Is Obedience Necessary for Salvation?

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JerryInBoston

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HisKid said:
I'm not asking you how to share the gospel. I'm not asking you anything but to explain your claims of how you obey the Lord.

And... clearly you cannot answer. So, why bother posting your original post?

I'm way more awake than you are.
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I can answer and I do answer, but not to you - i I snswer to God.
 
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JerryInBoston said:
No, you're not awake if you believe in a flat earth. It's just plain weird - flat earthers, that is.
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Ok, so that's your opinion and I should care? Fact is, you WON'T answer the questions because you are cowardice.
 
JerryInBoston

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I get it. I truly do. To imagine we have been lied to on a world-wide scale for so long is unthinkable. Unimaginable. To horrific to even consider. And yet, here we are in 2021 with a world-wide deception. Not so hard to imagine now, is it? The children who are being taught all this scamdemic nonsense will grow up believe it is gospel. Of course they will. But they will be wrong. But nobody will be able to convince them otherwise once they are adults.. because .. how could that possibly happen?
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Let me guess: you're also a pepper and you have a doomsday shelter.
 
JerryInBoston

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HisKid said:
Then keep your nonsense to yourself and don't post it here.
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You think it nonsense to share the gospel with the lost and the afraid, to be obedient to Christ's commands, and to have the fruit of the Holy Spirit? Now I know you are not a child of God. You've just exposed yourself for who you really are.
 
mailmandan

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Jackson123 said:
Believe is a verb, belief is noun
Seem to me we save by grace through faith

Not faith alone but grace + faith/believe

John 3:16
Whosoever believe save

But need grace if no grace,

Jesus die on the cross is a grace for all human, but Jesus set up the rule to receive that grace need believe or faith.

So above all, not believe alone must + grace
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Grace is God’s part and faith/believe is our part.
 
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John146 said:
Are you justified by your faith or the faith of Jesus Christ?
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Hebrew 11
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

the evidennce of things not seen

Jesus seen everything can He have faith

whosoever believe will save who believe

the answer is me my faith
 
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Jackson123 said:
Hebrew 11
1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

the evidennce of things not seen

Jesus seen everything can He have faith

whosoever believe will save who believe

the answer is me my faith
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Im banking on the faith of Jesus Christ. He was completely obedient even unto the death of the cross. My faith waivers. Christ’s faith never wavered.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
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John146 said:
Im banking on the faith of Jesus Christ. He was completely obedient even unto the death of the cross. My faith waivers. Christ’s faith never wavered.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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So you believe lawless will be save? Why Paul also say murder not inherit kg
 
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Jackson123 said:
So you believe lawless will be save? Why Paul also say murder not inherit kg
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I have the imputed righteousness of Christ. He never sinned, therefore I have no sin. That’s the only way to heaven. In your system, one would have to get saved over and over based upon their own righteousness.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Yes. Obedience to the Gospel is necessary for salvation. "But they have not all obeyed the Gospel".
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yes...the necessary obedience is believing the report about Jesus Christ.

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
 
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John146 said:
I have the imputed righteousness of Christ. He never sinned, therefore I have no sin. That’s the only way to heaven. In your system, one would have to get saved over and over based upon their own righteousness.
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So Paul was wrong to say murder not go to heaven, in your system murder and Robert go to heaven
 
Nehemiah6

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Jackson123 said:
So Paul was wrong to say murder not go to heaven, in your system murder and Robert go to heaven
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Converted murderers and all converted evildoers go to Heaven because of the imputed righteousness that God gives as a gift to those who repents and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Conversion and repentance mean that the criminals have stopped committing crimes, and are living soberly, righteously, and godly in the present world. Since all men are sinners in God's eyes, all must turn away from their sins and idols in order to enter Heaven.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Converted murderers and all converted evildoers go to Heaven because of the imputed righteousness that God gives as a gift to those who repents and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Conversion and repentance mean that the criminals have stopped committing crimes, and are living soberly, righteously, and godly in the present world. Since all men are sinners in God's eyes, all must turn away from their sins and idols in order to enter Heaven.
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I agree repent is require otherwise propesional murder keep murder use Jesus faith and go to heaven
 
Blik

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HisKid said:
If we love, all the commandments will actually be obeyed without even trying. Everything is founded in love. If you love, you aren't going to murder or lie or cheat on your spouse or harm your neighbor or hate God. I think that people who want to bash you over the head with rules don't love,... because that is way more difficult than obeying rules.
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I think the rules are only the Lord telling us of ways we can express love.

To repeat what God tells us about this is NOT bashing anyone's head, and labeling them as bashers is a way of not following God's command to love.
 
Magenta

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Nehemiah6 said:
Converted murderers and all converted evildoers go to Heaven because of the imputed righteousness that God gives as a gift to those who repents and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Conversion and repentance mean that the criminals have stopped committing crimes, and are living soberly, righteously, and godly in the present world. Since all men are sinners in God's eyes, all must turn away from their sins and idols in order to enter Heaven.
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You contradict yourself. Do they have the imputed righteousness of Christ,
or must they attain their own righteousness by stopping all manner of sin?
 
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