One Eternal God in Three Persons- Look and SEE

Yes I am aware of John 3:16, however, it does not alter the facts of what I posted.

Additionally, John 3:16 says God so loved the world. How do you define "world" in this text? The word "loved" in this text is an Aorist tense verb in the Greek. The Aorist is past action without any guarantee of continued results. So then, this verse is saying that at sometime in the past God loved the world and gave (past tense) His only begotten Son. When was this love then? Eternity past, when the Father planned Creation and Redemption or Just before Christ's arrival?

How one answers this is vitally important. Scripture teaches that God did not love the world of Christ's day.

Mar 4:19 and the cares of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
John_1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world knew him not.
John 7:7 The world cannot hate you; but me it is hating, because I testify of it, that its works are evil.
John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love its own: but because ye are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world is hating you.
John_17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine:

So how do you explain the obvious disdain showed by our Lord for the world? One must conclude God loved the world that He originally Created - upright and pronounced "Good". He does not love the fallen state of the world which is in darkness.

I totally have been seeing what you're Aiming for Others to get!

What is cool, when we think about Christ being the WORD, Yahweh, Elohim, Lord, I AM, YHWH and then add being the complete Godhead with the Father and being full of the Holy Spirit, we [SEE] Christ in every Representation of God in Body, Spirit, and in NAME from Genesis to Revelation!

Thank you. I'm trying hard to follow Jesus the Christ in dealing with Denominational Christianity. I believe I've shared sufficiently how shabbily my denomination treated me, I need to forgive yet at times the wounding flares up and I don't act like I should. God forgive me.

Please re-examine the scriptures you posted and note that it is the world that is not loving God, not the other way around.

Brother, Please help me out here - i apologize - i am confused .
Can you let me know on the list below, which individuals our Lord Jesus Christ had disdain for when He walked this earth.

Roman Soldiers
the Poor
the Blind
the crippled
the diseased
Harlots
Tax Collectors
Stinking dirty smelly fishermen
Adulterers, caught in the very act.
Violent demon possessed individuals living in graveyards amongst the dead
Scribes
Pharissees
Saducees

@awelight

Romans 5:6-8

6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Jesus died for us when we had no faith in Him, and did not deserve to be saved, and had nothing in us worthy of His amazing love.

The problem is pure supposition without facts. Why should the act of water baptism have to be mentioned in Acts with the words Father, Son and Holy Spirit? This is already previously understood.

AMEN - Three times in one sentence = Us, Our and Our

What about this: man, image, likeness

Could man here also be a prophecy of the coming of "the Word became flesh" and Hebrews - He is the express Image of God and what Scripture would you associate to "likeness"?

Luke was [OBSERVING and keeping specific detailed Notes]. He would have written down had they actually Baptized in Matthew 28:19. But then again, Luke's Gospel Ending is like Mark's [which we know is from Peter's Viewpoint], they differ from Matthew's Version. I am not attempting to do anything, but simply asking from the Viewpoint of the Book Writers.

Amen. Could not agree with you and what Scripture says more. None of the saved deserve it. But this is the simple truth that we came to know in the beginning. I am pushing towards more complicated Doctrinal understanding. To move from the milk of the Word to the Meat of the Word. Sadly, not very many churches truly preach the Word anymore. There is no Doctrine or very little Doctrine taught and far to often those who come into Doctrinal discussions don't understand what is being said.

Take Romans 5, verse 8 for example. It says, God demonstrated His love toward us,,, He did indeed but who are "us"? The world without exception or those whom the father knew? Christ death on the cross was the demonstration. It proved that God was not willing to allow the whole of creation to be for nothing. This was accomplished while we were yet sinners. Again, who are the "we"? Was Paul writing to the world or was He writing to the Assembly in Rome?

No one would say that God loves sin. Only fools would think God loves sinners. And only foolish churches teach that God hates the sin but loves the sinner. God hates every aspect of sin and sin cannot be separated from the one who commits it. Jesus Christ did not pay for the sins that were committed, He paid for the sinner and took upon Himself the legal debt of the sinners sin. We have been bought with a price according to the Apostle Paul. We are now slaves of Christ. God loves us through the Person and Work of His Son. Without the righteousness that Christ has provided for His own, we would be hated just like the rest of the world. Our future the same, condemnation and eternal punishment.

If God loved the sinful world, then one MUST understand that this view would have God punishing those that He loved. This would cause an obvious paradox. God is eternal and unchangeable. What God loves, He does not later hate and what He hates, He does not later love. He loved his own because they were in Christ before they were ever born.

