Vaccination?

You know this woman?
I have seen lots of reports where stuff like this is fake news
not saying this is. But I know well over 1000 people in my church took the shot. My church is recommending everyone gets it. And we have over 1000 members. I would think if it was this dangerous we would have witnessed it. But nothing

Funny just like with all the things we hear on the news lately. It is always someone else who has an issue.
Again. I had a reaction to the flue shot when I was younger. I could
Not take it because I would get seriously ill. It does
It mean no one should take the glue shot
we need to stop spreading fear especially as christians

As for me I'm not opposed to Christians taking medicine, having operations and things.....have had them myself. I do find it funny though that Jesus reproved unbelief in his disciples asking them many, many times, Where is your faith? and yet nobody, I mean NOBODY is allowed to ever ask that of another today. It can never, never, NEVER be that a person lacked faith, it can never be a possible reason to be brought up. But what were the things Jesus said---->(Mat 8:10, Mt 9:2. Mt 9:22, Mt 9:29, Mt 15:20, Mt 17:21, Mk 4:40, Mk 5:40, Mk 10:52, Mk 11:22 more in Luke, John, Peter and James,

If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. James 1: 5

There he starts talking about wisdom but then he goes to talking about any thing.

You are correct, there is a lot running wrong in this world. Alone the misuesing of medicine for to raise up animals ore making the harvest much better. With the goal of getting more money.
Till the Lord comes this will not change.
So we have to accept the conditions so far in which we are living and dont can change something.
In the same way thst we cantvexpect from godless people to live a godly livestil, we cant expect from godless goverments godly motives for their Actions.
I live in germany. We have an healthsystem which take care for everybody who needs it, doesnd matter which Religion, skincolour, Sex or social position. The goal is to protect all. This is in our constitution and the goverment has to handle according this. This why and because i work in hospital i support the vaccination as a Tool to reach the goal health for all.

How do you figure that? Even very pro-vaccine experts are acknowledging for some (we don't need to argue how many) but for some they might experience serious reactions to a vaccine and yes even die. So....did those people NEED this vaccine? I can't imagine how you could say they did.

The question many would ask would be in what why do you support the vaccination? To the point that you're in favor of people being made to take it and the threat of loosing their jobs? To the point where people wouldn't even be allowed to go to the grocery store without being vaccinated?

Wow you've really hit the nail on the head with this post.

All of the propaganda you're hearing about taking a vaccine, ignoring things about preexisting herd immunity before covid-19, and blaming those who are unvaccinated for the woes of the world is about control.

It's easy to see the distributors of information mostly stick to an agreed upon narrative and then demonize dissenters. This isn't an accident. Propaganda works better when agreement is manufactured.

I think people have a hard time actually believing it's possible that we're all consumers in one giant propaganda mill. I think it's difficult to accept this dark reality and so much easier to trust and obey what people can see.

All of that being said, I think it's totally possible the vaccine agenda is like a shadow of the mark of the beast. There are so many similarities. Think of the vaccine agenda as mark of the beast training wheels.

While i agree it is stupid. And we need to open back up It is getting out of hand. I can understand why a lot of companies are demanding people get the shot.

My company paired up to four weeks full pay for one person because he was exposed. Then he got sick at the end of his time off. Then we have the three who got it. And up to three weeks paid off.. Thats ALOT of money. I was exposed. But because I had the vaccine i only had two days off. And I worked from home that time.. So the company lost no money. It is going to come down to companies demanding it because of the money they are losing

My view is we need to stop worrying and open up. If people get sick they get sick. No more of this time off because you were exposed. There is help out there. If you chose to not get the shot. Thats your right. But our country is suffering because of the nonsense.

As Christians we need to do the best we can to take best care of our bodies that are the temple of the Lord, God dwells in us.

Vaccine isn't working. It is up to us to insist on food that isn't processed. According to men who work with this, it is the best way to handle this threat.

I know this is another theme, but I cant renember that Jesus garantet us an live on earth without sickness and deseases. But what he has garantet his followers is persecution.
I know many Christians believe that, is beeing sick, is an sign of lack on faith. But I cant find this in the bible for the life on earth.

Yes, you are right, in this point my statement was made to easy. But if the vaccine for this people is dangerous, how it will be then with an infection? For those people there has to find another way.

Thats not correct. Vaccine is working, but not with all people. Food is an good thing. How many people dies in this world because of lack on food? How this people then should become sufficient food. If they even dont have food for to survive?
Even in our rich countries not all people have the possibillity to get enough food.

In my country it is not prohibited to go to grocery Story or supermarket without beeing vaccinatet.
Even the goverment is not giving the law that people working in hospital have to be vaccinatet.

Do hard facts even matter to the vaxxed?

Or are they just going to continue to get jabbed every 6 months for the rest of their very likely shortened lives?

