Are Christians required to get the vaccine if the Government mandates it?
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I wish I had the answer, but I'm not entirely sure. These vaccines were developed by a sinful method, and I'm not even sure they really do anything to help.
Not just any sinful method either- abortion is straight up murder. If somebody was mass murdering people and selling their organs, is it okay to pay to get those organs to save your life?? (Surely this didn't happen before, and surely nobody that was murdered with a ventilator could have been a sacrifice to the biomedical tyranny. I'm definitely skeptical.)
Obviously if you pay someone to murder somebody and take their organs for you, you are part of that murder... but in this scenario, the hitman has already done the murdering for you- you just have to take the merchandise.
This is mostly just my rambling thoughts... but I really don't think this is ethical at all. I think it comes from terrible darkness. Everyone is just going on with their lives, pretending nothing wrong is happening. It's doctors in white coats! How could they be wrong? How could they be bad? It's medical doctors and the government- we are supposed to be able to trust them right?
Vaccines don't have to be unethical... but I think these ones are. I feel like should be fighting to strike down biomedical immorality- not indulging in it's produce. it's like watching pornography and saying "well, I might have enjoyed watching these people commit fornication, but I didn't actually do it myself". Except in this case we are partaking in a product of murder to save our own skin (if it indeed does save our skin).
How can it possibly be ethical?
Not just any sinful method either- abortion is straight up murder. If somebody was mass murdering people and selling their organs, is it okay to pay to get those organs to save your life?? (Surely this didn't happen before, and surely nobody that was murdered with a ventilator could have been a sacrifice to the biomedical tyranny. I'm definitely skeptical.)
Obviously if you pay someone to murder somebody and take their organs for you, you are part of that murder... but in this scenario, the hitman has already done the murdering for you- you just have to take the merchandise.
This is mostly just my rambling thoughts... but I really don't think this is ethical at all. I think it comes from terrible darkness. Everyone is just going on with their lives, pretending nothing wrong is happening. It's doctors in white coats! How could they be wrong? How could they be bad? It's medical doctors and the government- we are supposed to be able to trust them right?
Vaccines don't have to be unethical... but I think these ones are. I feel like should be fighting to strike down biomedical immorality- not indulging in it's produce. it's like watching pornography and saying "well, I might have enjoyed watching these people commit fornication, but I didn't actually do it myself". Except in this case we are partaking in a product of murder to save our own skin (if it indeed does save our skin).
How can it possibly be ethical?
Correct. All mRNA vaccines need aborted babies for their manufacture. And all of them produce spike proteins which are actually detrimental to the vaccinated. Also COVID vaccinations are a part of a Satanic agenda and everything regarding this Scamdemic and its vaccines is based upon lies and deceit.
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I'd wonder about Paul's opinion there. Jesus took a very good stance against the authorities that dared put him on trial in the temple. Had he obeyed Paul's opinion or held it, he'd not have called them vipers and what is essentially the spawn of Satan.
As to the question in the OP itself, I'd say no.
The body is a temple that houses the holy spirit that is God. We would no more tattoo and brand ourselves, for that would be like graffiti on the temple, than we would poison the water source that nurtures and sustains the temple. Which is what toxic chemicals entering the bloodstream do.
This vaccine is experimental. People are dying after receiving both doses. Some die after the first one. When officials from Pfizer labs, former employees now enabled to speak freely, warn against the vaccine, I pay attention.
When we judge we should use righteous judgment.
Imagine if all authorities, governments, were believed to be established by God. What does Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Obama, Biden, tell us about that?
As to the question in the OP itself, I'd say no.
The body is a temple that houses the holy spirit that is God. We would no more tattoo and brand ourselves, for that would be like graffiti on the temple, than we would poison the water source that nurtures and sustains the temple. Which is what toxic chemicals entering the bloodstream do.
This vaccine is experimental. People are dying after receiving both doses. Some die after the first one. When officials from Pfizer labs, former employees now enabled to speak freely, warn against the vaccine, I pay attention.
When we judge we should use righteous judgment.