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭5:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:11, 14-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In the beginning he made man in his image , after we fell and corrupted his image in us

“And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬


….Christ came and was made In Our image

“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to restore us to his own image and likeness those who will die on the flesh but live by the spirit

“But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:21-23‬ ‭

From glory fallen to shame and then restored from death into glory is the story of mankind on Christ

Well placed Scripture for a clear harmonious picture of His Love - Thank You

yes I’m sorry it strayed from the subject I always hear things when reading your posts

I can accept God in three forms, but I don't see any reason for it to be only three forms unless that's how God wants to do it. If he chose to do it, he could appear to us in hundreds of forms, all at the same time.

i have to ask this question based on your post above.
There are 13 representatives listed here who our Lord and Savior had interaction with - Ten were shown great love from the Father thru the Son and Holy Spirit - Three were shown disdain by the Lord Jesus Christ.
Can you sort out the ones who were shown great Love by our Lord?
Roman Soldiers
the Poor
the Blind
the crippled
the diseased
Harlots
Tax Collectors
Stinking dirty smelly fishermen
Adulterers, caught in the very act.
Violent demon possessed individuals living in graveyards amongst the dead
Scribes
Pharissees
Saducees

Your question strikes me as a bit elementary - as if you were asking a Sunday school class this question. Yes, Jesus Christ came to bring Good News to sinners. These sinners were made up from all walks of life. However, this is a superficial understanding of Christ's real purpose. One must go much deeper to see the truth of the Gospel accounts. IN the same way, one must go deeper to see the truth of the Triunity of God.

Jesus Christ came to say the Words and to do the Work that the Father gave Him to do.

John 6:38 For I am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
John 17:7, 8 Now they know that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are from thee: for the words which thou gavest me I have given unto them; and they received them, and knew of a truth that I came forth from thee, and they believed that thou didst send me.
John 19:28 After this Jesus, knowing that all things are now finished, that the scripture might be accomplished, saith, I thirst.

Having established that, we need to ask some very important questions. These questions center around: Why did Christ go where He went and meet with whom He met and heal whom He did? Obviously, to answer these questions fully would be impossible on this chat forum. One would have to write a book on the subject, however, we can look at a few examples.

1) Why did Christ have to be at the well to meet with the Samaritan woman? John 4:4, tells us that Jesus must pass through Samaria. Why? Obviously, He had a particular message for this woman. A Samarian woman who gave evidence of being one of His own. This encounter is rather shocking, when one understands the disdain the Jews had for the half-breed Samaritans. The products of Jewish and Gentile parents. (John 4:9) It is also rather shocking, when one realizes Jesus forbade His disciples from going into Samaria with the Gospel message. (Mat.10:5) It should also be noted, that Christ had this meeting in secret, while the disciples were away.

2) When Jesus Christ taught in the Synagogue, recorded in Luke chapter 4 - Jesus was nearly put to death. Why? Let's look at this text:

Luke 4:25-28 But of a truth I say unto you, There were many widows in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when there came a great famine over all the land; and unto none of them was Elijah sent, but only to Zarephath, in the land of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. And there were many lepers in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, but only Naaman the Syrian. And they were all filled with wrath in the synagogue, as they heard these things;

What was going on here? Why did Christ pick these particular accounts to discuss? The answer is this. Both times, Christ magnifies the Lord's Grace, not as to a group of people but to an individual. He was beginning to show the error of the religious Jews. They believed they had Salvation because they were related to Abraham. Jesus was beginning to show them that blood does not save, rather it is God's Grace bestowed upon the Elect. Further irritating the Jewish listeners, was the fact He picked two accounts that did not involve Jews. Zarephath was a Samaritan/Gentile and Naaman was a Syrian. He in this way, was demonstrating that mercy and compassion is the Sovereign act of God, upon whom He pleases to bestow it.

3) The above lesson, was taught by Jesus Christ, over and over in His ministry. Perhaps best summed up in these verses:

Mat 3:9 and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham as our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

John 6:36-40 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not. All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the will of him that sent me, that of all that which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Note in the last two verses - All that the Father gives to the Son, is equal to the ones believing on Him. It cannot be those the Father gives, plus those who believe. These makeup the spiritual seed of Abraham. A point that the religious Jews had perverted and most of Christendom still does to this day.

Therefore, every single person our Lord loved, blessed and healed, demonstrated the Sovereign love the Father had for those whom He gave to the Son. The ones out of love, the Father placed into Christ before the foundation of the world. (Eph.1:4) This truth is why the Jews sought to throw Christ over the ridge and even today, causes many religionist to still desire the same fate for those who support the message.

You said: "Yes, Jesus Christ came to bring Good News to sinners" "However, this is a superficial understanding of Christ's real purpose."

Christ said it was the Main Reason for His Coming: Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
i find this to be SUPER and OFFICIAL from God

You said: " One would have to write a book on the subject."

Well, God did write a Book on the Subject - we call it the Word of God - the Bible (short for the Scripture from Genesis to Revelation)

You said: "Therefore, every single person our Lord loved, blessed and healed, demonstrated the Sovereign love the Father had for those whom He gave to the Son. The ones out of love, the Father placed into Christ before the foundation of the world. (Eph.1:4) This truth is why the Jews sought to throw Christ over the ridge and even today, causes many religionist to still desire the same fate for those who support the message."
i also find this to be SUPER and OFFICIAL from God

But i do not find anywhere in Scripture that saving sinners from eternal death is "suprerficial".
That be your words my Brother - not God's

P.S. your said: "one must go deeper to see the truth of the Triunity of God"

Actually, the Three Persons of the Godhead - Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all over the Book, hidden in plain sight and thus this Thread - Go Figure

Peace and Love in Christ for you and me and all who believe in Him.