Why Daniel's 70th week must be in the future
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To be fair, I confirm. Twas part of a pinned thread on this website during its previous design years ago. Was a bunch of different rules listed. The point of the rule was to not spam-advertise and lead traffic away ("hey! check out my site folks!"), contributing nothing to the forum.
But since the change in design, there have been members - including me - who have posted links to their work (and other sites), but only for reference during relevant exchanges here (like you've done in this thread).
I guess if a moderator chimes in they could clarify...but I don't think you've done anything near the level of spam-advertise.
But since the change in design, there have been members - including me - who have posted links to their work (and other sites), but only for reference during relevant exchanges here (like you've done in this thread).
I guess if a moderator chimes in they could clarify...but I don't think you've done anything near the level of spam-advertise.
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each prophecy doesn’t exist in a vacuum
“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”
Daniel 9:26-27 KJV
it was all based on whether they would respond to the messiah
but if you follow prophecy beyond a single one and look at it as a whole , you find that it was conditional when the messiah came like thier covenant it could be a blessing for Israel or a curse for all the world
It was all based on how they reacted to the messiah and John the Baptist who came before him
“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.”
Malachi 4:5-6 KJV
They beheaded John the Baptist and accused and crucified Jesus thier messiah so the curse became thier covenant it’s always what he said and what he set forth a blessing or curse they always and forever chose the curse this is what made thier covenant desolate
they always rejected and predicted the ot prophets calling for repentance after many generations he sent the messiah and again they rejected and killed him that is an abomination unheard of that a covenant people murder thier messih and lord And as you see in the last verse of the prophets it brought forth the curse
“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:33-43 KJV
When they killed Jesus it broke thier covenant and cursed the earth
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
Isaiah 24:5-6 KJV
prophecy isn’t a mystery but each sentance doesn’t exist in its own universe or vacuum the ot was always conditioned upon this same principle for isreal
“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:15-19 KJV
they never did it they always rebelled they killed the prophets again and again and then thier promised messiah they killed and cut him off causing those perpetual desolations and requiring a whole new creation because the people under the old broke it and brought the promise of the curse forth
after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined
“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”
Daniel 9:26-27 KJV
it was all based on whether they would respond to the messiah
but if you follow prophecy beyond a single one and look at it as a whole , you find that it was conditional when the messiah came like thier covenant it could be a blessing for Israel or a curse for all the world
It was all based on how they reacted to the messiah and John the Baptist who came before him
“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.”
Malachi 4:5-6 KJV
They beheaded John the Baptist and accused and crucified Jesus thier messiah so the curse became thier covenant it’s always what he said and what he set forth a blessing or curse they always and forever chose the curse this is what made thier covenant desolate
they always rejected and predicted the ot prophets calling for repentance after many generations he sent the messiah and again they rejected and killed him that is an abomination unheard of that a covenant people murder thier messih and lord And as you see in the last verse of the prophets it brought forth the curse
“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.
Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:33-43 KJV
When they killed Jesus it broke thier covenant and cursed the earth
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
Isaiah 24:5-6 KJV
prophecy isn’t a mystery but each sentance doesn’t exist in its own universe or vacuum the ot was always conditioned upon this same principle for isreal
“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it. But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it. I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:15-19 KJV
they never did it they always rebelled they killed the prophets again and again and then thier promised messiah they killed and cut him off causing those perpetual desolations and requiring a whole new creation because the people under the old broke it and brought the promise of the curse forth
after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined
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Of course, that's why the 70th week had to be put off, Israel had to be seen by God as Dead Men's Bones, thus the 70 weeks judgment was all about Israel as a Nation. Thus if they had repented in 30ish AD, then in 70 AD Jesus would have saved them from Rome (the European Beast). But since they didn't, as God foreknew, their mantle was given until the Gentile until the Gentile's time was/is fulfilled (as being God's chosen vessel to take the Gospel unto the world). Thus after this ENDS (Rapture), Israel is then back on the clock, so if you take the Church Age out of ALL History, notice the Roman (E.U.) Beast looks (will look, I'll explain below) EXACTLY the same, and thus it will be the Fourth Beast (Rome or the E.U.) against Israel in both cases. Ths the Four Beasts AND the Statue of Dan. 2 all fit perfectly when you take out the Church Age and only count Israel as a Nation whilst they are in the land. Thus the Mortal Wound of the figurative 7 Headed Beast was Rome, whom the Church turned from Beast to a conveyor belt of the Gospel. The Gates of hell could not overcome the Church because we have the Holy Spirit in us.
