Are Christians required to get the vaccine if the Government mandates it?

Romans 13:1-6 and the Vaccine

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

A lot of believers says that if the government mandates that you get the vaccine then according to Romans 13 you need to get the vaccine. On the other hand during the tribulation we know that the AntiChrist will mandate the Mark of the Beast and yet the Bible commands that you not get the mark of the beast. So let’s try to figure this out with the vaccine since that is much more immediate and also much less clear cut. What is the governing authority in the US concerning this vaccine that was established by God? Of course, it is our constitution. We also must abide by the Nuremberg laws which prohibit any country to mandate an experimental vaccine. So it is clear cut for the moment that when Romans 13 says let everyone be subject to the governing authorities concerning mandating the vaccine that it is talking to the Biden administration and anyone else who wants to mandate it. God has established laws that forbid it. Instead what we see are businesses, hospitals, and other non governmental organizations “mandating the vaccine”. You should understand that they are not being subject to the governing authorities. They will claim that the letter of the law does not prohibit them from doing this, that may be true, but the spirit of the law does.

However, if the vaccine is approved by the FDA that changes the equation. This is really problematic because as a rule it is supposed to take 12 years or so to determine that a vaccine is safe without long term side effects. It is also problematic because they are not being transparent with the data on side effects and deaths as a result of this vaccine. The anecdotal evidence we are seeing would say that this vaccine should never be approved. Not only so but the basic rule, again established by God, is to “do no harm”. The death rate from Covid is extremely low, there are three effective treatments if you do get sick, and the rate of mutation is very high so new variants will make any vaccine ineffective. These guiding principles and guidelines for vaccines should also be seen as the governing authority established by God.

Still it would be extremely problematic if a legitimate government authority mandated the vaccine according to the laws that were established by God. That is why the investigation into election fraud is so significant. If it turns out that the Biden administration is in power through fraud then they are not the governing authorities established by God. They were not elected according to the US constitution but rather through deceit. So then, since the 2020 election predates any mandate we need to resolve the election first so we can know who is the governing authority authorized by God.

2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

It is very easy to say that this refers to the January 6th riot at the Capital and it certainly does. But notice the word “whoever”. We have learned a whole lot more about the whoever in the last 7 months. FBI, Police, Antifa, and Anarchist groups comprise about 90% or more of those involved in the riot. The mass media spread lies about MAGA killing a cop. So they also were involved in this. There is no doubt that someone is rebelling against the authority and we need to determine who it is. Ultimately they are rebelling against what God has instituted. This is important. As believers we can stand strong for what God has instituted which includes our constitution and our government.

3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.

Once again you could think this refers to the Biden administration, because they are the ones in authority. However, Jesus is Lord. Everyone, including the Biden administration is beneath the Lord’s authority. If Pelosi, or Biden, or Harris has done wrong then the Lord Jesus holds terror to them.

4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

The sword here is the US military. There are very clear protocols for dealing with treason. They have taken an oath to defend and protect the union from all adversaries foreign and domestic. The Lord is giving a very firm warning. We don’t just slump our shoulders oh well, they gave the order for me to go to the concentration camp today, I need to obey. No, not if they are not legitimate, not if this is treason.

5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

Do you get that? Losing my job is punishment. Being imprisoned is punishment. But if my conscience tells me this is the way I need to go the conscience trumps any temporal punishment. Nelson Mandela was imprisoned for many years for conscience sake. Martin Luther King Jr. was imprisoned for conscience sake. Mohammed Ali was not permitted to box for conscience sake.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

The government officials are God’s servants. There will be those who do walk by their conscience. They will speak the truth, they will stand up to treason, they will act to protect you. These are extraordinary times, but our constitution anticipated extraordinary times. Be at peace.

Christians are to wholly reject government mandates that direct them to commit sins. I believe that vaccines are sinful and I have good reasons. Therefore I believe I am not required by God to obey the government regarding vaccines.

I believe each person should prayerfully decide if a vaccine is a sin or not. Each person should absorb as much anti-vaccine and pro-vaccine information as possible then be fully convinced in their own mind what they believe.

I don't agree with your statement that vaccines are sinful but I do agree that it is between the believer and God.
Romans 14:3-5
"The one who eats everything must not belittle the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind."

How about abortion, do you agree that abortion is sinful?

How about government funded abortions using your tax dollars, does that make you an accomplice to the abortions?

I agree that it is a grey area about vaccines that are made with aborted cells, especially if it is done without the person's knowledge.

But suppose you were going to use a product that you knew was made from some body part harvested from aborted babies (China has a booming business that does this). Is that sin?

Of course this is true. God said "render unto God's what is God's". This is a question of ownership, and God's face is on the man, not Caesar's.

To those sheep who would worship the government, would they bend over and submit to government officials raping them if the government enacted a law for this? If so, it would be a sin comparable to fornication at best, and an abomination at worst. Vax-rape is no less a matter of rape, and possibly, no less an abomination due to the gene modification methods attributed to the unconsentual penetration.

According to Romans 13 governments are supposed to maintain law and order. But when the government officials themselves are the criminals committing fraud, deceit, and treason daily, then that totally changes the equation. Had the justice systems not been corrupted, all these criminals would be behind bars or executed (which is what the Bible recommends). In which case Christians are to reprove the works and workers of darkness and expose them for what they are.

