How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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don't result in name-calling ok, be mature. Disagreeing with is not the same as adding to the word of God. John chapter 14 if you knew about weddings and the context of Jesus speaking to those who were also Galileans the context is made even clearer with the Parable of the virgins , paul in 1thess 4:13-18 1cor 15 and Matthew 24
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you and those like have bad habits of saying " that's false. You as others who disagree with you like to attack those with subtle statements like you are some great theologians that can tell one is false. I would love to see any one of you in person instead of the overwhelming boldness one has when you don't see them. You disagree fine, saying we are false, to adding to scripture, or a liar
is really uncalled for and anything you have to say falls on deaf ears.
The Pretrib and Midtrib Rapture are both supported in scripture yet, they are not doctrines that if you disagree with or hold to as being false. Many great men and women of God who hold to the word of God far better that you or I taught the Pre Trib, Mid Trib, and no trib rapture and were far more agreeable to disagree than you and others here.
To much given is much required. So show some humility before you Pop-off " that's false".
IF not place me on "Ignore" as I will you and you can go one being the legend in your own mind.
Except... you've not explained why the "2W" are resurrected from the dead at the "6th Trumpet [events] / 2nd Woe," at a time-slot distinct from when all other saints will be resurrected (according to your understanding / viewpoint)... but would rather insist that the wording in Rev20:6[5] is saying, "this is the first time any saints will have been resurrected" (which the text does not convey).
["Blessed is the one having a part in the resurrection the first [adjective]"... same word used regarding Paul being the chief of sinners (clearly not the first-ever sinner of all times)]
["Blessed is the one having a part in the resurrection the first [adjective]"... same word used regarding Paul being the chief of sinners (clearly not the first-ever sinner of all times)]
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Thank you for your question No I have no issue with the word premillennialist which is one who holds to Premillennialism teaching.
it is in the context of how you the term to disagree with those here( not you)
if you say " Pretriber's are false teachers or hold to a false doctrine then, the term "Pretriber" is not a term of endearment, is it? it is not a name that degrees the one who sees the Pretribulation Rapture in scripture. I'm sure you do not do that as I did not see any of your posts as some others here have already resulted in name-calling because one disagrees with them.
Those with pride as they cause others of having did not see where I said Both Pre Trib and Mid trib Rapture are supported by Scripture yet, the Teaching of the "Soon coming of the Lord" known as the doctrine of the imminent coming of the Lord.
AS I said I agree with the Pretribulation Rapture, over Mid Trib, I also said I can be wrong.
Many here who have named called will not ever say such a thing that they too could be wrong, Because Their pride will not let them.
For them to be wrong is too damaging to their self-esteem.
I think it is more important to get the unsaved saved before that day comes.
But that just me
it is in the context of how you the term to disagree with those here( not you)
if you say " Pretriber's are false teachers or hold to a false doctrine then, the term "Pretriber" is not a term of endearment, is it? it is not a name that degrees the one who sees the Pretribulation Rapture in scripture. I'm sure you do not do that as I did not see any of your posts as some others here have already resulted in name-calling because one disagrees with them.
Those with pride as they cause others of having did not see where I said Both Pre Trib and Mid trib Rapture are supported by Scripture yet, the Teaching of the "Soon coming of the Lord" known as the doctrine of the imminent coming of the Lord.
AS I said I agree with the Pretribulation Rapture, over Mid Trib, I also said I can be wrong.
Many here who have named called will not ever say such a thing that they too could be wrong, Because Their pride will not let them.
For them to be wrong is too damaging to their self-esteem.
I think it is more important to get the unsaved saved before that day comes.
But that just me
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interesting position do you think?
What some are not seeing is imho, that the earth of God and the great tribulation can happen at the same time. WE see God's wrath in the book of Revelation.
Is the devil opening the scrolls or Christ? Who breaking the seals the devil of God? who is pouring out the bowls and whose trumpets are sounding the devils?
what happens when they are poured, opened, and blown? where is those event happening at? and Who are they happening to?
What some are not seeing is imho, that the earth of God and the great tribulation can happen at the same time. WE see God's wrath in the book of Revelation.
Is the devil opening the scrolls or Christ? Who breaking the seals the devil of God? who is pouring out the bowls and whose trumpets are sounding the devils?
what happens when they are poured, opened, and blown? where is those event happening at? and Who are they happening to?
No Lucy-Pevensie...
...since you've ignored the posts explaining that "pre-tribbers" agree Jesus only "RETURNS" ONCE (Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 and it parallel--"when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal [G347])... so it is you that seems "desperate" to discredit and disparage the "pre-trib" perspective, by completely making up this fable about the pre-trib view saying there's "2-returns".
