than I have been in over 30 years. But I am glad she got it quickly, living in close quarters with so many other people!

Eating healthy is good! I've gardened for 50 years, and with my mother before that! I still garden, my husband built me lovely cedar raised beds, which I sit in the boards around the beds, & intensively garden. All organic, lots of stuff lasts till spring. I'm still using last year's garlic! But it didn't stop me from getting an autoimmune disease, nor improving my pain & flares. (Sorry I've been in agony for months, my rheumatologist has given up, because I've been through all the drugs, too many side effects or stopped working.) It just makes me more irritable to see this nonsense about good immune systems. My husband gets over everything so quickly. Except for staph & strep infections. He's been in ICU more than once, almost dying because he lost his spleen go carting as a 10 year old. Sure, he gets over colds and flus like nothing. But he has been inches from death from 2 simple bacteria. So, maybe some people have a good immune system, defends the body well for some things, but not for others. He takes the pneumococcus vaccine every 5 years, along with me, and he hasn't had an infection in 10 years now. Praise God for that!

I just need to correct a few mistakes here!

1. Hydroxychloroquine is the generic name for HCQ. You left out too many letters to let it stand. In RA circles, we use the brand name, Plaquenil. It's easier to spell!

2. Claiming a drug doesn't work because it defies the laws of physics is nonsense. Laws of physics are things like the Second law of Thermodynamics. This states that "in a closed system, no processes will tend to occur that increase the net organization (or decrease the net entropy) of the system. In other words, things go downhill and lose energy.

3. Physics is the natural science that studies matter, its fundamental constituents, its motion and behavior through space and time, and the related entities of energy and force. It certainly has nothing to do with drug efficacy or anything else to do with drugs!

4. The "laws of chemistry," or biology or biochemistry is what you were searching for.

5. When you make a statement about Placebo Effect, and ALL cures like HCQ & Invermectin being cured by Placebo Effect, a reference or source would really support what you have said. I know Placebo Effect can be huge!
But, saying ALL cures are PE is a rather unscientific statement without studies and research papers to back up this generalization. Sure it's a forum, not a science class. But I myself would love to read some journal articles backing this up. And if there are none, as I suspect! People aren't going to waste time proving these medications are Placebo Effect, when the big money is in vaxed or cures!

Most likely true

But when you add things like Age. other factors such as Diabetes or other chronic illnesses. A reduced lung capacity due to some factor such as smoking or exposure to hazards. Other factors which may cause exposure to a respiratory virus may cause possible serious harm . That will not always help.

Thats why it should e always on a case by Case basis.

Did your work for you, JohnDB!

No, cures are not Placebo Effrct! Rigorous studies done showed identical results for both HCQ & the Placebo group. No improvement at all. Which means all the antivaxers here saying HCQ is a cure, are wrong!

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/new...does-not-benefit-adults-hospitalized-covid-19

https://www.cochrane.org/news/chlor...ating-people-covid-19-or-preventing-infection

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30389-8/fulltext

The world system is desperate to get people traveling again. It needs the money that it brings in. COVID hampers the world economy, which is Satan's way of controlling people. There are two masters, God and money. If the financial system collapses, Satan is in trouble with it. It speaks volumes to me that most shops here are closed. The lottery ticket shops are business as usual. Need a pair of shoes? Struggle with the internet. Want to gamble? Not a problem.

the nih and the lancet are 2 of the main sources that stated the " your immune system is not good enough to stop covid" lie.

they are not reliable sources.

and, as far as what you said about your health, sorry to hear you are in pain.

that being said, a long time family friend, a 70+ year old bone cancer survivor , his family has owned and operated a funeral home for decades,

i was up there recently, and he playfully scolded me for wearing a mask in his funeral home.

said he does not wear one, and also said that his doc told him to get plenty of vitamins c and d , and he would be fine against covid.

again, a 70 + year old bone cancer survivor.

I assure you that it really wasn't intended as a personal attack.
Or even an insult on what he said. You are correct in that it was a rather benign comment.

But I am an equal opportunity sort of person...where to you I'm a "newbie" (I really am laughing at that designation) I have been around many of the Christian discussion boards for a loooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnng time. I've admined two and modded more. On some of them, the platforms gave spikes instead of red X's...and it became a joke. Because as a mod/admin we don't care especially when the real trolls were running rampant and flaming others with all sorts of profanity and garbage. (Back when proxy servers were popular) A spike/red X was a badge of honor... you had been around and not banned.

So what if I disagree! It's not the end of the world. You would think that with over 200,000+ various denominations and climbing that disagreement was a foregone conclusion.

This is yet another "blue/black dress" but this one has real world consequences. And some people are dumb enough to take advice from internet forums.
I've been blessed and cursed in meeting many people I've conversed with on the forums over the years. I do get around...less lately because of many reasons. I'm not one of the scary ones. (it's always the quiet ones)

Relax and let's have a good day now shall we?

Yep...
I'm fully familiar with the research you just posted...been familiar with it.

But facts aren't relevant anymore. Not to say that in reality they aren't but on the internet it's about "buddies" and fans and followers. Whoever has the most wins.

I will say though that some really good breakthroughs have been discovered recently... like better antibodies and the antiviral pill.
The better antibodies will lead to better vaccines. (Hopefully)

But in the Westernized industrialized nations it won't really help much until countries like India and Africa and South America get vaxxed and inexpensive treatments widely available. Those are where the variants come from...they brew some of the nastiest things from the lack of sanitation and close proximity.
I'm hoping for a more normal year next year...

And exactly why are they not reliable?

they are financed , at least in part, by big phrama .

* follow the money.

if a doctor told me that. no matter how much I trusted him. I would question him.

Not the mask thing, I happen to agree. we need to stop with all this mask stuff. I cannot even wear a mask now due to my diminished lung issues due to covid.

While I think it helps some. I was infected while wearing a mask and social distancing. I do not know How I was infected. I do know who infected me. The mask and social distancing did not protect me.

Now if I am around people who are susceptible to this thing. I have no problem wearing a mask for their sake Again we go back to the old addage, everything is on a case by case basis

Now this gave me a good laugh...

Of course you are correct...

But just wanted to make mention of the negative placebo effect of the antivaxxer activists on those that do take the vaccines... sometimes referred to as the "gloved hand treatment".

Meaning that regardless of a lack of reaction to an injection (like saline) because of the fear instilled in people the antivaxxers are actually responsible for killing a LOT of people.

But they don't want to take credit for that.

https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are.

Try reading this to begin with.

And then this one:
https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/about

Nope...

You are following Stella Imanuel? She belongs to the frontline doctors, right? .She claimes that wearing masks and distance dont help to reduce the spreading of the virus, without given any proof for that claim. But you can find studies where it is testet that a distance from 1,5 - 2m have an result.
Also she claimes that reptileoids ruling the goverments or that the dna from aliens is used for medical treatment.
She claimes to healed hundred's of people from covid with Hydroxychloroquin, but cant proof it.
It is proofed that Hydroxychloroquin can make serious sideeffects and it is not shure that it realy helpes. So to spread Hydroxychloroquin like the vaccine can result in the same Dilemma of sideeffects. More over Hydroxy can cause liver and kidneycollaps or heartarrhytmics. That you still defend it as correct, while you damn the vaccine. This is not logic.

https://www.medizin-transparent.at/hydroxychloroquin-covid-19/

This side is german, but gives you the sources from the studies ( most english) which saying Hydroxychloroquin is not helping against covid or is useful for prevention.