The entire COVID Conspiracy is a Satanic power grab in order to subjugate the populations of the world, depopulate nations, and destroy lives through very serious vaccination adverse effects and the destruction of jobs and economies. Therefore Christians must reprove, reject, and refuse these bogus vaccines, which are in fact toxic and lethal injections in violation of the Nuremberg Code. They are precursors to the Mark of the Beast, and we know that those who honor Christ and God will refuse that Mark upon pain of death.

COVID-MOLOCH is the god which is now being worshipped by the whole world. Babies are being sacrificed to produce these so-called vaccines. Christians need to see this spiritual dimension, which is not even being addressed. So just as Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego absolutely refused to bow down to Nebuchadnezzar's golden image, Christians must follow their example.

Also Christians in countries which have constitutions and protected rights and freedoms can sue governments for criminal acts. There should have been massive lawsuits worldwide against (1) crimes against humanity and (2) violations of constitutions. But very few have gone in this direction. Which seems to indicate that the "strong delusion" which the Bible speaks of is already in place, as people willingly give up their freedoms for bogus protection against a bioweapon.

There should have been HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF SUCH LAWSUITS. This is what has been missing all along.

UK Government Sued (Again) Over Hotel Quarantine Rules

'The firm, PGMBM, said it believes that putting people who test negative for COVID-19 and have been vaccinated into managed hotel quarantine is “an ‘unlawful deprivation of liberty’ and violates fundamental human rights.” '
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/uk-government-sued-again-over-hotel-quarantine-rules

We continue to see the bitter fruit of a corrupt justice system.

NJ inmate freed early due to COVID is charged with murder 2 days later

https://www.foxnews.com/us/nj-inmate-freed-early-due-to-covid-is-charged-with-murder-2-days-later

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perhaps we should all start fasting. for change. if many of us (Christians and any concerned and or any kind of spiritual people - spiritual = God/Christ listener/hearer whether believer in the Bible or not - God is Spirit) started fasting for change (fasting in various ways, not of necessity how any other is - some from food, some from a / any particular thing in their / our lives that is not the best for us - a bad habit, an idol, a lesser sin, sin we have been seeking / thinking of overcoming in our lives for some time, things that we decide to give up for a time for such a fast, ect., your idea here, ect.) maybe we could effect change.

maybe all of this would go away. a thought i had just today or yesterday. if somebody wants to start a topic on this also... feel free.

To the title question: No. Nobody is; it's a violation of the Nuremburg Code.

Here's a link for those who haven't already written me off as a conspiracy nut: The Nuremberg Code (cirp.org)

No, I do not believe Christians are mandated by God to do anything they consider sinful. However, don't expect a free pass from the government to accept your views. They can throw you in jail as is done in many countries. Anyone see the movie Rules of Engagement? Samuel L Jackson orders his troops to shoot into the crowd because there are some shooters in the crowd, however one of the soldiers thought it was wrong to do so (as there could be innocent bystanders there) but follows orders anyway. Very likely he killed some unarmed bystanders. If he did not follow orders, he would have probably faced consequences.

There is nothing we can do about the world. You pay taxes to fund the military as well as hospitals that save lives. Your tax money is used for pointless ventures like space exploration and a good deal of pointless research. It's used to fund education that teaches we all evolved instead of giving glory to God.

Lord Jesus told those listening to pay their taxes, even though they funded the Roman occupation forces. Abortion is sinful but in most places legal. The people of the world are sinful by nature. Making abortion illegal will not change that. It's just a symptom of the world moving further away from Christian values, which is what the Bible predicts. The Church should be united in prayer and love to preserve society (salt) and to be the truth of God spoken in love (light). Tragically too many Christian live in darkness themselves and are too busy judging others to be "salt".

I buy clothes that may or may not be made by near slave labour. I buy other products made in factories in China. I wish I could do otherwise, but there are few alternatives that I can afford. If I knew that a vaccine contained bits of babies, I would not accept it.

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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...rus-spike-after-superspreader-birthday-party/

This is a slippery slope. Next thing I know you will be saying there is nothing we can do about funding the CIA (cocaine importing agency) or about teaching CRT in schools, instead even though it is the government of the people, by the people and for the people, even though we pay for it, we have no say over it. If you take this road it will ultimately lead you to say that hey, nothing we can do about abortion. The church will fulfill the Lord's word of having lost its saltiness and being good for nothing but to be cast out onto the dunghill. And why not, if you are going to support slavery by purchasing things made by slaves why shouldn't you become a slave too.

That is just a wonderful discourse on what the apostasy is and how this teaching has infected the church.

I don't agree that vaccines are sinful either.

well if you working as a nurse or front line health worker and refuse to be vaccinated isnt that putting yourself and others at risk and setting a poor example?

if you dont want to be vaccinated then stay home and dont work. But then dont complain if you get sick and need care.

if you are immunised then theres less chance of adverse effects or DYING if you catch covid.

I have already had Covid and studies already posted on this forum by PennEd have shown that immunity for those who already had Covid is far superior to that from the vaccine.

Yes, if you are immunized there is less chance of catching Covid, in fact the term "immune" means there is no chance. The vaccine does not immunize you, in fact it has no benefit at all in protecting you from the Delta variant. Now I assume you treat others the way you would have them treat you, so if you have the vaccine and get sick "don't complain if you get sick and need care".

Delta variant or the vax is bunk? Or maybe covid is just the flu.