There aren't, and pre-trib does not say so. (strawman)
The same could be said of you.
That's what I've been posting much about throughout this thread (and related threads)
...since you've ignored the posts explaining that "pre-tribbers" agree Jesus only "RETURNS" ONCE (Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 and it parallel--"when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal [G347])... so it is you that seems "desperate" to discredit and disparage the "pre-trib" perspective, by completely making up this fable about the pre-trib view saying there's "2-returns".
There aren't, and pre-trib does not say so. (strawman)
The same could be said of you.
That's what I've been posting much about throughout this thread (and related threads)
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Pre-tribbers on this forum do not agree with you - they believe in Two Returns of the Lord.
And if you are a pre-tribber you cannot believe in One Return of the Lord for He said He was Coming immediately after the tribulation in those days.
Jesus also said that the Resurrection occurs before the rapture and that this Resurrection does not take place until after the 5th Seal is completed.
And if you are a pre-tribber you cannot believe in One Return of the Lord for He said He was Coming immediately after the tribulation in those days.
Jesus also said that the Resurrection occurs before the rapture and that this Resurrection does not take place until after the 5th Seal is completed.
Right!
And just because a different language uses a different word for it (like, say, in Latin), does not make this to be "an unbiblical concept"
And just because a different language uses a different word for it (like, say, in Latin), does not make this to be "an unbiblical concept"
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I think you are getting confused.
The pre-trib understanding is that that are two distinct instances of His "PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" that occur at distinct time-slots and distinct locations and pertaining to distinct persons who are involved and which after-effects/outcomes/aftermaths are completely distinct also.
[this is a matter of paying attention to chronology/sequence issues... and grammar issues... and word-definition issues, etc etc... each of which I've notice you fluff off as unimportant superfluous trivia every time I've pointed out such things to you. Do as you wish, DT]
Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44 (and its parallel in the Olivet Discourse [Mt24:42-51 section]), "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal [G347]!! (i.e. the EARTHLY MK age at its commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19)
The pre-trib understanding is that that are two distinct instances of His "PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" that occur at distinct time-slots and distinct locations and pertaining to distinct persons who are involved and which after-effects/outcomes/aftermaths are completely distinct also.
[this is a matter of paying attention to chronology/sequence issues... and grammar issues... and word-definition issues, etc etc... each of which I've notice you fluff off as unimportant superfluous trivia every time I've pointed out such things to you. Do as you wish, DT]
Luke 12:36-37,38,40,42-44 (and its parallel in the Olivet Discourse [Mt24:42-51 section]), "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the meal [G347]!! (i.e. the EARTHLY MK age at its commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth Rev19)
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Biblically speaking (which is what we're on about, right?), the word "RETURN" (re: Jesus) speaks ONLY of His RETURN to the earth (i.e. Rev19) and what takes place in such a context:
--Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" (i.e. as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom," not "TO BE WED"... THEN the meal [G347] (this fully agrees with the distinction between Rev19:7 [re: the MARRIAGE itself, pertaining SOLELY TO the "Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]"] and the distinct Rev19:9 [re: "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" pertaining to the INVITED "Guests [PLURAL]" whom He is NOT MARRYING!])... where this Lk passage is parallel to Matt24:42-51 in His Olivet Discourse (NO RAPTURE is being spoken of in Jesus' Olivet Discourse, as that is NOT the Subject Jesus is covering there, AT ALL!);
--Lk19:12,15,17,19 "RETURN"... when He will deal out responsibilities having to do with "have thou authority over ten cities"... and "over five cities"; where also this Lk passage is parallel to the Matt25:14-30 passage in His Olivet Discourse... and ditto what I said above, about that
I see that you have no qualms about changing out words to suit your own view of things (repeatedly).
--Zech14:4 - "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."
--Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" (i.e. as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom," not "TO BE WED"... THEN the meal [G347] (this fully agrees with the distinction between Rev19:7 [re: the MARRIAGE itself, pertaining SOLELY TO the "Bride/Wife [SINGULAR]"] and the distinct Rev19:9 [re: "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER" pertaining to the INVITED "Guests [PLURAL]" whom He is NOT MARRYING!])... where this Lk passage is parallel to Matt24:42-51 in His Olivet Discourse (NO RAPTURE is being spoken of in Jesus' Olivet Discourse, as that is NOT the Subject Jesus is covering there, AT ALL!);
--Lk19:12,15,17,19 "RETURN"... when He will deal out responsibilities having to do with "have thou authority over ten cities"... and "over five cities"; where also this Lk passage is parallel to the Matt25:14-30 passage in His Olivet Discourse... and ditto what I said above, about that
I see that you have no qualms about changing out words to suit your own view of things (repeatedly).
--Zech14:4 - "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."
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