Where do you get that? James death is recorded in Acts. Herod had him killed. According to tradition, the Romans killed Peter.
Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people
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Where do you get that? James death is recorded in Acts. Herod had him killed. According to tradition, the Romans killed Peter.
If you look at demon activity that Christ pointed to, you find that Christ said demons were behind things we account as physiological or psychological problems such as blind and deafness or epilepsy. We need to be more aware of the truth of demon activity, not less aware.
....he also killed Jesus.
1 cor 2
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Iow there are spirits operating.
Demon viscious spirits.
Stalking believers that are known in hell.
The disciples , apostles and Jesus are/were known in hell.
Jesus introduced himself to satan immediately after he recieved his ministry and priesthood.
Now we, at that same baptism get marked as well
Yes
That is why Jesus declared of those that sought to kill him, "you are of your father the devil"
....and why peter was called satan even though he was peter.
Demon spirits operating
Are you aware you are trolling like a boss?????
I rebuke that daffy duck spirit off of you!
Lol
Too funny
So now i will read all your posts with a daffy duck voice.
Lol
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Hi to you beautiful Christians, May the lord bless you and keepso I just found an online spell checker, hope this helps. The thing i didn't like about the online spell checker was it gives Satan a capital letter,, oh well... what I can say other than there seems to be a lot of that going on here,
This topic is a bit of a pain really, so many people claiming they know more than others, thus claiming they know Satan better than other people, when they really do not, its seems to get derailed in many places this thread, A Christian getting seen as bad for pointing out the ways of Satan, has to be a crime for me. Wow, you know we really are in trouble, any ways.
Some people will go on the defensive about predestination, I know some people will get really upset about that one, and some consider it heresy. But to be honest people protect the nature of God in many ways (with I can't see God being that way) but don't protect the nature of God in other ways, the amount of times I hear this is a doctrine from Satan not from God is high. Especially the doctrine that says a Christian can lose their salvation. Or if I was to ask does God allow Christians to be oppressed by demons, most Christians will say no God does not allow that one, demons do that one on their own accord. Then you say hang on a minute, didn't you say demons obey God. There seems to be a stark contrast for many issues in our bible that leave you puzzled, like this one you mentioned God created everything. But yet this suggests otherwise.
1 In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
This is indicating darkness was already here above and there's indication in other places (like Jesus saying Satan was a murderer in the beginning), but there's also a stark contrast to suggest otherwise in other parts of the bible, (like i the lord created calamity, but then there's a stark contrast for that, (like i the lord is not the author of confusion). There's seems an argument a confliction for everything, a sadistic nature is something Christians would say is a doctrine from Satan, but at the end of the day who really wants knowledge of all good and evil ?,,, talking about darkness all the time unless you know how to overcome fear and see the light really can start to mess with your head after a while. Perhaps the reason why we get oppressed by evil in the form of temptation or demonic attacks, demons do it to bring their fear or their talk into the world, through us, they rule out of fear, and then It's not so much we have come to know all knowledge of Good and evil of our own accord but something that is forced upon many. We see the preachers who become obsessed with the hell speech and preach it over and over again, witnessing someone that way inclined is like witnessing a devil. I guess the reason why so many churches just do prayers and read Good parts only from the bible.
Demons oppressing Christians and making them worry and nervous is something most Christians will become protective of and immediately support that person, but to a demon that is glorified temptation, because he knows when the person become full of anxiety or nervous there more likely to sin out of fear, The highest reason for sin i would say is proving they have to do something that there not scared etc. (glorified temptation i call it, and the bible is riddled with acts of sin that in my opinion has been committed out of Glorified temptation. Satan glorifies temptation in the person he is tempting in many ways, like how beautiful it would be to experience drugs, or are you afraid to lose your life. Do you call your self a man ? Are you scared ? The pleasure of good feeling is your reward.
Or in other cases, demons totally gain control of a person's mind. Even children, they hate children, and can have a child so mentally ill by the time they've finished with them that the child takes their own life. Because after a demon has got a child to mess up they then scare them with punishment, out of a fear a child kills them self or run away. Children can so easily develop a trauma or panic (nervous disorder).
Demons don't really care about that, and I have witnessed it.