Imagine if all authorities, governments, were believed to be established by God. What does Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Obama, Biden, tell us about that?
immune (adj.)
mid-15c., "free, exempt" (from taxes, tithes, sin, etc.), from Latin immunis "exempt from public service, untaxed; unburdened, not tributary," literally "not paying a share," from assimilated form of in- "not, opposite of" (see in- (1)) + munis "performing services" (compare municipal), from PIE *moi-n-es-, suffixed form of root *mei- (1) "to change, go, move." Specific modern medical sense of "exempt (from a disease)," typically because of inoculation, is from 1881, a back-formation from immunity. Immune system attested by 1917.
mid-15c., "free, exempt" (from taxes, tithes, sin, etc.), from Latin immunis "exempt from public service, untaxed; unburdened, not tributary," literally "not paying a share," from assimilated form of in- "not, opposite of" (see in- (1)) + munis "performing services" (compare municipal), from PIE *moi-n-es-, suffixed form of root *mei- (1) "to change, go, move." Specific modern medical sense of "exempt (from a disease)," typically because of inoculation, is from 1881, a back-formation from immunity. Immune system attested by 1917.
Hi Nehemiah and all friends in this chat,
I really appreciate your commentaries on this site. God Bless You all!!! I want to respond to statements I've seen here and all over the web about the vax being a precursor to the mark of the beast (MOTB). I have not seen a good explanation of 'precursor'. Does that mean this pandemic/vaccine is a global practice session for the beast system, training people to accept the MOTB (while actually killing people in body and soul as well given the poison including graphene and aborted fetal cells)? Let's consider some issues to ponder concerning whether this is a precursor, and I will also explain why I believe the vaccine is in fact the MOTB:
1. All the vaccines modify human DNA via mRNA.
2. The mRNA modifies a human's DNA, making the recipients genetically modified; researchers and doctors performing autopsies and studies on the bodies of deceased vaccine recipients are telling us that the DNA is chimeric.
3. Genetic modification of a human makes that human patentable because they are no longer found in nature; only those things NOT found in nature can be patented and owned; so now ownership of those who were previously human and are now modified becomes possible (notably patents for these vaccines existed prior to the COVID PLANdemic.
4. Revelation 18:13 tells us that in the beast system merchants will trade in the souls of men. This must be because by the time the beast system is fully fledged, those who were once men, who were previously made in God's image, and have been transformed into chimeras will be patented and owned and enslaved. Remember that the intent of the powers is that vast numbers who take this jab will die (gradually, in this staged genocide because it can't be obvious that the jab is the cause of death; also, they want us to bury our own dead so they don't have to deal with piles and piles). Those remaining as modified humanoids as per the ideal number written in the Georgia guidestones will be patentable and owned.
5. God made us in his image, inclusive of our DNA. When our DNA is modified and we're patentable or owned by the beast, can our body still be the temple of God? Can such a soul that is patented and traded still be made in God's image? (Remember, historical slavery is NOT the same as the slavery resulting from being patented and traded, because slaves like the Jews in ancient Egypt or African Americans in the United States were not genetically modified). The beast system takes slavery to a whole new level, without possibility of freedom, or even a fight for freedom. All minds are locked into the AI hive.
6. It should be clear to Christians that we are in end times because of the magnitude of deception in the world (deception is a major birth pang of the end times see Matthew 24). The deception is very obvious because COVID is treatable and treatments are banned, abolished, and some pharmacies carrying the treatments are being destroyed in parts of the world.
7. I asked God for many months about this vaccine, whether it is the MOTB. He sent me a dream on June 23rd 2021 confirming that the vaccine is the mark of the beast. You can find a video of my dream on youtube (link & channel name are below).
Many insist that the vax is NOT the MOTB because it appears to be happening outside of the prophetic timeline ie., prior to prophetic events that are supposed to occur before it. Remember that even the MOTB has to have a starting point, an inception point, which builds up to the climax in the beast system where the penalty is death. Remember even Jesus came in a manner that was completely unexpected for the Jews; He did not appear to arrive in the manner they expected nor did He say the things they wanted to hear; so they proceeded to reject and crucify him. Remember that Eve ate the apple because she was deceived; she did not remember God's warning and instead believed Satan that she would 'surely not die', and so the fate of mankind is sealed. Similarly many misunderstand and reject God's teachings, and will be deceived and take the mark, and seal their eternal fate.
Is there salvation after taking the mark because you did not realize it is the mark, because it is being delivered via deception as a treatment? That is above my spiritual pay grade. However, as Christians, we love one another and pray ceaselessly for each other. Members of my immediate family have taken it despite my warnings, and despite showing them videos of very informed and highly respected doctors, pastors, and researchers.