NOTICE BELOW: Rome on a map encompasses all of the Mediterranian Sea Coastline, Greece nor Babylon did.
NOW LOOK at the European Union and the "AGREEMENTS" they currently have with all of these Mediterranean Sea Nations, the very ones that Dan. 11:40-43 shows the Anti-Christ conquering, thus when you ADD THEM TOGETHER on the map, they are the exact likeness of Rome from 2000 years ago. WATCH:
See how it has the same look as the Fourth Beast? That is because this Anti-Christ, born in Greece, who comes to power in the E.U. Conquers Israel and MANY Nations (as Dan. 8:25 says he DESTROYS MANY by Peace as Dan. 9:27 says he has a Covenant with MANY and as Dan. 11:40-43 shows us, he conquers all of North Africa, Israel, and MANY COUNTRIES).
Once the E.U. Anti-Crist conquers Israel and THE MANY (Mediterranean Sea Nations) he will then be the Beast. The Church Age will be over and we will be in the middle of the 70th week. These Nations currently have "AGREEMENTS" with the E.U. we can see it on the Wikipedia site named the European Neighborhood Policy. The A.C. will come to power and put his twist on these deals making everyone sign new agreements that are in the same general design.
If you read carefully you know Elijah is sent at the very END TIMES, we see in Luke 1 that John is not Elijah, but came in the POWER of Elijah, Jesus uses an idiom so to speak, he's saying that we should love John the Baptist, for he did the exact same thing that Elijah will do but the people wouldn't hear him. Thus he was if you can receive it, he was Elijah, but Jesus is speaking about John accomplishing his mission, he did that, just as Elijah will, but they would not repent. REMEMBER, God foreknows all things, if Israel would have repented at this time, Elijah would have shown up, God can't lie.
Gabriel said this to John's dad Zecharias:Below
Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
So, he is not Elijah, Jesus was trying to make a POINT, notice he said no greater man has ever lived. He was just making sure everyone knew John,= did his job just like Elijah who is to some will. The Day of the Lord is God's END TIME WRATH, that is when Elijah and (IMHO) Moses show up 1335 days BEFORE all these wonders end (Second Coming).
NOTICE BELOW: Rome on a map encompasses all of the Mediterranian Sea Coastline, Greece nor Babylon did.
NOW LOOK at the European Union and the "AGREEMENTS" they currently have with all of these Mediterranean Sea Nations, the very ones that Dan. 11:40-43 shows the Anti-Christ conquering, thus when you ADD THEM TOGETHER on the map, they are the exact likeness of Rome from 2000 years ago. WATCH:
See how it has the same look as the Fourth Beast? That is because this Anti-Christ, born in Greece, who comes to power in the E.U. Conquers Israel and MANY Nations (as Dan. 8:25 says he DESTROYS MANY by Peace as Dan. 9:27 says he has a Covenant with MANY and as Dan. 11:40-43 shows us, he conquers all of North Africa, Israel, and MANY COUNTRIES).
Once the E.U. Anti-Crist conquers Israel and THE MANY (Mediterranean Sea Nations) he will then be the Beast. The Church Age will be over and we will be in the middle of the 70th week. These Nations currently have "AGREEMENTS" with the E.U. we can see it on the Wikipedia site named the European Neighborhood Policy. The A.C. will come to power and put his twist on these deals making everyone sign new agreements that are in the same general design.
If you read carefully you know Elijah is sent at the very END TIMES, we see in Luke 1 that John is not Elijah, but came in the POWER of Elijah, Jesus uses an idiom so to speak, he's saying that we should love John the Baptist, for he did the exact same thing that Elijah will do but the people wouldn't hear him. Thus he was if you can receive it, he was Elijah, but Jesus is speaking about John accomplishing his mission, he did that, just as Elijah will, but they would not repent. REMEMBER, God foreknows all things, if Israel would have repented at this time, Elijah would have shown up, God can't lie.
Gabriel said this to John's dad Zecharias:Below
Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
So, he is not Elijah, Jesus was trying to make a POINT, notice he said no greater man has ever lived. He was just making sure everyone knew John,= did his job just like Elijah who is to some will. The Day of the Lord is God's END TIME WRATH, that is when Elijah and (IMHO) Moses show up 1335 days BEFORE all these wonders end (Second Coming).
impressive argument
“So, he is not Elijah, Jesus was trying to make a POINT, notice he said no greater man has ever lived. He was just making sure everyone knew John”
“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.”
