America in Prophecy

Well, the difference is that we have all of the word of God at our finger tips. Therefore I am not going to abandon what I have been studying and what the Spirit of God has been revealing. In fact, I don't claim or teach anything that I am not completely sure of. And because of that, I have never had to go back and say to anyone that I was wrong about this or that.

If you want to abandon the obvious literal teaching of chapter 7 which demonstrates to different groups, defined by one being Israelites and the other Gentiles. And if you want to ignore the reference to one being 144,000 in number and the other being a number too large to count, then you are free to do that. But you won't be able to say to the Lord, "your word doesn't say that."

As for myself, I will go with what is written, instead of forcing the issue of a symbolic meaning.

I guarantee you that they are two separate groups, just as exactly as it says they are. There is no way that I would buy into the teaching that both groups mentioned are the same group. I'm not going to abandon the fact that both groups have a different number assigned to them and that one is of Israel and the other is Gentile. In order to come to that conclusion, you have to ignore the entire context of both descriptions. And for what? Because the tribe of Dan is not included but replaced with Manasseh? That would be the only reason that you would do that. And I know that this comes from an existing false teaching. Detailed accounts are being given for both and you are ignoring that information.

As for myself, I will stick with the literal meanings.

Quoted for posterity.

I appreciate your candor.

And this is happen in every country in the world. rich country may love money more then poor country but they love money too

Rev 18

2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.


I read some people Babylon is figurative of America
In the entirely history big nation become rich then money tempt people to left God and use the money for pleasures like free sex etc than as usual God punish them at His time

5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

It seem More and more sin remain God in this verse


7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

It seem Glorified herself is big sin in His eyes, if America win in a war did she confess it is God or it is her mighty army?

10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

It seem will be quick destruction it say in one hour. In modern weapon like nuclear it is possible and john saw this visions 2000 years ago when people use sword on war.
The only possible to destroy America with her mighty army is nuclear. God may use Russia and China the country with have a lot of nuclear.

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

America is the greatest market in the world so her desolate make merchant cry because they lost their biggest source of income. But it is little wear it make heaven, apostle and saint happy

Rejoice over her thou heaven

It may because God eliminate the source of sin

It seem money is the source of sin or et least money help sin

Love of money is the source of evil and and saint happy because God destroy it

True, there are a lot of prosperity preachers around the world, especially South Africa. But they all imitate America's prosperity preachers, from what I can tell by listening to them.

Rev 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

People see America as it raw model because her rich and mighty people want to be like America and do what ever America do. Suppose do what ever God will but love of money blind them. May be that is why God will destroy America to tell people not do what the rich do but do God will

This just proves you sir have zero clues about how God operates, for starters you try limiting whom God can use to only Christians, which is absurd. God used Alexandr the Great and Cyrus, those two examples prove your whole thesis wrong. You do not understand how God works at all or you wouldn't try limiting whom God can or can not use. Also, you add in a snarky comment about someone's past, what is your past, sir? All sin = DEATH. You do not have one clue about President Trump's heart, that is for God to judge alone, NOT YOU. Are you also going to judge Paul the "MURDERER"? People like you do not seem to even understand the concept of Jesus Christ, the savior of mankind...you seem to be the not Judge of all. SMH.

Now on to your evil liberal friends, who you seem to love so dearly, they love abortion on demand and despise God by their own words, they love Homosexuality, so yes SOME republicans are Godly, but sadly most in Washington DC are just like your liberal Dem friends, evil in their heart because of their actions. They can all be forgiven. but they have to repent. I make no judgment on whether Trump has repented or not, God judges men's hearts, I can see they have not repented by THEIR ACTIONS, whilst Trump was pro-life, pro-Democracy, pro the Church, anti foolishness and anti-one-world governments. Anti America being stupid and giving our money away and taking in citizens that we have to support, all so the Dems could turn our nation into a Marxist Utopia.

The rest of your post is not worth reading, it's quite evident you do not have a grasp on Christianity in the least.

As per the ORIGINAL POST.

America will be the 1/3 that is struck by the Mountain cast into the Sea. Apophis will hit just off the California Coastline. The 1/3 Judgments are a HUGE CLUE as per unto the location of this event. The Pacific Ocean just so happens to have 1/3 of all the waters n the world. The two Americas (North and South) also just so happen to have 1/3 of the Landmass of all the World. Thus, IMHO, the 1/3 is telling us where this Asteroid strike will happen more so than how many fish in the Sea are killed. It's pointing to the Ocean that has 1/3 of all the waters.