As for predestination, it's a topic that's good in some ways but horrible in other ways. It can sound quite cruel to some, as well can be soul-destroying and demoralizing for a person. Personally, and this is my belief, that the horrible side of predestination comes and happens to a person who is demon possessed(and there are billions of people I fear are possessed). This is my belief that Satan and his cronies have all knowledge of abilities and supernatural powers as written in the bible, and are able to set the course of a persons' life they possess(but not on the authority of God). it's not until the person hands his life over to Jesus, it is only then you come into a better pre destination. There is something to pr destination because I've had the dreams in my sleep that come real before today.
You can't honestly debate anything I said when you begin by dishonestly attacking a statement from your imagination.
Maybe you should commit to introspection and ask yourself why you see God as an evil puppet master.
Because I never said that.
I'm responding to your post because aggressive people feigning righteousness have already lost any argument they propose. You're near that but not quite as young in thought or presentation.
Everything I observed is garnered from the scriptures.
You and the other one demonstrate what was observed in my post. You believe in the Bible but you can't accept what God tells you about himself.
Look it up. God tells you Satan has no power but what God allows.
God is Sovereign over his creation.
If the fall wasn't predestined, the tree that would give Adam and Eve the same consciousness as God , if that knowledge was forbidden them, would not have been created by God.
And don't forget. The Christian aspires to Christ consciousness. The mind of Christ.
Christ, Emmanuel, was God.
In the beginning.
Was the word. And the word was with God and the word was God.
Read the Old Testament.
I dare you.
We, as people, are already possessed by God consciousness.
Only everything we do that is labeled sin, is everything God did that we label divine righteous power, authority, and retribution.
Do you not know what it is that we ask for Salvation from? The human nature God predestined us to have because he did not forgive the first innocent mistake, due to their innocence, Adam and Eve made. When they listened to the serpent God let enter Eden.
How is Heaven paradise when God's angels sinned against him?
How was Eden paradise when our adversary, not God's, was allowed to enter Eden? And if it wasn't by God's planning, how did the serpent know of that singular forbidden tree so as to slither into it and lead Eve to eat of its God given fruit?
Salvation? Is asking to be saved from God. But, as he tells you, and it isn't Calvin's invention that he borrowed from someone else, it's God's own words. No one comes to Jesus (God), unless God calls them.
"Elect of God."
And those one's? Are the ones who have their name written in God's Lamb's Book of Life.
And that book? God tells you in his word. Was written before the foundation of the world. Before God created the world.
Before Eden. Before the tree of knowledge. Before the fall.
God wrote the names of those he'd call to salvation before the fall.
Deuteronomy 12:30-32
"For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
Genesis 3:22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil;...
If Satan was cast down at that point, how would he know about the fruit of that tree?
Remember. God gave Satan his permission to destroy Job's life, including killing his family, so that Omniscient Sovereign God would win a wager with Satan.
Satan returned to Heaven after he was cast out.
Was Job the first victim of such a test? Or was Adam and Eve?
What would the Lambs Book of Life mean if not for the fall?
You believe in God. But you try to rework to your satisfaction what he tells you of himself.
Acts 4:27–28
for truly in this city there were gathered together against your uholy servant Jesus, vwhom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, 28 to do whatever your hand and your plan had predestined to take place.
Proverbs 16:9 A man's heart deviseth his way: but the Lord directeth his steps.
The human proposes. God disposes.
We think we have free choices to do as we wish. But God tells us even that is our delusion. When we follow God's leading, we're following his plan.
What did God tell Jeremiah in chapter 29:11?
John 9:41 "Jesus said to them, 'If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, 'We see,' your sin remains.'"
Get it?
I think when man first believed they can only know God from reading a book, man then became their own God.
Someone once asked, what is the purpose of man writing the Bible? While claiming its contents are divinely inspired?
My answer? Control. Through fear.
I know God exists. Faith is a hope it's true. But when you know, the Bible suddenly becomes just a book written by men who sought to control the world in the name of a power they invoked so as not to be questioned.
Notice something about the Bible? Never in its printing history has "God's Word" appeared on the cover.
Instead? Holy Book. Holy Bibles,Bible.
You know the old adage? "Let go and let God."
I've done that. It's an amazing lesson, teaching, if you can set aside the natural inclination to react to your life. Rather than think you can change it as it happens.