Malachi 3:1
that’s John who appeared before Jesus preaching the baptism of repentance to prepare them for Jesus and his gospel
“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.”
Isaiah 40:3, 5 KJV
And that’s John who would appear before Jesus here’s the biblical proof
“As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
Mark 1:2-4 KJV
“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:”
Malachi 4:5 KJV
and that’s John here’s the proof
“But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
And if ye will receive it, this is Elijah which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Matthew 11:9-11, 13-15 KJV
but some can’t here it because they “ already know from thier impressive thinking “
John was the last concluding prophet of the ot the one who would get the world ready for Christ. It’s why he is in prophecy so often. So Jesus said he’s the greatest among those born of women , because Jesus was about to offer being born again of God
it’s a lrettt good rule that if Jesus explains something we should begin our argument there and work outward from accepting it he is the truth after all and when he talks about “ ears to hear him “ it’s something we should really hear.
the ot is all about Jesus was coming , the epistles are all about Jesus came and will return not with Elijah but with heavens angels to gather his people who are still believing that day.
think to yourself if anywhere in the New Testament there’s a promise for Elijah to return ? Or a prophet to precede Jesus return ? You will find that it doesn’t exist because John was the fulfillment of that figure of elijahs return
the point is t that John is Elijah , the point is John fulfilled that prophecy of Elijah returning before Christ . Like elisha John had a portion of elijahs spirit me is the fulfillment of those words in malichi
spiritually Elijah came in John. The seventy weeks thing is throwing you way way off track brother . Look at the entire book of Daniel and you will find that isreal like always was being called back to God , to stop sinning and be righteous . But they never did it instead they killed Jesus and it broke and severed thier covenant and made this true as we’re told in malichi as last verse
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
Isaiah 24:5-6 KJV
The old covenant became an everlasting curse which is what requires a new covenant that is all about being saved from the curse that lit the fires for hell through the continual provoking and rebellion against Gkd who was always calling them to the same purpose as daniels seventy final weeks for them to stop sinning and return
but instead they cut the messiah off from the earth and with it thier hope of earthly restoration.
Their covenant from the start was always this
“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:15-19 KJV
They never chose life , it plays out through the longsuffering of God through the ot and the last and deciding event leaving then desolate is this which Daniel foresaw
“And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:35-43 KJV
one can wait for Elijah but he’s already come , one can wait for the messiah but he’s already come , one can count weeks and days and years but it’s better to believe the Gospel and be saved from an everlasting curse
“So, he is not Elijah, Jesus was trying to make a POINT, notice he said no greater man has ever lived. He was just making sure everyone knew John”
“Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts.”
Malachi 3:1
that’s John who appeared before Jesus preaching the baptism of repentance to prepare them for Jesus and his gospel
“The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.”
Isaiah 40:3, 5 KJV
And that’s John who would appear before Jesus here’s the biblical proof
“As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.”
Mark 1:2-4 KJV
“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:”
Malachi 4:5 KJV
and that’s John here’s the proof
“But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
And if ye will receive it, this is Elijah which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Matthew 11:9-11, 13-15 KJV
but some can’t here it because they “ already know from thier impressive thinking “
John was the last concluding prophet of the ot the one who would get the world ready for Christ. It’s why he is in prophecy so often. So Jesus said he’s the greatest among those born of women , because Jesus was about to offer being born again of God
it’s a lrettt good rule that if Jesus explains something we should begin our argument there and work outward from accepting it he is the truth after all and when he talks about “ ears to hear him “ it’s something we should really hear.
the ot is all about Jesus was coming , the epistles are all about Jesus came and will return not with Elijah but with heavens angels to gather his people who are still believing that day.
think to yourself if anywhere in the New Testament there’s a promise for Elijah to return ? Or a prophet to precede Jesus return ? You will find that it doesn’t exist because John was the fulfillment of that figure of elijahs return
the point is t that John is Elijah , the point is John fulfilled that prophecy of Elijah returning before Christ . Like elisha John had a portion of elijahs spirit me is the fulfillment of those words in malichi
spiritually Elijah came in John. The seventy weeks thing is throwing you way way off track brother . Look at the entire book of Daniel and you will find that isreal like always was being called back to God , to stop sinning and be righteous . But they never did it instead they killed Jesus and it broke and severed thier covenant and made this true as we’re told in malichi as last verse
“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
Isaiah 24:5-6 KJV
The old covenant became an everlasting curse which is what requires a new covenant that is all about being saved from the curse that lit the fires for hell through the continual provoking and rebellion against Gkd who was always calling them to the same purpose as daniels seventy final weeks for them to stop sinning and return
but instead they cut the messiah off from the earth and with it thier hope of earthly restoration.