So, Amerca is taken out after the Rapture, this clears the path for the Anti-Christ to go forth Conquering. The Gog and Magog War takes our Russia, Iran, and Turkey's Armies ahead of the Rapture (any day now). Thus this Anti-Christ will have no Russia, Iran nor Turkish Armies to face. Then this Day of the Lord (Wrath) of God takes out 1/3 of the World, the USA and the whole Pacific Realm will be devastated, this will cause 100-foot tsunamis all around the Pacific Realm. Then this man GOES FORTH Conqueri g amidst this chaos, thus it's a part of Satan's plan, to WAIT until this Asteroid (DOTL) hits the earth.

The USA will not be a part of the End Times except for the fact it will be devastated by this asteroid. Jesus is going to have an Asteroid hit near Jerusalem where he will rule fir 1000 years. Its ging to it all the way around the world !!

So, is there a literal WOMAN in Rev 12 my friend? You accept that the Woman is a code word (I guess, this is very obvious) for Israel, but you refuse to accept God uses the CODE 144,000 for Israel when it is just as obvious, God couldn't use Israel in the book of Revelation, noe=r did he tag Rome in there, fr obvious reasons, so the Church would not be attacked by Rome via saying Israel was going to overcome and rule the world. Babylon was used for the WORLD, thus the Romans laughed at their writings. They saw Babylon as a dead city. Likewise, the WOMAN and the 144,000 were used in place of Israel. 12 Means Fullness and 10 means Completenes, thus we get this, 12 (COMPLETENESS) x 12 x 10 (FULNESS) x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel or 144,000 in CODE. I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp tbh.

Are they all really Virgins, no they are Virgins in Christ just like the 10 Brides are Virgins. These concepts are interconnected, ones the Bride of Christ, the other Gid married long ago (Israel). Those who repent at the end are Virgins unto God, notice in Rev. 14:1 they have the Father's name written on their heads. They are Virgins because they Repented. The 10 Brides represent ALL Christendom, only 5 are going to make the wedding in Heaven, telling me a lot of "Christians" ain't really dedicated to Christ.

Do you think New Jerusalem is 144,000 or is that just God describing the New Jerusalem as for his big it is, just like 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 describes ALL, Israel? People who can't see God's last day revelations, which He promised unto us, will be stuck in old understanding, which they got from people who were not even alive in many cases before God started giving out His latter-day understandings, which He promised Daniel would happen and the WISE would understand. Why lean on things from years ago when God only started revealing these deep truths recently?

Quite simply, no matter how much we wish our old understanding was true, in many cases they were untruths. The 144,000 quite simply are all the Jews who repent and thus flee unto the Mountains in the Petra/Bozrah area where God protects them, just like THE WOMAN in Rev. 12. Its very obvious, the 144,000 come between the SEALS where Jesus Prophesies what is coming over the next 42 months (I can't understand why people insist the Seals are Judgments, the Scroll of Judgments are SEALED !! That's the whole point)
and the Trumpet Judgments. Thus God says HOLD UP THE Judgments that HURT the Earth Sea and Trees until they 144,000 are SEALED or PROTECTED. We are SEALED by the Holy Spirit, but in this case, the Jews have already repented (see Zechariah 13:8-9) thus God is seeking to SEAL or PROTECT the in the Wilderness/Mountains of Petra/Bozrah.

Clinging to old understandings are not going to make them correct brother.

Rondonmon, I hope your fiery but incongruent response means you are young and immature. That would signal much room for growth.

Good day, Rondonmon,

As I have made very clear in my previous posts, the woman of Rev.12 is symbolic, i.e. she is not a literal woman. The answer to who she is, is found in Genesis 37:9-10. For the same symbols of the sun, moon and stars are used in Joseph's dream, which represent Jacob as the sun, his wife/wives as the moon and Jacob's eleven sons as the eleven stars, with Joseph being the twelfth star. Therefore, the woman as a whole represents the nation of Israel.

Just because something is symbolic in one place within Revelation, does not mean that symbolism should be automatically applied to others. The context is what determines whether something is literal or symbolic. Regarding the 144,000 there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to interpret them as anything but a literal 144,000 Israelites. Just because Dan is missing and replaced by Manasseh is no reason to abandon the literal meaning.

The first group is described as being 144,000 Israelites, even listing them 12,000 per tribe. And the second group as being too large to count and identified as Gentiles, which demonstrates that they are two different groups.