Nobel Laureate Warns: COVID Vaccine is Creating Variants
For more than a year, French virologist Dr. Luc Montagnier—recipient of the 2008 Nobel Prize in Medicine for his discovery of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)—has exposed the dangers of the COVID-19 vaccines. He reveals that epidemiologists recognize but are “silent” about the phenomenon known as “Antibody Dependent Enhancement” that is currently driving the pandemic. Joining the handful of experts brave enough to speak up and share their professional knowledge, Montagnier refers to the massive vaccine campaign as an“unacceptable mistake.”

Dr. Montagnier—who was censored early in the pandemic for speaking up against mask mandates, lockdowns, government overreach, and the mass vaccination campaign—has a doctorate in medicine and has received more than 20 major awards, including the French National Order of Merit and the Légion d’honneur. He is a recipient of the Lasker Award, the Scheele Award, the Louis-Jeantet Prize for medicine, the Gairdner Award, King Faisal International Prize (known as the Arab Nobel Prize), the Prince of Asturias Award, and the Golden Plate Award of the American Academy of Achievement.

In April 2020, Montagnier argued that SARS-CoV-2 could only be a genetically engineered coronavirus, having escaped from an “industrial accident” at the Wuhan lab during attempts to develop a vaccine against HIV. He urged that the vaccine strategy for COVID-19 be based on that premise. His in-depth analysis proving the virus was man-made was published by mathematician Jean-Claud Perez in February 2020. At the time, Montagnier urged people to refuse vaccinesagainst COVID-19 when they become available, declaring that “instead of preventing the infection, they [would] accelerate infection.”

The Variants Are Created By Vaccines
The virologist argues that COVID-19 vaccines don’t stop the virus. In fact, they do the opposite—they “feed the virus” and support its evolution into more potent and more transmittable variants that will be more resistant to vaccination and run the risk of causing more health consequences than the “original” virus. Describing Montagnier’s position, a TrialSite News op-ed reported:

Montagnier refers to the mass vaccine program as an “unacceptable mistake” and a “scientific error as well as a medical error.” His assertion is that “The history books will show that it is the vaccination that is creating the variants.” In other words: “There are antibodies, created by the vaccine,” forcing the virus to “find another solution” or die. “This is where the variants are created.” It is the variants that “are a production and result from the vaccination.”

Antibody-Dependent Enhancement
It has long been known that viruses mutate, creating variants. However, as emphasized by theTrialSite News article, in expressing his concerns over mass COVID-19 vaccinations causing variants, Dr. Montagnier is referring to the mutation and strengthening of SARS-CoV-2 due to the phenomenon known as Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE). “ADE is a mechanism that increases the ability of a virus to enter cells and cause the worsening of a disease.”

Montagnier’s views, which are shared by Belgium virologist Geert Vanden Bossche and have been reported on extensively by UncoverDC, further suggest that ADE occurs when the antibodies generated during an immune response recognize and bind to a pathogen but are unable to prevent infection. Instead, these antibodies act as a “Trojan horse,” allowing the pathogen to penetrate the cells and exacerbate the immune response, thus increasing the severity of the virus. Montagnier asserts that data from around the world confirms ADE occurs in SARS-CoV-2, saying:

“You see it in each country, it’s the same: the curve of vaccination is followed by the curve of deaths. I’m following this closely and I am doing experiments at the Institute with patients who became sick with Corona after being vaccinated.”

Petition to Israel’s Supreme Court & Continued ADE Research
To combat the COVID-19 pandemic, Israelunveiled one of the fastest and most extensive vaccination campaigns in the world. In late March 2021, Montagnier joined a petitionsubmitted to Israel’s Supreme Court by Nakim.org founders Dr. Hervé Seligmann and Haim Yativ seeking to halt the country’s COVID-19 vaccine campaign. Montagnier contacted Seligman and Yativ following publications on the Nakim website concerning the high death rate following Pfizer’s “vaccine.” He concludes his opinion with the words: “In the face of an unpredictable future, it is better to abstain.”

In the United States, vaccines recommended on the vaccine schedule do not induce ADE. If they did, the vaccine would be excluded from the program. Before a vaccine is approved for use, Phase III clinical trials of novel vaccines are intended to uncover frequent or critical side effects. Furthermore, it typically takes several years to assess whether a vaccine is safe, but with COVID-19 vaccines, manufacturers spent around six months or less for testing. The experimental vaccines are being administered under emergency use authorization (EUA). Still, despite warnings from experts and a growing list of incidents worthy of a closer look, the Pfizer mRNA vaccine received FDA approval today.

In the video (and transcript) below, the Nobel Laureate reiterates that he is doing his own investigation surrounding those who become infected with the coronavirus after getting a vaccine. He declares, “I will show you that they are creating the variants that are resistant to the vaccine.”