Their covenant from the start was always this
“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:15-19 KJV
They never chose life , it plays out through the longsuffering of God through the ot and the last and deciding event leaving then desolate is this which Daniel foresaw
“And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.
And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him. When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:35-43 KJV
one can wait for Elijah but he’s already come , one can wait for the messiah but he’s already come , one can count weeks and days and years but it’s better to believe the Gospel and be saved from an everlasting curse
This was John, we all know that he was born of a woman, Elijah has already been born he can't be born again. God, as I stated, would have sent Jesus back in 70 AD to save Israel from the Fourth Beast, but the 70th-week Prophecy says they MUST REPENT FIRST, so God foreknowing all things couldn't send Elijah, instead he sent John, and if Israel had of repented, Elijah would have shown up to make Jesus' path straight, instead he has to now turn up 2000 some odd years later BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord as Malachi 4:5-6 says. God took the mantle of taking the Gospel unto the world from the Jewish people and gave it to the Gentiles for nigh 2000 years.
So Malachi 4:5 is NOT John, the Day of the Lord is KNOWN as a FACT to be G0d's Wrath which last fr 1260 days. You are conflating the two because God delayed His plans because of an UNREPENTANT Israel.
So Malachi 4:5 is NOT John, the Day of the Lord is KNOWN as a FACT to be G0d's Wrath which last fr 1260 days. You are conflating the two because God delayed His plans because of an UNREPENTANT Israel.
no not at all God didn’t delay anything he fulfilled the curse rather than blessing that’s what he told them from the start
that’s not conflation it’s just the truth this was always true
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV
thier last chance WAS the messiah he sent to them and they accused him of blasphemy and beat and mocked and spit on him
what’s God who gave them chance after chance going to do about it ? He took the kingdom from them and offered it to all people who will believe
The abomination in Gods sit by was murder of the one sent to restore them 67-70 ad was the end of earths Jerusalem and the covenant they broke but it set forth the curse we need to be saved from.
but it isn’t important for you to accept what I said I was just trying to point out that the messiah was sent to save them and they rejected him and killed him and lost the kingdom but you don’t want to hear that even from Jesus
“And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:35-43 KJV
Ot seems Like they killed Gods son who was the one he sent to restore them to
Me but maybe o can’t crack the code either way I appreciate the conversation and I’ll leave you to continue discussing the 70 week thing
that’s not conflation it’s just the truth this was always true
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV
thier last chance WAS the messiah he sent to them and they accused him of blasphemy and beat and mocked and spit on him
what’s God who gave them chance after chance going to do about it ? He took the kingdom from them and offered it to all people who will believe
The abomination in Gods sit by was murder of the one sent to restore them 67-70 ad was the end of earths Jerusalem and the covenant they broke but it set forth the curse we need to be saved from.
but it isn’t important for you to accept what I said I was just trying to point out that the messiah was sent to save them and they rejected him and killed him and lost the kingdom but you don’t want to hear that even from Jesus
“And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.
But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.
When the Lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
Matthew 21:35-43 KJV
Ot seems Like they killed Gods son who was the one he sent to restore them to
Me but maybe o can’t crack the code either way I appreciate the conversation and I’ll leave you to continue discussing the 70 week thing
NO, if Israel had of repented God would have sent Jess to save them from the Fourth Beast Rome in 70 AD. That's why the 70 AD sacking of Jerusalem is so much like the end time sacking of Jerusalem. Of course, when people don't grasp what's actually going on they start making errors (others do this at least), and they thus don't understand that the 70th-week prophecy is a 7 x 7 or 49-year prophecy, a 62 x 7 or 434-year prophecy and a 1 x 7 or 7-year prophecy.
