How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

Rev.12:9 is not referring to Satan in the garden, but is a future event, where at the sounding of the 7th trumpet Satan his angels will be cast out of heaven to the earth, which is also the 3rd woe.

"Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them!

But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you!

He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short.”

Every seal, trumpet and bowl judgment has a resulting plague. The 7th Trumpet is no different. It starts off with a pre-celebration, then chapter 12 reveals the woman as Israel, the dragon and the stars which represent Satan and his angels and the Male Child, which is not Jesus. The results of the sounding of the 7th trumpet is Satan and his angels being cast out of heaven to the earth.

As further proof that the war in heaven is future, In Rev.19 Jesus told John to write "what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later." The what must take place later begins at Revelation 4:1 where the Lord says, "come up here and I will show you what must take place after this, i.e. after the what is now, which we are currently living in. Therefore, since the war in heaven takes place within the "what must take place later" portion of what John was told to write, then it is still a future event, which will take place at the sounding of the 7th trumpet.

You're not bursting my bubble. If I didn't already know about that, do you think that I would be commenting on these issues? I'm not speaking from the cuff of my sleeve on these matters, as many assume I am.

When Jesus said that He beheld Satan fall from heaven like lightening, He was referring to Satan's original fall, which has nothing to do with Satan and his angels finally being cast out of heaven to the earth for good revealed in Rev.12. Surprise! Satan and his angels still currently have access to heaven. In Job we see the son's of God (holy angels) appearing before God to present themselves to Him and Satan appeared with them to present himself. That happened well after the event with Satan in the garden. Now here in Rev.12, it states that Satan accuses the saints day and night before God.

In the middle of the seven years, the 7th trumpet will be sounded and that war will take place with Satan and his angels finally being cast out of heaven and never to be allowed back in. That is why it says, "woe to the earth and the sea" because he will be able to concentrate all of his evil upon the inhabitants of the earth.

You're not bursting my bubble. If I didn't already know about that, do you think that I would be commenting on these issues? I'm not speaking from the cuff of my sleeve on these matters, as many assume I am.

When Jesus said that He beheld Satan fall from heaven like lightening, He was referring to Satan's original fall, which has nothing to do with Satan and his angels finally being cast out of heaven to the earth for good revealed in Rev.12. Surprise! Satan and his angels still currently have access to heaven. In Job we see the son's of God (holy angels) appearing before God to present themselves to Him and Satan appeared with them to present himself. That happened well after the event with Satan in the garden. Now here in Rev.12, it states that Satan accuses the saints day and night before God.

In the middle of the seven years, the 7th trumpet will be sounded and that war will take place with Satan and his angels finally being cast out of heaven and never to be allowed back in. That is why it says, "woe to the earth and the sea" because he will be able to concentrate all of his evil upon the inhabitants of the earth.

The lie of pre-trib does not stop there - it has to come up with more lies to support itself.

Scripture cannot lie - so when men use scripture to create false teachings they do so by "adding to and taking away from God's words."
The lies of pre-trib just keep growing bigger and bigger.......

Example: Pre-trib itself is a lie since it cannot be found in scripture - Scripture will only denounce it.
So more lies must be added such as this:
"Satan's persecution of the great tribulation saints takes place within the period of God's wrath, the Day of the Lord. Everything that takes place during that time period is God's wrath. The events of Satan, the beast and false prophet are all a part of God's wrath and testing of the tribulation saints."


Scripture declares this TRUTH by the word of the LORD = 1 Thessalonians 4: 13-18 and 5:9

Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
Therefore encourage one another with these words.

For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

The rain bow was..a weapon a bow gen 9:13 + we have the cross in the new testament.Put them together you have the cross bow..Jesus was the arrow that shot the devil out of the sky.His ascension from the cross.

Absolutely correct. I cringe to say it, and although it is patently obvious, it must nevertheless be said that you are facing off against biblical illiteracy and ignorance of a very VERY troubling scale and magnitude. An unenviable task....

Did you just make that up? Like a crazy quilt commentary?

Absolutely correct. I cringe to say it, and although it is patently obvious, it must nevertheless be said that you are facing off against biblical illiteracy and ignorance of a very VERY troubling scale and magnitude. An unenviable task....

"For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine and accurate instruction [that challenges them with God’s truth]; but wanting to have their ears tickled [with something pleasing], they will accumulate for themselves [many] teachers to satisfy their own desires and to support the errors they hold, and will turn their ears away from the truth and will wander off into myths and man-made fictions [and will accept the unacceptable]." - Amplified version

The rain bow was..a weapon a bow gen 9:13 + we have the cross in the new testament.Put them together you have the cross bow..Jesus was the arrow that shot the devil out of the sky.His ascension from the cross.

That's a lot of parsing. But conceptually you fail to recognize That the bride of Christ is one body. It never was nor will it ever be divided. Certainly not in terms of being raptured.

Because Christians have been raptured beforehand. Clearly.

I watched this video the other day and thought that it was great. It goes for over an hour but worth a watch. However I expect some will not like it. You have to put it to the beginning as for some reason it posts at the end when I finished watching it.

But did you read and believe the word of the Lord?

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Therefore encourage one another with these words.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 2 Timothy 4:3

Yes I did. Did you?

Hmmmm - sounds just exactly like modern hard-core pretribbers...

You must have missed the fact that there is no rapture in the Bible. Only in Jerome's 4th century AD Latin Vulgate, because Jerome's Greek was very weak, and he transliterated a word wrong.

Or, show me where Rapture occurs in the Bible. Not vague verses out of context. Not an iffy conjecture. The Rapture doctrine comes straight from Darby in the 18th century, popularized by the terrible study Bible by Scofield, with his notes incorporated into the text in some places!

We are awaiting the Second Coming of Christ. That is what 1 Thess. 4:17 describes. No "secret" "rapture" or destination in "heaven!" None of those words are mentioned!

You must have missed the fact that there is no rapture in the Bible. Only in Jerome's 4th century AD Latin Vulgate, because Jerome's Greek was very weak, and he transliterated a word wrong.

Or, show me where Rapture occurs in the Bible. Not vague verses out of context. Not an iffy conjecture. The Rapture doctrine comes straight from Darby in the 18th century, popularized by the terrible study Bible by Scofield, with his notes incorporated into the text in some places!

We are awaiting the Second Coming of Christ. That is what 1 Thess. 4:17 describes. No "secret" "rapture" or destination in "heaven!" None of those words are mentioned!