I don't know exactly what you are trying to say above, but I already explained in a previous post, that when the Lord said "The Whole inhabited world" He meant just that, the entire globe, i.e. God's wrath will affect everyone on the planet.

Those figures and calculations that you mention above are from the teachings of someone else, as I have seen them before and which are erroneously applied. Likewise, I don't understand why you can't just read the context and believe what it says. Why do you insist on looking for some other meaning other than the literal one? John says, " I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel," yet you don't believe that. Then he individually lists 12,000 from each tribe, and you still don't believe it. There is no reason to interpret this group as being anything but 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel, 12,000 from each tribe.

Rev.14:4 says "These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they are virgins, which means that the 144,000 are all males. And no lie was found in their mouths.

The Woman gives birth to a Male Child, which is a collective name representing the 144,000, for they will come out of her.

The dimensions given regarding the New Jerusalem will be exactly what is stated in scripture, which is approximately 1,400 miles wide, deep and high, with the wall being about 200 ft. thick. The fact that different dimensions are used demonstrates that the numbers should be interpreted literally.


The seals belong to God's wrath, because it is the Lamb who is opening them, which leads into the trumpets and bowl judgments. He is therefore the One responsible for all of their destruction and fatalities.

It would be another error on your part to infer that the church being sealed with the Holy Spirit as being the same as the sealing of the 144,000, as they are completely different. Not only that, but the church is not even mentioned within the narrative of God's wrath.

All of these things that you have mentioned are known false teachings, which you have adopted and are merely repeating.

If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.

I believe it’s the same for all nations through time a nation is above the others in power Egypt was the greatest kingdom in their time , but thier rebellion against God and worship of idols destroyed and laid them low .

when a nation becomes extremely powerful they can’t handle the power and turn to wickedness and God crushes them . This was true always America had begun one nation under God , biblical principles in place not perfect but under God

at this time faith was plentiful not all believed but the over riding belief was in God and the Bible so we rose up and now if you ask someone about the things in scripture for one glaring example gay marriage , the overwhelming belief is it’s perfectly fine , if you share what God said it’s an abomination before his eyes …..your going to be attacked from every side and accused of being a bigot

biblical principles made us great , greed and what always happens we couldn’t handle the power so now , if you notice we’ve turned to wicked principles “ transgender , gay rights , marry and divorce as often as you will , any religion is the same , money above the rest , personal right Tom our own right and wrong is what’s becoming America we have strayed greatly as a nation from the principle of being under God

our values and morals have been found out and it isn’t the spot of Gods nation it is the same as every other nation he rose to glory and power we’re about to crash hard I fear as China , Russia , Iran , North Korea , Afghanistan , Yemen , Syria ect all hate with a passion everything America stands for and are filled completely with those wicking we were wiped away from the earth

I’m thinking China is going to rise next and they aren’t under God they are fully opposed to him they worship the communist party I recently read news reports about thier leader ordering all the public images of Christ be removed and his image out in its place

Any religion is a threat to China because it requires the people to believe in something other than the ccp it seems a perfect nation to rise last being opposed to Christ and any religion

also the sheer number of them is unmatched by any ten nations on earth

given that they ruled already long ago in the old dynasty of the wall , it seems a return of a former nation that now sets its foundation upon no faith allowed here unless it’s in us seems familiar

I think there is going to be a monumental shift soon in the world and it won’t be good for America the nation many still love and hope for redemption

nations against nation sis too ethnic wars. America is divided and the house can't stand it. No one is giving in so we all will go down and it will be done by those who are positioning themselves to attack us. China and Russia and Iran.

Seems like 2 Timothy 3:1-5 is speaking about a lot more than just riches.

2 Timothy 3:1-5 (NASB) But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 without natural affection, truce-breakers, false accusers, without self-control, fierce, that love not the good,

4 traitors, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God,

5 having a form of godliness, but denying its power; from these also turn away.

6 For of such are they that enter into houses, and lead captive silly women burdened with sins, led away by various desires,

America is being decimated by imposters, fraudsters, and buffoons in government as we speak. There will be no need for a shot being fired. The enemies are within and without, and they have taken over. While the feckless military tries to be more Woke and talks about transgenderism. As to the natural disasters, they are judgments on a nation which had all the light of the Gospel and threw it all away.

It's amazing how Paul predicted how I would turn out.

Thank God I have a Savior in Jesus Christ.

Amen! You always have a way of finding the bright spot in the bleak and it's appreciated.