It may be "YOUR TRUTH" but its, not God's truth sir. Israel rejected Jesus, they did the same thing when being delivered from Babylon, the moaned and complained, many loved Babylon and wanted to stay, thus when Daniel was reading the book of Jeremiah in Daniel chapter 9, Gabriel came unto him and said your people will be delivered as promised after 70 years, but let it be known they still haven't repented and thus as the Laws of Leviticus (of course I am paraphrasing and EXPLAINING why Israel for the 70 x 7 Judgment fro God,nit giving you exactly what Gabriel told Daniel) say, I am timing your punishment x 7, thus your 70 year Judgment is not 70 x 7 or 490 years. Then later on Gabriel explains it is a three-pronged prophecy, 7 x 7 = 49 years (The WALL), 7 x 62 = 434 years (Jesus' death) and we still await the 1 x 7 or 7-year prophecy to be fulfilled ( 70-week tribulation period).
Wow, you are anti-Israel it seems, "THEIR LAST CHANCE" if you really mean that shows you do not understand scriptures brother. I can show you where 1/3 of the Jews repent just before the coming Day of the Lord (DOTL). Go read Zechariah 13:8-9, 1/3 of the Jews REPENT and 2/3 will be CUT OFF (die) and the very next verse (Zechariah 14:1 says the Day of the Lord has come or comes and here's what will happen at that time (just after the Jews repent), and it shows Israel getting ravaged and sacked again, and then 3.5 years later, in verses 3-4 and ON FURTHER, it shows Jesus touching down and defeating te Anti-Chr9st and all his evil minions.
Israel's last chance will fulfill the 70th-week Prophecy which says Israel WILL REPENT before the 70th-week prophecy comes to pass. The 70th week's troubles are designed to make them turn to Jesus/God again. What you or I think doesn't matter if it disagrees with the scriptures brother. And Jews (who are ALL Israel, they are only called Jews because they all lived in Judah, just like Italians, the Irish and Nigerians will be called New Yorkers or Americans after they have lived in America/New York for so long, and the SWITCH happened in 712 BC when the Northern Kingdoms were toted off, of course, the other 10 tribes all had SEED living in Jerusalem, so they were never lost, that just people not being very smart, to be honest, God says he has saved Himself 7000 and 7 always means COMPLETENESS especially when times by 10 which also means completeness. So, that's God saying the 10 tribes were never lost, he just created ONE STICK out of TWO STICKS as the Prophecy of the 2 Sticks will become 1 Stick in Ezekiel 37. Thus the Jews are AL Israel as we speak.
We all killed Jesus. The Jews were the Spring Harvest we are the Summer Harvest. Israel birthed the SEED, we spread the Gospel because Israel's mantel was taken away because of their rek=jection of Christ, but as Paul says in Rom. 11 ALL Israel will be saved, which doesn't mean every Jew, it means Israel as a Nation will Repent (1/3 do) and thus Israel will be PRESERVED, just like God promised Abraham, he will have an everlasting seed on this earth. Amen, God can not lie.
You can't just post some scriptures (which I and others also know, then leave off the scriptures where the Jews REPENT and come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE, during the 70th week.
It may be "YOUR TRUTH" but its, not God's truth sir. Israel rejected Jesus, they did the same thing when being delivered from Babylon, the moaned and complained, many loved Babylon and wanted to stay, thus when Daniel was reading the book of Jeremiah in Daniel chapter 9, Gabriel came unto him and said your people will be delivered as promised after 70 years, but let it be known they still haven't repented and thus as the Laws of Leviticus (of course I am paraphrasing and EXPLAINING why Israel for the 70 x 7 Judgment fro God,nit giving you exactly what Gabriel told Daniel) say, I am timing your punishment x 7, thus your 70 year Judgment is not 70 x 7 or 490 years. Then later on Gabriel explains it is a three-pronged prophecy, 7 x 7 = 49 years (The WALL), 7 x 62 = 434 years (Jesus' death) and we still await the 1 x 7 or 7-year prophecy to be fulfilled ( 70-week tribulation period).
Wow, you are anti-Israel it seems, "THEIR LAST CHANCE" if you really mean that shows you do not understand scriptures brother. I can show you where 1/3 of the Jews repent just before the coming Day of the Lord (DOTL). Go read Zechariah 13:8-9, 1/3 of the Jews REPENT and 2/3 will be CUT OFF (die) and the very next verse (Zechariah 14:1 says the Day of the Lord has come or comes and here's what will happen at that time (just after the Jews repent), and it shows Israel getting ravaged and sacked again, and then 3.5 years later, in verses 3-4 and ON FURTHER, it shows Jesus touching down and defeating te Anti-Chr9st and all his evil minions.