You obviously didnt even read what I wrote. I said its not about lack of faith. Nor is it about medicine. Reading rather than just attacking and accusing people of things they didnt say would be a good and mature way to discuss matters.
But ive noticed that behavior a few times. Time to put you on ignore. Bye

There's never going to be a"perfect" medical vaccine or therapy for the whole world.

The fear sellers and promoters are doing just that... selling fear.

The mRNA vaccines are as safe as they come. (They either work or they don't in testing) hundreds of millions of people have taken them with no serious side effects other than sore arm and draggy feeling for a day or two. There's a good chance that these will prevent infection/transmission as well. (The Moderna over the Pfizer for this one) the research is coming...but it isn't complete yet.

There are over 20,000 variants possible with this virus...and the full effects of the current COVID-19 variants are not known. They are viruses...these viruses try to change your DNA...they are almost impossible to wipe out. We have been fighting influenza for over 100 years and still haven't won yet...it still comes around regularly. Influenza virons are larger than the Corona class of virons.

What concerns me the most about this is the next generation...
Zitka virus in Brazil is spread by mosquitoes but it's a cousin of Covid-19... and both viruses attack the endocrine system. Similar symptoms and natural resistance as Covid. But the effects on children born after you were infected are horrendous.

I'm too old to be having any more children...mine are grown. But I worry for them.

Placebo effects happen from the fear sellers... do they actually take that responsibility as diligently as they claim to do when selling fear?

I haven't heard one peep out of any antivaxxer activists yet about placebo effects of what fear they spew yet.

Great talking points from all sides, thank you to everyone and especially to those that keeps the conversation alive. It has been an enjoyable read so far.

Back to the question. Does taking the shot indicate a lack of faith?

My perspective on this is that everyone should do what they feel is right, even when it goes against the grain. That cuts two ways:

1) If you feel in your heart that getting the shot is the right decision for you but don't get it, that might be a weakness in faith

2) If you feel in your heart that not getting the shot is the right but get it anyway, that might be a weakness in faith

The complication comes when we are offering guidance or making decisions for youths that cannot legally sign the waiver form required to get the emergency shot. These shots for youths are just becoming available. If you've gotten the shot for yourself and then changed your mind on the topic, it isn't too late to take measures to protect children from something you feel isn't right for them. Always proactively try to do what you feel inside is the right thing to do, even if it doesn't seem like the most pragmatic thing based on the immediate information. There are things left unseen or intentionally hidden that affect your decisionmaking. Remember that with all of this talk about vaccine passports, there are two key exemptions for the requirement (at least in Canada): 1) medical exemptions, and 2) exemption based on religion or creed. If you feel that God is guiding you not to take the vaccine, it is a human rights violation to mandate that everyone must have the shot without exception. Familiarize yourself with the fineprint that the media owners don't want you to see.

"Stick to your guns" as the saying goes.

If someone has a good reason other than feelings to not take the Vaccines it's perfectly reasonable to do so...

However...

It's not ok to expect the whole world to bow to your choice. Meaning that you have to accept the concequenses of your actions. Meaning that you should be willing to isolate yourself away from others and be honest about your lack of vaccinations.

That's the breaks... you don't get to go on missions or use public transportation or concerts or movie theatres...it's not the end of the world if you choose that...just don't make everyone else responsible and have to suffer from your choices.

he works in a hospital , in germany if i am not mistaken.

so, of course someone who is in the medical industrial complex is going to defend it , no matter what.

Christ told us to OBEY Caesar!
Paul told us that GOVERNMENTS were [designed] by God and we are to OBEY them.

Now, does getting Vaccinated go against what we read in the WORD of God?
NO!
So, this is a scenario, not involving God, but where we should OBEY the Government!

you said:
So you don't believe that love for your fellow man is a Hallmark of Christianity?

this is a false narrative that one is not loving in disagreeing with your statement


Maybe you should read John's three letters that come just before Revelations.

They are not Johns Revelations: it is the Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ Singular not plural

And of course the pilgrims were there to proselytize the indigenous population...that was the main reason they came...the persecution was just another reason that made making the trip easier.

This comment is a revisionist interjection of American History. The early settlers did not come to America to proselytize, but to flee a tyrant King.

And I have yet to find a historian that doesn't believe that the pilgrims infected and killed by infecting those that they ate with.

Meh...the pilgrims were drinking a lot of beer...they probably didn't notice at first.


Great display of ignorance If you knew anything about native Americans, you would know that the 560 plus tribes also gave the disease to each other. In addition Spain, France, and the British were already in South America. Spain ruled Mexico 200 years before the signing of the Declaration of the United States. Your bias and revisionist comments of History along with those who you say "I have yet to find a Historian" who believes it was the Pilgrims who brought disease and fail to see it could have come from other locations and peoples is foolish.