So, is there a literal WOMAN in Rev 12 my friend? You accept that the Woman is a code word (I guess, this is very obvious) for Israel,
Good day, Rondonmon,
As I have made very clear in my previous posts, the woman of Rev.12 is symbolic, i.e. she is not a literal woman. The answer to who she is, is found in Genesis 37:9-10. For the same symbols of the sun, moon and stars are used in Joseph's dream, which represent Jacob as the sun, his wife/wives as the moon and Jacob's eleven sons as the eleven stars, with Joseph being the twelfth star. Therefore, the woman as a whole represents the nation of Israel.
but you refuse to accept God uses the CODE 144,000 for Israel when it is just as obvious,
Just because something is symbolic in one place within Revelation, does not mean that symbolism should be automatically applied to others. The context is what determines whether something is literal or symbolic. Regarding the 144,000 there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to interpret them as anything but a literal 144,000 Israelites. Just because Dan is missing and replaced by Manasseh is no reason to abandon the literal meaning.
The first group is described as being 144,000 Israelites, even listing them 12,000 per tribe. And the second group as being too large to count and identified as Gentiles, which demonstrates that they are two different groups.
God couldn't use Israel in the book of Revelation, noe=r did he tag Rome in there, fr obvious reasons, so the Church would not be attacked by Rome via saying Israel was going to overcome and rule the world. Babylon was used for the WORLD, thus the Romans laughed at their writings. They saw Babylon as a dead city.
I don't know exactly what you are trying to say above, but I already explained in a previous post, that when the Lord said "The Whole inhabited world" He meant just that, the entire globe, i.e. God's wrath will affect everyone on the planet.
Likewise, the WOMAN and the 144,000 were used in place of Israel. 12 Means Fullness and 10 means Completenes, thus we get this, 12 (COMPLETENESS) x 12 x 10 (FULNESS) x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel or 144,000 in CODE. I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp tbh.
Those figures and calculations that you mention above are from the teachings of someone else, as I have seen them before and which are erroneously applied. Likewise, I don't understand why you can't just read the context and believe what it says. Why do you insist on looking for some other meaning other than the literal one? John says, " I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel," yet you don't believe that. Then he individually lists 12,000 from each tribe, and you still don't believe it. There is no reason to interpret this group as being anything but 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel, 12,000 from each tribe.
Are they all really Virgins, no they are Virgins in Christ just like the 10 Brides are Virgins. These concepts are interconnected, ones the Bride of Christ, the other Gid married long ago (Israel). Those who repent at the end are Virgins unto God, notice in Rev. 14:1 they have the Father's name written on their heads. They are Virgins because they Repented. The 10 Brides represent ALL Christendom, only 5 are going to make the wedding in Heaven, telling me a lot of "Christians" ain't really dedicated to Christ.
Rev.14:4 says "These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they are virgins, which means that the 144,000 are all males. And no lie was found in their mouths.
The Woman gives birth to a Male Child, which is a collective name representing the 144,000, for they will come out of her.
Do you think New Jerusalem is 144,000 or is that just God describing the New Jerusalem as for his big it is
The dimensions given regarding the New Jerusalem will be exactly what is stated in scripture, which is approximately 1,400 miles wide, deep and high, with the wall being about 200 ft. thick. The fact that different dimensions are used demonstrates that the numbers should be interpreted literally.
I can't understand why people insist the Seals are Judgments, the Scroll of Judgments are SEALED !! That's the whole point)
and the Trumpet Judgments.
The seals belong to God's wrath, because it is the Lamb who is opening them, which leads into the trumpets and bowl judgments. He is therefore the One responsible for all of their destruction and fatalities.
Thus God says HOLD UP THE Judgments that HURT the Earth Sea and Trees until they 144,000 are SEALED or PROTECTED. We are SEALED by the Holy Spirit, but in this case, the Jews have already repented (see Zechariah 13:8-9) thus God is seeking to SEAL or PROTECT the in the Wilderness/Mountains of Petra/Bozrah.
Clinging to old understandings are not going to make them correct brother.
It would be another error on your part to infer that the church being sealed with the Holy Spirit as being the same as the sealing of the 144,000, as they are completely different. Not only that, but the church is not even mentioned within the narrative of God's wrath.
All of these things that you have mentioned are known false teachings, which you have adopted and are merely repeating.
If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.
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