There's another saying. "When God hates all the same people as you do, you've made God in your image and likeness."
I think the reason there are people who refuse to read the Bible critically rather than personally is for that very reason.
I've even met self identifying Christians who on one hand will say they pray for sinners, while on the other they are satisfied those they pray for are going to Hell. Because "they choose to" by their behaviors.
They so look forward to Heaven. Yet, that the kingdom of God is within, escapes their understanding.
God finds a way. That I think is why in scripture God told us to test the spirits.
God is the source of all that exists. All, is of and from God.
I know God will lead us to find his truth. I think part of that what God has purposed in that regard is to lead us to test those spirits by realizing man's book is not inerrant.
Realizing that makes it easier to recognize God being perfect source of all that is, was, shall be, would never "talk like that". Because God is not the author of confusion.
Well, we'll stick to what you said puppet master.
Can't be a puppet master if you give someone a choice and they make their own choice.
Foreknowledge and causing or forcing something to happen are completely different things.
Who sinned? Adam and Eve. Why? They went against the commandment of God. He didn't force them to obey that was their choice.
Ive read it several times.
All the rest you wrote is just pretty much your own thoughts and conjecture. And yes, I can tell they run pretty deep.
God is sovereign. He doesn't play by the rules of man. He makes the rules and gives us a choice to follow them or not.
Yet, here you are trying to blame God...with statements such as why did he even allow the serpent in the garden...How was heaven paradise if the angels sinned? Do you not see how foolish that is to question and blame your maker?
For the rest, it's been a long night so I'm not even going to go through it. There really is not point in it because it is just a few misapplied scriptures and conjecture.
This part, I do agree with.
The rest is conjecture.
Usually, the one's looking so forward to heading to heaven while everyone else in their view is heading to hell are the "elected" by Calvin's Theology.
They believe God chose them and they're special. Yet, believes he chose others for hell without giving them any chance at redemption.
These are the cold hearted beasts that try to limit the atonement. Trampling on the blood of Jesus in doing so.
Following after Calvin, the King of heretics.
hi @SophieT welcome its no nice to see you, where have you been hiding,just peeked into this thread...so much confusion and messed up doctrine
then again, the title alone......
pretty sure some folks have a version of the Bible that is by special order only
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If we could Just all reframe from thinking of each as bad whilst we cover Satans heretic ideas that would be great thankyou.
I hope you dont mind but i would like the whole house to hear my reply to you and answer if they feal the need too.
The scripture says in Isaiah That Satan has a fantasy of being in heaven, (I will exalt my self higher than the heavens.) Now in the mind of dreamers fantasies become reality to them, all tho there not. Satan believing he is God is an utter delusion based on his own imagination. His imagination takes flight in many other scriptures where he clearly thinks he is God and is from heaven representing heaven. Sadly, many of his followers have thought this to, who have unknowingly followed him throughout the ages and been deceived. Just like you, sadly.
Now just a word of precaution here and a plea for Prudence and honor amongst an unfortunate den of thieves. Because that is what were in danger of becoming, if we could just reframe from insulting each other, and accusing each other of being a heretic, that would be great, make no mistake about it Satan is a heretic and were covering his heretic fantasies not ours.
I also ask that you dont close any more lids because God wants me to show you more sacred scripture.
SophieT said:
do you know who Lucifer was? (I'm not really asking cause I don't think it means a fig newton to you what anyone says)
God created Lucifer, who became the devil, when he decided he would take God's place
seems you just make it up as you go along and when you get caught in error, you say 'I meant to say.....fill in the blank'
like a tap that won't quit dripping
the bottom line is, the devil was once in heaven and knew God. you, maybe not so much
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If we could Just all reframe from thinking of each as bad whilst we cover Satans heretic ideas that would be great thankyou.
I hope you dont mind but i would like the whole house to hear my reply to you and answer if they feal the need too.
The scripture says in Isaiah That Satan has a fantasy of being in heaven, (I will exalt my self higher than the heavens.) Now in the mind of dreamers fantasies become reality to them, all tho there not. Satan believing he is God is an utter delusion based on his own imagination. His imagination takes flight in many other scriptures where he clearly thinks he is God and is from heaven representing heaven. Sadly, many of his followers have thought this to, who have unknowingly followed him throughout the ages and been deceived. Just like you, sadly.
