Sabbath

That's ok sis, Moses can always walk back up the mountain for another copy.

Colossians 2
Colossians 2
Easy-to-Read Version
2 I want you to know that I am trying very hard to help you. And I am trying to help those in Laodicea and others who have never seen me. 2 I want them to be strengthened and joined together with love and to have the full confidence that comes from understanding. I want them to know completely the secret truth that God has made known. That truth is Christ himself. 3 In him all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are kept safe.

4 I tell you this so that no one can fool you by telling you ideas that seem good, but are false. 5 Even though I am far away, my thoughts are always with you. I am happy to see your good lives and your strong faith in Christ.

Continue to Follow Christ Jesus
6 You accepted Christ Jesus as Lord, so continue to live following him. 7 You must depend on Christ only, drawing life and strength from him. Just as you were taught the truth, continue to grow stronger in your understanding of it. And never stop giving thanks to God.

8 Be sure you are not led away by the teaching of those who have nothing worth saying and only plan to deceive you. That teaching is not from Christ. It is only human tradition and comes from the powers that influence[a] this world. 9 I say this because all of God lives in Christ fully, even in his life on earth. 10 And because you belong to Christ you are complete, having everything you need. Christ is ruler over every other power and authority.

11 In Christ you had a different kind of circumcision, one that was not done by human hands. That is, you were made free from the power of your sinful self. That is the kind of circumcision Christ does. 12 When you were baptized, you were buried with Christ, and you were raised up with him because of your faith in God’s power. God’s power was shown when he raised Christ from death.

13 You were spiritually dead because of your sins and because you were not free from the power of your sinful self. But God gave you new life together with Christ. He forgave all our sins. 14 Because we broke God’s laws, we owed a debt—a debt that listed all the rules we failed to follow. But God forgave us of that debt. He took it away and nailed it to the cross. 15 He defeated the rulers and powers of the spiritual world. With the cross he won the victory over them and led them away, as defeated and powerless prisoners for the whole world to see.

Don’t Follow Rules That People Make
16 So don’t let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days). 17 In the past these things were like a shadow that showed what was coming. But the new things that were coming are found in Christ. 18 Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don’t listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don’t do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas. 19 They don’t keep themselves under the control of the head. Christ is the head, and the whole body depends on him. Because of Christ all the parts of the body care for each other and help each other. So the body is made stronger and held together as God causes it to grow.

20 You died with Christ and were made free from the powers that influence this world. So why do you act as if you still belong to the world? I mean, why do you follow rules like these: 21 “Don’t eat this,” “Don’t taste that,” “Don’t touch that”? 22 These rules are talking about earthly things that are gone after they are used. They are only human commands and teachings. 23 These rules may seem to be wise as part of a made-up religion in which people pretend to be humble and punish their bodies. But they don’t help people stop doing the evil that the sinful self wants to do.

