Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

[Absolutely]

correction you have threatened me many times. even your avatar is a threat and your username. so once again grow up

God hates lying.

You can not substantiate that.

= trolling.

 

[Absolutely]

correction you stop acting like you do, so this is enough tit for tat for me now. I gave you ample oppertunity to be civil. you spat it right back at me. so this is just a taste of your own medicine. but no doubt you wont except responcability, and i will have to put you on another weeks ignor

...lol you can not prove otherwise.
In fact...what exactly does it say?

You do not know.

Comical.

 

[Absolutely]

Im sorry i have a hard time believing Jesus allow glorified temptation by not preventing it in the first place

That is because of a misunderstanding of the fall, the devil, the new covenant, judgement, and the authority of the believer.

You = God allows this or that.

Reality= God asking us, " why are you allowing that? ( that would be mat 18:18.

 

[Absolutely]

"""Ill go through some of those lies
Satan tells adam and eve they will surely live if they eat from the tree of life.
Satan is walking around as an angel of light.
The enemy is a liar and a thief.
The enemy is the great deciever.
jacob decieves his father.
satan will set him self up as God in this world.
Satan will exalt himself higher than the heavens."""

Which one is a lie?
Or should we say , " in your mind which one is a lie"

You made the claim
Post the verses

Still waiting for an answer.

Waiting

Waiting

 

[Absolutely]

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Psalm 103
New International Version

Psalm 103
Of David.
1 Praise the Lord, my soul;
all my inmost being, praise his holy name.
2 Praise the Lord, my soul,
and forget not all his benefits—
3 who forgives all your sins
and heals all your diseases,
4 who redeems your life from the pit
and crowns you with love and compassion,
5 who satisfies your desires with good things
so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.

6 The Lord works righteousness
and justice for all the oppressed. From all who are oppressed.(from demons)

7 He made known his ways to Moses,
his deeds to the people of Israel:
8 The Lord is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love.
9 He will not always accuse, (Satan is the wicked accuser day and night of Gods children)
nor will he harbor his anger forever; (satan will)
10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve (satan does)
or repay us according to our iniquities. (satan does)
11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;
12 as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.

13 As a father has compassion on his children,
so the Lord has compassion on those who fear him;
14 for he knows how we are formed,
he remembers that we are dust.
15 The life of mortals is like grass,
they flourish like a flower of the field;
16 the wind blows over it and it is gone,
and its place remembers it no more.
17 But from everlasting to everlasting
the Lord’s love is with those who fear him,
and his righteousness with their children’s children—
18 with those who keep his covenant
and remember to obey his precepts. (Satan deosnt do this)

19 The Lord has established his throne in heaven,
and his kingdom rules over all.

20 Praise the Lord, you his angels,
you mighty ones who do his bidding,
who obey his word.
21 Praise the Lord, all his heavenly hosts,
you his servants who do his will.
22 Praise the Lord, all his works
everywhere in his dominion.
Praise the Lord, my soul.

All the disciples were killed by satan, save John.
Most all the apostles also.

Martyrdom is the greatest honor.

Satan stalks oppresses and kills believers.

Are you saying he doesn't?

 

[Absolutely]

one troll after the next, this is why i have ignored you

look up " troll"....might help your understanding.

Comical i am on ignore but you reply snidely and ugly to 10 of my posts.

My posts are so excellent you can not handle it.

Lol

Just joking dude.

But they really are excellent.
Lol

 

[Absolutely]

Mad mans explanation

As far as i know, Job never knew the devil was attacking him.
But it is a fact that satan and God were working together in that God actually provoked satan to attack Job.
It appears to me also that God never told Job it was satan attacking.

 

[1ofthem]

You, I, every person, are God's puppets. Living all that God predestined by his will and for his glory.

The thing is, there are those who shall read this and go on the defensive.
Because they believe in the Bible. But oddly enough they can't accept what God tells them about himself.

There is nothing in existence that was created by anything other than God.

Well, here I AM!

Doesn't seem like many have took up the cause to debate this nonsense.

But seriously I or no one else has to defend God's character. He is more than capable of defending it himself.

God is a God of many characteristics and has many personality traits.

He is loving, just, good, holy, and all that is good and honest.

He is also a God of wrath, judgement, and justice.

Like I said, he has many characteristics; however, "evil puppet master" isn't one of them. Anyone who thinks it is, needs to sincerely pray for wisdom and review the scriptures.

All that you have stated in your post is the main reason that scripture tells us we need to study to show ourselves approved and rightly divide the word of God. The scriptures are spiritually discerned so reading through it with a natural/carnal eye and just taking a few verses to try to form a doctrine leads to confusion and misunderstanding.

I don't claim to know it all. I'm still learning, but I can debate each one of the points you have made simply be reading the scriptures and taking the whole message together.

