Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

when you make such outlandish statements of others like this

“So far you have all denied christ 3 times. dont let it be a fourth. once again i ask you in the name of Jesus”

After inventing these argument threads d tagging people that are obviously not interested in arguing with tou I wouldn’t expect much normal
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again though if you could respect me and not keep tagging me and inviting me to this , I would appreciate it

I do not sing from hymn books. I will not ask to be excused from this exercise of needing to address your questions or needing to discuss that which you have presented because I do not need your permission to participate as I see fit/am moved to do.

Well, if that is actually the purpose then I'll try to end that right here and now!

@de-emerald

The scripture is the inspired Word of God. Satan didn't write any part of it. If you believe that he did in anyway, then you are listening to the enemy and being deceived.

Job was a righteous man and the devil could not make him DOUBT God.

But if you believe that Satan wrote the book of Job, then the devil is making you doubt.

The Word of God is our sword. Even Jesus used it against the enemy.

You can be assured anytime something is trying to get you to doubt the Word of God it is the enemy. He's trying to take your sword away. And if you believe he had a hand in writing any part of scripture then you are letting him.

Stand on the Word of God, rebuke the enemy, and he'll flee.

You really believe that demons have more power than God and Christ? Amazing. Of course demons (more precisely Satan) have assassinated the character of God and Christ. But as far as Christians are concerned, that is all rubbish. The true character of God and Christ is revealed in the Bible.

Before anyone answer any of these questions, lets be clear that these are an attempt of a leading toward the conclusion that the book of Job was written by Satan? and anyone that believes otherwise is denying Christ? Yes?

God's whole purpose was to exonerate Job before his critics and to expose Satan as the accuser of the brethren. And Job was not self righteous as someone said he was perfect according to God.

God's whole purpose was to exonerate Job before his critics and to expose Satan as the accuser of the brethren. And Job was not self righteous as someone said he was perfect according to God.

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Im tagging you all again. But obviously this is not directed at all of you.
I told you all 20 post ago that you will all start to condem me plot against me and jump to conclusions rather than answer some honest questions, and thats exactly what you have done.and what some of you do all the time. Jesus had the same problems when speaking to the Jews. And the reason for that was he spoke the truth and they didnt want to accept there father was of the devil, then they called Jesus a heretic and yelled for his blood. Thats probably the reason why some missing interpretation of lies crept into our bible. Oh and only 2 percent of Isreal is christian.

You asked a question (Poll) you got your answer. Do you not like it? With out the word of God then we can say anything we want. This is why we always ask "where is that written". You doubt the word you doubt God. He is the word. What some do not understand is Satan has rights. He told Christ this was handed, given to me and I can give it to who ever I want. Adam and Eve sinned this was handed, given over to him. This is why we hear read "Satan is the god of this world". This is why Christ said when they took Him "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

So with Peter.. Satan had a right to ask to swift him as wheat yet Christ prayed for him. We do not truly understand WHY we are to pray. OT God said "So I sought for a man among them who would make a wall, and stand in the gap before Me on behalf of the land, that I should not destroy it; but I found no one." Take Job.. Satan already knew about that wall that protected Job. .. anyway. Not sure what your going on about.

The simple answer is NO.

I learned a couple new vocabulary words, hyper-spiritual hogwash and super spiritual baloney, from the article 7 Warning Signs of Hyper-Spiritual Hogwash I found recently. I'm adding them to my personal favorite, supercilious spiritualism.

These questions amount to nothing more than the singular question, 'did God really say...?,' presented as a overture, which is defined by Wordnik as n. A similar orchestral work intended for independent concert performance. This is quite different than conversations that ask, 'God did say but, what does it mean?"