Footnotes

Romans 14

Easy-to-Read Version



Don’t Criticize Others
14 Be willing to accept those who still have doubts about what believers can do. And don’t argue with them about their different ideas. 2 Some people believe they can eat any kind of food,[a] but those who have doubts eat only vegetables. 3 Those who know they can eat any kind of food must not feel that they are better than those who eat only vegetables. And those who eat only vegetables must not decide that those who eat all foods are wrong. God has accepted them. 4 You cannot judge the servants of someone else. Their own master decides if they are doing right or wrong. And the Lord’s servants will be right, because the Lord is able to make them right.
5 Some people might believe that one day is more important than another. And others might believe that every day is the same. Everyone should be sure about their beliefs in their own mind. 6 Those who think one day is more important than other days are doing that for the Lord. And those who eat all kinds of food are doing that for the Lord. Yes, they give thanks to God for that food. And those who refuse to eat some foods do that for the Lord. They also give thanks to God.
7 We don’t live or die just for ourselves. 8 If we live, we are living for the Lord. And if we die, we are dying for the Lord. So living or dying, we belong to the Lord. 9 That is why Christ died and rose from death to live again—so that he could be Lord over those who have died and those who are living.
10 So why do you judge your brother or sister in Christ? Or why do you think that you are better than they are? We will all stand before God, and he will judge us all. 11 Yes, the Scriptures say,
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘Everyone will bow before me;
everyone will say that I am God.’”
12 So each of us will have to explain to God about the things we do.
Don’t Cause Others to Sin
13 So we should stop judging each other. Let’s decide not to do anything that will cause a problem for a brother or sister or hurt their faith. 14 I know that there is no food that is wrong to eat. The Lord Jesus is the one who convinced me of that. But if someone believes that something is wrong, then it is wrong for that person.
15 If you hurt the faith of your brother or sister because of something you eat, you are not really following the way of love. Don’t destroy anyone’s faith by eating something they think is wrong. Christ died for them. 16 Don’t allow what is good for you to become something they say is evil. 17 In God’s kingdom, what we eat and drink is not important. Here is what is important: a right way of life, peace, and joy—all from the Holy Spirit. 18 Whoever serves Christ by living this way is pleasing God, and they will be accepted by others.
19 So let’s try as hard as we can to do what will bring peace. Let’s do whatever will help each other grow stronger in faith. 20 Don’t let the eating of food destroy the work of God. All food is right to eat, but it is wrong for anyone to eat something that hurts the faith of another person. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything else that hurts the faith of your brother or sister.
22 You should keep your beliefs about these things a secret between yourself and God. It is a blessing to be able to do what you think is right without feeling guilty. 23 But anyone who eats something without being sure it is right is doing wrong. That is because they did not believe it was right. And if you do anything that you believe is not right, it is sin.
Footnotes

1. Romans 14:2 any kind of food The Jewish law said there were some foods that Jews could not eat. When they became followers of Christ, some of them did not understand that they could now eat all foods.

5 Some people might believe that one day is more important than another. And others might believe that every day is the same. Everyone should be sure about their beliefs in their own mind. 6 Those who think one day is more important than other days are doing that for the Lord.

Your Quote from Scripture:
4 I tell you this so that no one can fool you by telling you ideas that seem good, but are false.

i think this is the main issue going on here.

i did not perceive 'the day of the week' or 'what to eat' being the issue here in this thread but something of Eternal Worth: righteousness through the Law versus Christ Alone and His Righteousness.

Peace unto you and to all who call upon the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ

I have said it so many times but people still accuse me of righteousness by works.
Obeying the law can not save anyone, our effort to be good enough will never make us right with God.

All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Keeping the law will not justify our past sins.

Jesus gave His life and that is the only way by which we can stand justified and righteous. By Jesus we can be saved.

Do we then make void the law through grace? Because Jesus is able to cover my sin, do i continue to sin?

The choice to obey the law because He is a loving God is not me trying to be righteous by my works but my love and faith manifested in actions.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Couldn't the same be said for the 10 commandments in that case?

I'm looking at some posts and the quotes make my head spin. It is like another language to me and I don't know how you have so easily decrypted it.

Thanks for posting the verses.


I wish it was as simple as you make it sound, but we have to remember:

Revelation 12:9

9 The huge dragon was hurled down. That ancient serpent, called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world, was hurled down to the earth, along with its angels.

I believe there is a lot of confusion around John 19 and Matthew 5 because of church tradition and language/translation.

There are four words that are found in these sections that are similar, but do not always convey the same message when used interchangeably.... Fulfill, Come to be/Came to be, Finish and Accomplish.

The word fulfill is the most distinct of the four, and means "to carry into effect" or "to make whole". This commonly refers to something that was said will happen (hence prophesy), and to make that prophesy happen is to "fulfill" it.

That is the Greek word found at the end of Matthew 5:17:


Matthew 5:17

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn’t come to destroy them, but to fulfill them,


This is also the same word found in Luke 24:44:

Luke 24:44

44 Then he told them, “These are the words that I spoke to you while I was still with you—that everything written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms had to be fulfilled.”


The same Greek word can not be found in John 19:28-30, but rather you see the words that are generally translated as finish and accomplish. So I believe those words in that passage should be translated something like this...