1 Giving a law isn't evil nor does it create evil. Evil was created by the individual (satan/man/whoever) that did not follow God's commandment. God didn't make evil. He allows it to stand for now, but we know what he is going to do with it in the end. He does allow the evil to grow with the good, but in the end he is going to separate them and destroy evil. He isn't tempted of evil and doesn't temp any man with evil. He is not rooting for evil or working with it. He is going to destroy it in the end. Again, we gain this understanding by taking in the whole scriptures and rightly dividing the Word of God. (Spiritually discerned)

2. Predestined doesn't mean what Calvin taught. Calvinist have a few misapplied scriptures to try to uphold the false, evil, heresy that God creates some folks to burn for no other reason than he wants to. Many study the scripture in vain trying to hold up some perverse theology. In order, to up hold that heresy they have to completely twist the other scriptures because their position cannot be rightly divided with the other scriptures.

God is not an evil puppet master!

 

[de-emerald]

Peter pepper

look up " troll"....might help your understanding.

Comical i am on ignore but you reply snidely and ugly to 10 of my posts.

My posts are so excellent you can not handle it.

Lol

Just joking dude.

But they really are excellent.
Lol

Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers;
A peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked;
If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers,
Where's the peck of pickled peppers Peter Piper picked?

 

[de-emerald]

All the disciples were killed by satan, save John.
Most all the apostles also.

Martyrdom is the greatest honor.

Satan stalks oppresses and kills believers.

Are you saying he doesn't?

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck,
If a woodchuck could chuck wood?

 

[de-emerald]

Still waiting for an answer.

Waiting

Waiting

Betty Botter bought some butter;
"But," said she, "this butter's bitter!
If I put it in my batter
It will make my batter bitter.
But a bit o' better butter
Will but make my batter better."
Then she bought a bit o’ butter
Better than the bitter butter,
Made her bitter batter better.
So 'twas better Betty Botter
Bought a bit o’ better butter.

 

[de-emerald]

God hates lying.

You can not substantiate that.

= trolling.

She sells seashells on the sea shore.
The shells she sells are seashells, I'm sure.
And if she sells seashells on the sea shore,
Then I'm sure she sells seashore shells.

 

[de-emerald]

As far as i know, Job never knew the devil was attacking him.
But it is a fact that satan and God were working together in that God actually provoked satan to attack Job.
It appears to me also that God never told Job it was satan attacking.

I scream, you scream,
We all scream for ice cream.

 

[1ofthem]

Betty Botter bought some butter;
"But," said she, "this butter's bitter!
If I put it in my batter
It will make my batter bitter.
But a bit o' better butter
Will but make my batter better."
Then she bought a bit o’ butter
Better than the bitter butter,
Made her bitter batter better.
So 'twas better Betty Botter
Bought a bit o’ better butter.

I've never heard that one before....Guess, you can learn something new everyday....lol

 

[de-emerald]

All the disciples were killed by satan, save John.
Most all the apostles also.

Martyrdom is the greatest honor.

Satan stalks oppresses and kills believers.

Are you saying he doesn't?

Pad kid poured curd pulled cod

 

[de-emerald]

I've never heard that one before....Guess, you can learn something new everyday....lol

lol i like that one two its great

 

[SophieT]

That is because of a misunderstanding of the fall, the devil, the new covenant, judgement, and the authority of the believer.

You = God allows this or that.

Reality= God asking us, " why are you allowing that? ( that would be mat 18:18.

just peeked into this thread...so much confusion and messed up doctrine

then again, the title alone......

pretty sure some folks have a version of the Bible that is by special order only

 

[Blik]

Yes your quite right there, Jesus said to satan away from me, which is the same thing as get away from me. Also get away from me would imply i dont want to know you, So i ment to say Jessu said get away from me to satan i dont want to know you. and i ment to say satan never knew God, which ill show you now.

mathew 4:10 Jesus speaking. 10“Away from Me, Satan!” Jesus declared. “For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’

You see satan does not serve God. its a bit of a contrast when we see scripture that implies God has allowed satan to torment,. plus the fact if God is allowing satan to be the tempter, why is he going to chuck satan in the lake of fire ?

Ok this quote also addresses @SomeDisciple post as well,
Jesus Is Tested in the Wilderness
4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Where does it say the holy spirit allowed it ? have you ever read sentence 1 and asked the question, did the holy spirit know Jesus would be tempted, was it was inevitable Jesus would be tempted, seing as the mathew calls satan the tempter in the next verse ? 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

You see also this verse also addresses @SomeDisciple who says God clearly knows satan.

Satan quotes “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”.

Notice the word if, Satan doesnt know who Jesus is. well he should know shouldnt he if hes met him in heaven in the story of Job.

As a christian you have to Go with what Jesus says, he is God and quite possibly demons are not even from God. where not created by God at all. they come from the darkness, not the light and have told hundreds of lies about them selves in the minds of people in our bible . Jesus is the prince of light, satan is the prince of darkness. Jesus calls satan the father of all lies.
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Darkness resided in the area first when the earth was void, which means we are in a battle for terroity. which can be seen through out the bible, demons want terroity everywhere, and even gain terroity by stealing people into there line of thinking by getting inside peoples heads.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

God seperated the darkness and (demons) that was here in the beginning from the light when the earth was void.
God took there space with his light. the darkness and light are two seperate forces. the darkness wants its terroity back. but thats tough luck, God never stole it in the first place.