It doesn't surprise me that you'd even suggest that of these tagged beloved children of God which you tagged as sons of the devil... since you interpret this account of Job as a depiction of God as being evil Satan did not 'tempt' God. However, Satan is not 'tempting' God in this case, not anymore than in any other case, beside his inclination to ignore God's commandments, but rather mischaracterized God's judgment of Job's righteousness, and thereby challenging Him of it's integrity. Although Job's faith in God was shaken, ultimately, it was shown to be, even as everything else failed, the only thing of substance that remained. The conclusion of the book shows that faith despite the absence of any earthly reason, beyond human understanding, is accounted by God as righteousness as it is for Abraham, and its consequent is only greater reward.

Yes another conclusion again your lastest person to avoid answering all seven honest questions.

nope ive spent hours answering there questions with the intent of christians here not to be fooled by the devil. i said in a statement, that if you believe the lies of satan then your father is of the devil, that is what Jesus said to the Jews. this does not constitute that he actually is. again this another conclusion from yet another person where by many otthers join in the conspiracy that im suggesting something diffrent, when i am not. that is all

Allow me to ask you a few questions Are these fundamental tenets attributable to Christianity?
1, God is Holy, and uniquely so?
2, Gods Holy Spirit is God?
3, Gods Word is irrefutable?
4, God is omnipotent and exists outside of our dimensional space and time?
5, The Bible is the inspired (God-Breathed) word of God?

Yes your quite right there, Jesus said to satan away from me, which is the same thing as get away from me. Also get away from me would imply i dont want to know you, So i ment to say Jessu said get away from me to satan i dont want to know you. and i ment to say satan never knew God, which ill show you now.

mathew 4:10 Jesus speaking. 10“Away from Me, Satan!” Jesus declared. “For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve Him only.’

You see satan does not serve God. its a bit of a contrast when we see scripture that implies God has allowed satan to torment,. plus the fact if God is allowing satan to be the tempter, why is he going to chuck satan in the lake of fire ?

Ok this quote also addresses @SomeDisciple post as well,
Jesus Is Tested in the Wilderness
4 Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

Where does it say the holy spirit allowed it ? have you ever read sentence 1 and asked the question, did the holy spirit know Jesus would be tempted, was it was inevitable Jesus would be tempted, seing as the mathew calls satan the tempter in the next verse ? 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

You see also this verse also addresses @SomeDisciple who says God clearly knows satan.

Satan quotes “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”.

Notice the word if, Satan doesnt know who Jesus is. well he should know shouldnt he if hes met him in heaven in the story of Job.

As a christian you have to Go with what Jesus says, he is God and quite possibly demons are not even from God. where not created by God at all. they come from the darkness, not the light and have told hundreds of lies about them selves in the minds of people in our bible . Jesus is the prince of light, satan is the prince of darkness. Jesus calls satan the father of all lies.
The Beginning
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Darkness resided in the area first when the earth was void, which means we are in a battle for terroity. which can be seen through out the bible, demons want terroity everywhere, and even gain terroity by stealing people into there line of thinking by getting inside peoples heads.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.

God seperated the darkness and (demons) that was here in the beginning from the light when the earth was void.
God took there space with his light. the darkness and light are two seperate forces. the darkness wants its terroity back. but thats tough luck, God never stole it in the first place.

The battle in heavens is bewtween the darkness and light. the darkness (demons have not come from the light, the bible would suggest they have. but theese are only words. And we have to take into account the trickery that demons have to decieve peoples thoughts. every word they say is a lie. Jesus calls them the father of all lies. how can you trust the thoughts of satan in our bible in story of Job, if Jesus calls them the father of all lies.