John 19:28-30

28 After this, when Jesus realized that everything was now finished, he said (in order to accomplish the Scripture), “I’m thirsty.” 29 A jar of sour wine was standing there, so they put a sponge full of the wine on a branch of hyssop and held it to his mouth. 30 After Jesus had taken the wine, he said, “It is finished.” Then he bowed his head and released his spirit.


Now the fact that the same word for "fulfill" is not specifically mentioned in this passage of John does not necessarily mean that this is not where the Messiah "fulfills" the law..... However, as we just saw in Luke 24:44, everything written about him in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms had to be fulfilled. So the question is, do you believe that there is no prophesies about the Messiah's second coming in those writings?

Why isn't it a possibility that "it is finished" in John 28:30 can't just be referring to the Messiah's role in the flesh? Or what about the possibilty that he was just referring to the scripture he accomplished from verse 28?


For the sake of argument, let's just say that the law was "fulfilled" here at the Messiah's death and there aren't still components of law to be fulfilled at the second coming.... We still have an issue in Mathew 5.

Now this is a literal translation, so it may look a little weird; but I'm only using it to point out two words...


Matthew 5:17-18

Young's Literal Translation

17 `Do not suppose that I came to throw down the law or the prophets -- I did not come to throw down, but to fulfill;
18 for, verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to pass.


Now the KJV uses the word "fulfil" in both verses when it is not the same Greek word. Why is this important? Because it helps us understand that "fulfilling" the law in verse 17 is not the same as all "coming to pass" in verse 18... which needs to happen in order for the law to pass away.

When you look for the same words in their original language in scripture, everything starts to line up. Both Luke 16:17 and Mathew 5:18 say that none of the law will disappear until "heaven and earth pass". So where in scripture can we find heaven and earth passing as well as the same word in Greek that the KJV translated as "fulfill" in Mathew 5:18??? :


Revelation 21:1-6

21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and the first earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone. 2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
3 I heard a loud voice from the throne say,
“See, the tent of God is among humans!
He will make his home with them,
and they will be his people.
God himself will be with them,
and he will be their God.
4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes.
There won’t be death anymore.
There won’t be any grief, crying, or pain,
because the first things have disappeared.”
5 The one sitting on the throne said, “See, I am making all things new!”
He said, “Write this: ‘These words are trustworthy and true.’”
6 Then he told me, “It has happened! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will freely give a drink from the spring of the water of life to the one who is thirsty.


Where it says "it has happened" is the same Greek word used in Mathew 5:18. This passage in Revelation fulfills that verse, not John 19:28-30.


To "fulfil the law" means to make it whole by carrying out what it says.... It does not mean to remove it or replace it. That will happen at the second coming as stated in Rev 21:1-6.

The covenants before the Messiah's death required penalties (curses) here on earth when someone sinned (broke the law). At least we agree that there is no new law.

I think it means RELAX, chill out, and take a bath. At least once a week. Make sure the water is nice and hot.

We are talking about the penalty of sin. Which was around before there was a law.

The law god gave moses had a purpose. That purpose was fulfilled in Christ.

How would you define Legalism? and how does that contrast to what you believe?

You are right that the big ten are addressed to Israel only. Read them in context, that fact is at the top.

The "penalty of sin" was not around before breaking law. The definition of sin is literally "breaking God's law". When I say law, I'm speaking of all of the Father's instructions to mankind. Law existed before moses:


Genesis 26:5

5 I’m going to do this because Abraham did what I told him to do. He kept my instructions, commands, statutes, and laws.”

Great now I have to bathe in the lake once a week. My Wife told me it was OK once a month and not at all in the winter.

read to here, nice discussion

Revelation 12:9

9 The huge dragon was hurled down. That ancient serpent, called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world, was hurled down to the earth, along with its angels.

I believe there is a lot of confusion around John 19 and Matthew 5 because of church tradition and language/translation.

There are four words that are found in these sections that are similar, but do not always convey the same message when used interchangeably.... Fulfill, Come to be/Came to be, Finish and Accomplish.