The battle in heavens is bewtween the darkness and light. the darkness (demons have not come from the light, the bible would suggest they have. but theese are only words. And we have to take into account the trickery that demons have to decieve peoples thoughts. every word they say is a lie. Jesus calls them the father of all lies. how can you trust the thoughts of satan in our bible in story of Job, if Jesus calls them the father of all lies.

You are very wordy without clearly getting to your point, you go around and around the bush. The bottom line that we are in last days when demons have taken control of the world. The Holy Spirit works in our world with Christians giving them Christian ideas, the demons are at work in the fleshly world opposing those ideas.

Even dedicated Christians feed their minds and souls with movies and TV. They teach that family has changed, that we are to be tolerant of disobedience to God for that is love, they oppose the idea of "the two shall become one" creating a family. Instead they teach lust.

Not long ago a popular and delightful TV sitcom called Bewitched taught that witches were good things doing good. Every one khinkss "The Force" as taught in a favorite movie is not an idol as in fact it is, it represents the one true God, and isn't that what idols are? Idols make a God of something that isn't God.

Demons are masters at using and twisting scripture. We need to know more, not less, of how they work so we can recognize and protect ourselves from the thoughts they are feeding us.

 

[SophieT]

Yes your quite right there, Jesus said to satan away from me, which is the same thing as get away from me. Also get away from me would imply i dont want to know you, So i ment to say Jessu said get away from me to satan i dont want to know you. and i ment to say satan never knew God, which ill show you now.

do you know who Lucifer was? (I'm not really asking cause I don't think it means a fig newton to you what anyone says)

God created Lucifer, who became the devil, when he decided he would take God's place

seems you just make it up as you go along and when you get caught in error, you say 'I meant to say.....fill in the blank'

like a tap that won't quit dripping

the bottom line is, the devil was once in heaven and knew God. you, maybe not so much

 

[SophieT]

Genesis tells us life is a wager God predestined.

Consider this.
After God created everything including the garden where he wanted the tree of knowledge, he declared it all very good. Not perfect.

If Adam and Eve were meant to live as created, no fall of humankind, God would not have called very good the creation that he predestined for fall.
We know that was predestined not just because a forbidden tree was planted by God in the garden but because before creation God wrote a book of the names of those whom he would call to salvation.

Before there existed anything to be saved or saved from.
Proverbs 16:9

If Satan is the Adversary of God, why did God let him live after the war in that other place of paradise, Heaven? And why did he then allow Satan to be Lord of this world after he insured sin would enter here through Satan's being allowed to tempt Eve? Who then tempted the man by whom sin entered the world?

Sin could only exist where the law exists.
God's first law.
Thou shalt not eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge God created.

You, I, every person, are God's puppets. Living all that God predestined by his will and for his glory.

The thing is, there are those who shall read this and go on the defensive.
Because they believe in the Bible. But oddly enough they can't accept what God tells them about himself.

There is nothing in existence that was created by anything other than God.

that whole post makes me go AAAAAAAARGH

so let me just address a few erroneous things

Genesis tells us life is a wager God predestined.

God is not playing a game with anyone. Genesis makes no such statement. that appears to be conjecture on your part and nothing more

Consider this.
After God created everything including the garden where he wanted the tree of knowledge, he declared it all very good. Not perfect.

yet Jesus said that God alone is good. musta been perfect then. you sure do take liberty with scripture

If Adam and Eve were meant to live as created, no fall of humankind, God would not have called very good the creation that he predestined for fall.
We know that was predestined not just because a forbidden tree was planted by God in the garden but because before creation God wrote a book of the names of those whom he would call to salvation.

more conjecture. if what you say is true, why then did God say this: 2 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand rand take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” 23 therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden sto work the ground from which he was taken. 24 He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life. Genesis 3

was God just being dramatic? or did He create robots....

If Satan is the Adversary of God, why did God let him live after the war in that other place of paradise, Heaven? And why did he then allow Satan to be Lord of this world after he insured sin would enter here through Satan's being allowed to tempt Eve? Who then tempted the man by whom sin entered the world?

the devil is also our adversary. it seems you are heading towards the following quote and trying to lead people there by submitting a form of logic that does not adhere to the biblical account...yet more conjecture

You, I, every person, are God's puppets. Living all that God predestined by his will and for his glory.

I could really get harsh here reading that some person actually would write we are God's puppets.

yet, more just plain dumb and erroneous insinuating yourself into the Bible

Jesus calls us His friends. we are not puppets.
No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because all things that I heard from My Father, I have made known to you. John 15:15

Jesus was talking to His disciples, but we are told that the Holy Spirit will also lead us into all truth, and make known to us the mind of the Father

you are so far off understanding what happened in the garden, the role of the devil and our own free will given by God, that you have managed to come up with your own version of events both in the garden and our relationship with God

we are not puppets. if that is your understanding, I guess you can blame God for everything you do...good or evil. That, would be the logical conclusion to your statement about puppets