As we witness the INCEPTION of the mark of the beast, many Christians believe the false doctors and apostate teachers and pastors that the vax is a protection and treatment, even though the virus responds well to even natural treatments and supplements, not to mention hydrocholoroquine and ivermectin. The fact that it can be treated, in addition to many other obvious lies, should be a clear sign that there is a hidden agenda behind this jab.
What has to be understood is that the MOTB system as depicted in Revelation 13 will not happen overnight in one instance where the old serpent will appear as the Antichrist and blatantly declare 'TAKE MY MARK OR DIE'; that time will indeed come, and I believe it will be the way the Antichrist threatens those who still have not taken the mark. The vast majority of those who will not take the mark are Christians so it's really only the Christians who have to be threatened with death; non Christians will likely take it long before the penalty is death; for these, the penalty will be livelihood (buying and selling). The buying and selling threat has already started in the guise of a pandemic.
We have to understand that Satan is not in the business of warning or disclosing; one must use wisdom and discernment to recognize the MOTB, that is why in Revelation 13:18 it is written 'here is wisdom' . Remember that Satan did not give Eve any disclosure, and God proceeded to curse mankind, and look at the fate of mankind since then. Nor will Satan give disclosure when it comes to the mark of the beast, he's not and has never been in the business or warning or telling the truth. It will be delivered via deception, just like the knowledge gained by eating the apple was delivered via deception; he told Eve, 'you will surely not die'. Regarding the vaccine, Satan's mouthpieces are proclaiming, 'you will surely not die'. Sound familiar?
Remember that Noah warned humankind for over 100 years before the flood (in those days people lived to 1000+ years of age), that the flood was coming. Yet they were eating and marrying and being given in marriage until the day Noah entered the ark; and as Jesus warned us the end times will be as in the days of Noah (Matthew 24:37). Remember that only 7 people entered Noah's ark. Friends, let us pray those that refuse the mark of the beast will number more than 7.
Amen & Amen!
You tube MARK OF THE BEAST DREAM (below is part one; part two is already posted in my channel).
youTube Channel name: HEAVENLY VIEWS AND TIDINGS
I really appreciate your commentaries on this site. God Bless You all!!! I want to respond to statements I've seen here and all over the web about the vax being a precursor to the mark of the beast (MOTB). I have not seen a good explanation of 'precursor'. Does that mean this pandemic/vaccine is a global practice session for the beast system, training people to accept the MOTB (while actually killing people in body and soul as well given the poison including graphene and aborted fetal cells)? Let's consider some issues to ponder concerning whether this is a precursor, and I will also explain why I believe the vaccine is in fact the MOTB:
1. All the vaccines modify human DNA via mRNA.
2. The mRNA modifies a human's DNA, making the recipients genetically modified; researchers and doctors performing autopsies and studies on the bodies of deceased vaccine recipients are telling us that the DNA is chimeric.
3. Genetic modification of a human makes that human patentable because they are no longer found in nature; only those things NOT found in nature can be patented and owned; so now ownership of those who were previously human and are now modified becomes possible (notably patents for these vaccines existed prior to the COVID PLANdemic.
4. Revelation 18:13 tells us that in the beast system merchants will trade in the souls of men. This must be because by the time the beast system is fully fledged, those who were once men, who were previously made in God's image, and have been transformed into chimeras will be patented and owned and enslaved. Remember that the intent of the powers is that vast numbers who take this jab will die (gradually, in this staged genocide because it can't be obvious that the jab is the cause of death; also, they want us to bury our own dead so they don't have to deal with piles and piles). Those remaining as modified humanoids as per the ideal number written in the Georgia guidestones will be patentable and owned.
5. God made us in his image, inclusive of our DNA. When our DNA is modified and we're patentable or owned by the beast, can our body still be the temple of God? Can such a soul that is patented and traded still be made in God's image? (Remember, historical slavery is NOT the same as the slavery resulting from being patented and traded, because slaves like the Jews in ancient Egypt or African Americans in the United States were not genetically modified). The beast system takes slavery to a whole new level, without possibility of freedom, or even a fight for freedom. All minds are locked into the AI hive.