The word fulfill is the most distinct of the four, and means "to carry into effect" or "to make whole". This commonly refers to something that was said will happen (hence prophesy), and to make that prophesy happen is to "fulfill" it.

That is the Greek word found at the end of Matthew 5:17:


Matthew 5:17

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn’t come to destroy them, but to fulfill them,


This is also the same word found in Luke 24:44:

Luke 24:44

44 Then he told them, “These are the words that I spoke to you while I was still with you—that everything written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms had to be fulfilled.”


The same Greek word can not be found in John 19:28-30, but rather you see the words that are generally translated as finish and accomplish. So I believe those words in that passage should be translated something like this...


John 19:28-30

28 After this, when Jesus realized that everything was now finished, he said (in order to accomplish the Scripture), “I’m thirsty.” 29 A jar of sour wine was standing there, so they put a sponge full of the wine on a branch of hyssop and held it to his mouth. 30 After Jesus had taken the wine, he said, “It is finished.” Then he bowed his head and released his spirit.


Now the fact that the same word for "fulfill" is not specifically mentioned in this passage of John does not necessarily mean that this is not where the Messiah "fulfills" the law..... However, as we just saw in Luke 24:44, everything written about him in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms had to be fulfilled. So the question is, do you believe that there is no prophesies about the Messiah's second coming in those writings?

Why isn't it a possibility that "it is finished" in John 19:30 can't just be referring to the Messiah's role in the flesh? Or what about the possibilty that he was just referring to the scripture he accomplished from verse 28?


For the sake of argument, let's just say that the law was "fulfilled" here at the Messiah's death and there aren't still components of law to be fulfilled at the second coming.... We still have an issue in Mathew 5.

Now this is a literal translation, so it may look a little weird; but I'm only using it to point out two words...


Matthew 5:17-18

Young's Literal Translation

17 `Do not suppose that I came to throw down the law or the prophets -- I did not come to throw down, but to fulfill;
18 for, verily I say to you, till that the heaven and the earth may pass away, one iota or one tittle may not pass away from the law, till that all may come to pass.


Now the KJV uses the word "fulfil" in both verses when it is not the same Greek word. Why is this important? Because it helps us understand that "fulfilling" the law in verse 17 is not the same as all "coming to pass" in verse 18... which needs to happen in order for the law to pass away.

When you look for the same words in their original language in scripture, everything starts to line up. Both Luke 16:17 and Mathew 5:18 say that none of the law will disappear until "heaven and earth pass". So where in scripture can we find heaven and earth passing as well as the same word in Greek that the KJV translated as "fulfill" in Mathew 5:18??? :


Revelation 21:1-6

21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and the first earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone. 2 I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
3 I heard a loud voice from the throne say,
“See, the tent of God is among humans!
He will make his home with them,
and they will be his people.
God himself will be with them,
and he will be their God.
4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes.
There won’t be death anymore.
There won’t be any grief, crying, or pain,
because the first things have disappeared.”
5 The one sitting on the throne said, “See, I am making all things new!”
He said, “Write this: ‘These words are trustworthy and true.’”
6 Then he told me, “It has happened! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will freely give a drink from the spring of the water of life to the one who is thirsty.


Where it says "it has happened" is the same Greek word used in Mathew 5:18. This passage in Revelation fulfills that verse, not John 19:28-30.


To "fulfil the law" means to make it whole by carrying out what it says.... It does not mean to remove it or replace it. That will happen at the second coming as stated in Rev 21:1-6. We are still supposed to follow law until that time.

That’s funny. god told Adam the moment he sinned he would die. (The penalty)
the law was given to prove to everyone we have sinned and fallen short. It was nit given to show us how to live. The ten commands written on stone are called the ministers of death. Because anyone who broke even 1 received the death sentence (spiritual death)
when people try to make them as a means on how to live. They destroy the purpose of the law. And will never find out how to live. Because that’s not why they were given
the Jews messed that up and people like you are following in their footsteps