Satan Tests Job
1 There was a man named Job, living in the land of Uz,[a] who worshiped God and was faithful to him. He was a good man, careful not to do anything evil. 2 He had seven sons and three daughters, 3 and owned seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, one thousand head of cattle, and five hundred donkeys. He also had a large number of servants and was the richest man in the East.
4 Job's sons used to take turns giving a feast, to which all the others would come, and they always invited their three sisters to join them. 5 The morning after each feast, Job would get up early and offer sacrifices for each of his children in order to purify them. He always did this because he thought that one of them might have sinned by insulting God unintentionally.
6 When the day came for the heavenly beings[b] to appear before the Lord, Satan[c] was there among them. 7 The Lord asked him, “What have you been doing?”
Satan answered, “I have been walking here and there, roaming around the earth.”8 “Did you notice my servant Job?” the Lord asked. “There is no one on earth as faithful and good as he is. He worships me and is careful not to do anything evil.”
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”
12 “All right,” the Lord said to Satan, “everything he has is in your power, but you must not hurt Job himself.” So Satan left.
Job's Children and Wealth Are Destroyed
13 One day when Job's children were having a feast at the home of their oldest brother, 14 a messenger came running to Job. “We were plowing the fields with the oxen,” he said, “and the donkeys were in a nearby pasture. 15 Suddenly the Sabeans[d] attacked and stole them all. They killed every one of your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
16 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Lightning struck the sheep and the shepherds and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
17 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Three bands of Chaldean[e] raiders attacked us, took away the camels, and killed all your servants except me. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
18 Before he had finished speaking, another servant came and said, “Your children were having a feast at the home of your oldest son, 19 when a storm swept in from the desert. It blew the house down and killed them all. I am the only one who escaped to tell you.”
20 Then Job got up and tore his clothes in grief. He shaved his head and threw himself face downward on the ground. 21 He said, “I was born with nothing, and I will die with nothing. The Lord gave, and now he has taken away. May his name be praised!”
22 In spite of everything that had happened, Job did not sin by blaming God.


Hi @Gideon300
im going to ask some questions on this scripture, Fistly if we disagree its not a problem to me.

But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?

2 who struck the cattle with lightening

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ?


5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.

I am brought to the Psalm which says no matter where we go, the deepest depths or the highest heights, He is there.. . Just because we cannot see does not mean He is not here with us all of the time. The creation does act as a blinder most of the time, but He is here, as I believe in things not seen yet.

Well, if I understand the question correctly, we are trying to understand IF God allows demons to torment people, and to that end my mind goes somewhere.
One, if God doesn't allow demons torment people, then they wouldn't. You bring up a good point that Satan does not serve God, but that does not mean that Satan disobeys God. God retains his sovereignty over Satan still. So, if the all powerful God doesn't allow Satan to torment people, we can be sure that they wouldn't, for demons themselves still have to listen to the command of God. "When evening had come, they brought to Him many who were demon-possessed. And He cast out the spirits with a word, and healed all who were sick..."(Matthew 8:16)

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Im tagging you all again. But obviously this is not directed at all of you.

I told you all 20 post ago that you will all start to condemn me plot against me and jump to conclusions...

Q: Who is explaining the story of Job?

A: God, through an unstated author, Job was discovered amongst the Dead Sea scrolls, according to the Hebrew Bible the penmanship was attributed to Moses and although there is a certain volume of weight for this thesis it’s not decisive.

Q: Who is the story being told to?

A: Humanity, Specifically to those who have an ear, and an interest in its contents.

Q: Who struck the cattle with lightening?

A: Satan

Q: How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, did satan possess them sabean people? And did God allow that to?

A: Sabeans (sons of Sheba the son of Cush the son of Ham)They are Men, Men kill other Men for personal gain amongst many other reasons,
A: No we are not required to be possessed in-order to be tempted, were are already fallen. A: Yes, Humanity is already in Satan’s hands, God admitted He placed a protective hedge around Job, this restricted the access Satan already had.

Q: who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ?

A: Satan, He is the God of this realm, in Mark 4 Jesus spoke to the storm on the Sea of Galilee and it stopped, was Jesus stopping Gods work or Satan’s?

Q: How can you believe the story of Job is an accurate account of what God allows.

A: It is the Word of God, there are many reasons why the account hold validity, your question needs to be narrower so that I’m able to be more specific.

Q; How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.

A: It is the Word of God, Again there are many answers to your question, it needs to be narrower or fleshed out so that I’m able to be more specific.