6. It should be clear to Christians that we are in end times because of the magnitude of deception in the world (deception is a major birth pang of the end times see Matthew 24). The deception is very obvious because COVID is treatable and treatments are banned, abolished, and some pharmacies carrying the treatments are being destroyed in parts of the world.
7. I asked God for many months about this vaccine, whether it is the MOTB. He sent me a dream on June 23rd 2021 confirming that the vaccine is the mark of the beast. You can find a video of my dream on youtube (link & channel name are below).
Many insist that the vax is NOT the MOTB because it appears to be happening outside of the prophetic timeline ie., prior to prophetic events that are supposed to occur before it. Remember that even the MOTB has to have a starting point, an inception point, which builds up to the climax in the beast system where the penalty is death. Remember even Jesus came in a manner that was completely unexpected for the Jews; He did not appear to arrive in the manner they expected nor did He say the things they wanted to hear; so they proceeded to reject and crucify him. Remember that Eve ate the apple because she was deceived; she did not remember God's warning and instead believed Satan that she would 'surely not die', and so the fate of mankind is sealed. Similarly many misunderstand and reject God's teachings, and will be deceived and take the mark, and seal their eternal fate.
Is there salvation after taking the mark because you did not realize it is the mark, because it is being delivered via deception as a treatment? That is above my spiritual pay grade. However, as Christians, we love one another and pray ceaselessly for each other. Members of my immediate family have taken it despite my warnings, and despite showing them videos of very informed and highly respected doctors, pastors, and researchers.
As we witness the INCEPTION of the mark of the beast, many Christians believe the false doctors and apostate teachers and pastors that the vax is a protection and treatment, even though the virus responds well to even natural treatments and supplements, not to mention hydrocholoroquine and ivermectin. The fact that it can be treated, in addition to many other obvious lies, should be a clear sign that there is a hidden agenda behind this jab.
What has to be understood is that the MOTB system as depicted in Revelation 13 will not happen overnight in one instance where the old serpent will appear as the Antichrist and blatantly declare 'TAKE MY MARK OR DIE'; that time will indeed come, and I believe it will be the way the Antichrist threatens those who still have not taken the mark. The vast majority of those who will not take the mark are Christians so it's really only the Christians who have to be threatened with death; non Christians will likely take it long before the penalty is death; for these, the penalty will be livelihood (buying and selling). The buying and selling threat has already started in the guise of a pandemic.
We have to understand that Satan is not in the business of warning or disclosing; one must use wisdom and discernment to recognize the MOTB, that is why in Revelation 13:18 it is written 'here is wisdom' . Remember that Satan did not give Eve any disclosure, and God proceeded to curse mankind, and look at the fate of mankind since then. Nor will Satan give disclosure when it comes to the mark of the beast, he's not and has never been in the business or warning or telling the truth. It will be delivered via deception, just like the knowledge gained by eating the apple was delivered via deception; he told Eve, 'you will surely not die'. Regarding the vaccine, Satan's mouthpieces are proclaiming, 'you will surely not die'. Sound familiar?
Remember that Noah warned humankind for over 100 years before the flood (in those days people lived to 1000+ years of age), that the flood was coming. Yet they were eating and marrying and being given in marriage until the day Noah entered the ark; and as Jesus warned us the end times will be as in the days of Noah (Matthew 24:37). Remember that only 7 people entered Noah's ark. Friends, let us pray those that refuse the mark of the beast will number more than 7.
Amen & Amen!
You tube MARK OF THE BEAST DREAM (below is part one; part two is already posted in my channel).
youTube Channel name: HEAVENLY VIEWS AND TIDINGS
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I understand God cursed mankind, both men and women.
Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, "I will sharply increase your pain in childbirth; in pain you will bring forth children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
Genesis 3:17 And to Adam He said: "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat, cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life."
We continue in painful toil to survive, tied to jobs sometimes more than one job (and now facing loss of our livelihoods if we oppose the jab), with little time for family, poor quality of life, unemployment, technology and automation replacing jobs, obsession with money and property and the vices that result from it; and now the world moves toward utter moral depravity with the rise of a global depopulation agenda which is preparing for the arrival of the Antichrist...
Hope that makes sense. God Bless!
Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said, "I will sharply increase your pain in childbirth; in pain you will bring forth children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
Genesis 3:17 And to Adam He said: "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat, cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life."