Now just a word of precaution here and a plea for Prudence and honor amongst an unfortunate den of thieves. Because that is what were in danger of becoming, if we could just reframe from insulting each other, and accusing each other of being a heretic, that would be great, make no mistake about it Satan is a heretic and were covering his heretic fantasies not ours.
I also ask that you dont close any more lids because God wants me to show you more sacred scripture.
do you know who Lucifer was? (I'm not really asking cause I don't think it means a fig newton to you what anyone says)
God created Lucifer, who became the devil, when he decided he would take God's place
seems you just make it up as you go along and when you get caught in error, you say 'I meant to say.....fill in the blank'
like a tap that won't quit dripping
the bottom line is, the devil was once in heaven and knew God. you, maybe not so much
@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade @Rolly @Nehemiah6 @presidente @posthuman @Kidron @azsheepdog @DrGuyPhD @Icedaisey @GRACE_ambassador @CS1 @Ogom @Blik @Icedaisey
If we could Just all reframe from thinking of each as bad whilst we cover Satans heretic ideas that would be great thankyou.
I hope you dont mind but i would like the whole house to hear my reply to you and answer if they feal the need too.
The scripture says in Isaiah That Satan has a fantasy of being in heaven, (I will exalt my self higher than the heavens.) Now in the mind of dreamers fantasies become reality to them, all tho there not. Satan believing he is God is an utter delusion based on his own imagination. His imagination takes flight in many other scriptures where he clearly thinks he is God and is from heaven representing heaven. Sadly, many of his followers have thought this to, who have unknowingly followed him throughout the ages and been deceived. Just like you, sadly.
Now just a word of precaution here and a plea for Prudence and honor amongst an unfortunate den of thieves. Because that is what were in danger of becoming, if we could just reframe from insulting each other, and accusing each other of being a heretic, that would be great, make no mistake about it Satan is a heretic and were covering his heretic fantasies not ours.
I also ask that you dont close any more lids because God wants me to show you more sacred scripture.
When you go personal on members, open debate is usually lost.
Try concept vs concept.
Most all here believe Gods word is solid and they stand on that.
If you begin, as you do, from some other basis, about all you have left is conjecture and opinion.
Nobody can challenge you.
You retreat into a hurt spirit of offence.
After rereading this, I probably should have reframed my wording last night. I now doubt you're even a Calvinist. He would probably have never went that far.
If you can't believe in the Word of God then you have a real problem. I don't know what your problem is... only you know that. I'm not sure if there are elements that you don't like, or if you just want to come up with some fairytale in your head?
Not being able to understand the scriptures and put them together rightly is one thing...but then to denounce and cast doubt on the scripture to follow along with your own imagination is completely dangerous.
Go ahead and let Go and let God...but there are checks and balances in this and when you come to a point that your own thoughts don't match and even denounces the scripture, then you have really let go and let the wrong spirit take control.
You try the spirits through the Word of God. If it don't match up with the Word of God then it is the wrong spirit.
When there is misunderstanding of scripture, you can be assured scripture isn't wrong ...
If there seems to be a conflict with scripture...you are wrong, I am wrong, and whoever else is wrong, but scripture is never wrong.
Also you seem to want to pick a few scriptures to quote while throwing the others out ...saying the Bible is just man made for control.
You can't do that. You can't pick and chose from the verses... You can't divide it and keep the parts you like, but take the others out. You can either take the "whole thing" or you can take "none".
It's not McDonalds...we can't have it our way. It's God's way or no way.
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SophieT
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I cannot see the use in denying scripture as you and several others here are doing
you have an extremely negative and false view of God. I just do not want and I pray, no one else 'catches' whatever it is that causes you to be so negative
we are not puppets as you think and state. we are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb and are a new creation in Christ
I pray God opens up your eyes to those truths...even today...and that you can rejoice in Him rather than dumping negative thoughts into this forum
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SophieT
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you really are getting bold in revealing who and what you are at this point
I am saved by the blood of Christ and Jesus is Lord and He is my Lord
the devil is defeated and his end is the lake of fire
Praise God!
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Revelation 20:10