We continue in painful toil to survive, tied to jobs sometimes more than one job (and now facing loss of our livelihoods if we oppose the jab), with little time for family, poor quality of life, unemployment, technology and automation replacing jobs, obsession with money and property and the vices that result from it; and now the world moves toward utter moral depravity with the rise of a global depopulation agenda which is preparing for the arrival of the Antichrist...
Hope that makes sense. God Bless!
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This is just speculation were talking about and as fun as it is its very unwise to run with it. You really ran with this. Please forgive me but first again this is nothing more then speculation and you don't know what your talking about. For me God never put Biden in office mad did and that has happen many times in just the USA. You said a word. "constitution", Has Biden ever went against it? Yes..
What would Biden have to do to make ALL take the vaccine? Right now he can't because of the constitution that you said is from God. Yeah this is one of those things the GOV can not do. The real and only thing I could have asked is "sorry who are you to tell Gods people what His word really says"?
I don't have that right. Maybe addd "this is what I believe" that kind of thing.
To the other.. this vaccine is not the MARK of the beast. Forgive me a dream does not confirm it since it goes against the word. Well God already told us who it will happen. No beast coming to life.. oops back up.. no AntiChrist out in the open..so much has to happen first. Right now no one has the all the answers.
What would Biden have to do to make ALL take the vaccine? Right now he can't because of the constitution that you said is from God. Yeah this is one of those things the GOV can not do. The real and only thing I could have asked is "sorry who are you to tell Gods people what His word really says"?
I don't have that right. Maybe addd "this is what I believe" that kind of thing. To the other.. this vaccine is not the MARK of the beast. Forgive me a dream does not confirm it since it goes against the word. Well God already told us who it will happen. No beast coming to life.. oops back up.. no AntiChrist out in the open..so much has to happen first. Right now no one has the all the answers.
This post is meant to be 'lighthearted' and to edify - please don't get mad at me for posting it...
Sounds kinda similar to some people's eschatology...
The 'forbidden fruit' could not possibly have been an apple. Think about it. If it were, would there be any other apple trees after the fall?
It had to have been a unique fruit that no one but Adam and Eve have ever seen. (or eaten, obviously)
Not mine. (haha)
The Bible tells us in no uncertain terms (Revelation 14:9-11) that any who receive the mark will be damned.
Don't you mean 8 people?
Noah and his wife = 2
his three sons = 3
the sons' wives = 3
Total = 8
Sounds kinda similar to some people's eschatology...
The 'forbidden fruit' could not possibly have been an apple. Think about it. If it were, would there be any other apple trees after the fall?
It had to have been a unique fruit that no one but Adam and Eve have ever seen. (or eaten, obviously)
Not mine. (haha)
The Bible tells us in no uncertain terms (Revelation 14:9-11) that any who receive the mark will be damned.
Don't you mean 8 people?
Noah and his wife = 2
his three sons = 3
the sons' wives = 3
Total = 8
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...tside-texas-state-capitol-abortion-ban-video/
At first I was confused, the same people telling us we need to mandate the vaccine are also telling us to stop telling them what to do about their bodies if they want to get an abortion.
However, it isn't confusing once you understand. They are telling Christians to get the vaccine and shut up, these people demanding the government keep their hands off their bodies with the laws concerning abortion, they are not Christians. That is what they mean by "our" bodies, they aren't talking about Christians.
At first I was confused, the same people telling us we need to mandate the vaccine are also telling us to stop telling them what to do about their bodies if they want to get an abortion.
However, it isn't confusing once you understand. They are telling Christians to get the vaccine and shut up, these people demanding the government keep their hands off their bodies with the laws concerning abortion, they are not Christians. That is what they mean by "our" bodies, they aren't talking about Christians.
So many garbage posts in this thread...
Only totalitarian governments would even consider forcing people to get vaccinated...and currently the world doesn't have any of those.
Aborted fetuses are NOT used to make vaccines especially the mRNA vaccines or Novovax's vaccine. The others use a cell culture that was originated from an aborted fetus in the 50's
Only totalitarian governments would even consider forcing people to get vaccinated...and currently the world doesn't have any of those.
Aborted fetuses are NOT used to make vaccines especially the mRNA vaccines or Novovax's vaccine. The others use a cell culture that was originated from an aborted fetus in the 50's