Israel's last chance will fulfill the 70th-week Prophecy which says Israel WILL REPENT before the 70th-week prophecy comes to pass. The 70th week's troubles are designed to make them turn to Jesus/God again. What you or I think doesn't matter if it disagrees with the scriptures brother. And Jews (who are ALL Israel, they are only called Jews because they all lived in Judah, just like Italians, the Irish and Nigerians will be called New Yorkers or Americans after they have lived in America/New York for so long, and the SWITCH happened in 712 BC when the Northern Kingdoms were toted off, of course, the other 10 tribes all had SEED living in Jerusalem, so they were never lost, that just people not being very smart, to be honest, God says he has saved Himself 7000 and 7 always means COMPLETENESS especially when times by 10 which also means completeness. So, that's God saying the 10 tribes were never lost, he just created ONE STICK out of TWO STICKS as the Prophecy of the 2 Sticks will become 1 Stick in Ezekiel 37. Thus the Jews are AL Israel as we speak.
We all killed Jesus. The Jews were the Spring Harvest we are the Summer Harvest. Israel birthed the SEED, we spread the Gospel because Israel's mantel was taken away because of their rek=jection of Christ, but as Paul says in Rom. 11 ALL Israel will be saved, which doesn't mean every Jew, it means Israel as a Nation will Repent (1/3 do) and thus Israel will be PRESERVED, just like God promised Abraham, he will have an everlasting seed on this earth. Amen, God can not lie.
You can't just post some scriptures (which I and others also know, then leave off the scriptures where the Jews REPENT and come unto Christ by FAITH ALONE, during the 70th week.
The temple could be built just before the Pre-trib Rapture, but in essence, I agree. We already see the AGREEMENT in place, its the European Neighborhood Policy (ENP) between the E.U. and THE MANY (which includes Israel) as Dan. 8:25 states he will DESTROY MANT by peace, as Dan. 9:27 shows he makes an AGREEMENT (Covenant)n with MANY and as Dan 11:40-43 shows he Cnqurs MANY COUNTRIES. Thus, when we look at that EPN on Wikipedia, we see the E..U. currently has AGREEMENTS with Israel, Egypt, Joran, Lebanon, Syria, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya, and the "AGREEMENTS" ran from 2007-2013 and from 2014-2020, thus they are 7-year deals. When the Rapture happens, this Ati-Chrost figure will move in and FORCE new agreements, the E.U. gives out 15 Billion Euros, thy are getting she nations to get addicted to this "FREE MONEY" which of course has "CONDITIONS", but as per Israel who already play Soccer/Futbal in the Europa League, they so want to be accepted into the European Union that they will never see what hot them. You see, they think that that is to Europe as Hawaii or Idaho are to the United States, they think the E.U. will guarantee their protection, little do they know they are dealing with Satan's chosen Beast.
God Bless.
God Bless.
I agree that an end-time Elijah must still come because the King must be heralded each time He's on His way...But when much of the Christian world sees this man they'll believe he's the antichrist.
The countries in your modern map aren't *reforming* the roman empire. They are proof that we've already been living in the "iron kingdom mixed with clay". The gap theory throws the timing of all of these things off, and so the eschatological timeline is off by approx. 2000 years.
The countries in your modern map aren't *reforming* the roman empire. They are proof that we've already been living in the "iron kingdom mixed with clay". The gap theory throws the timing of all of these things off, and so the eschatological timeline is off by approx. 2000 years.
Thier messiah already came , they rejected him and crucified him that’s not anti Israel it’s just what happened. Gentiles joined in also doing the same to him at the cross so it has nothing to do with being anti Israel.
the messiah already came to Israel and then they rejected him and Gods word. When he returns it’s going to be like this
“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 KJV
are they going to repent after this ? I don’t think you understand there’s no longer a difference in Jew and gentile everyone has to accept Jesus Christ in order to be saved Jew , gentile doesn’t exist anymore
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
You realize the early church were all Jewish right ? And they converted to Christianity ? It’s because a remnant of Israel accepted the messiah and the kingdom
anyone until the end of time can be saved Jew or gentile means nothing to God who accepts Christ before he returns is everything.
But like I was saying a lot of Jews still are waiting for the “real “Messiah to arrive and restore thier earthly kingdom
But they are going to be surprised
“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10, 12-13 KJV
the messiah already came to Israel and then they rejected him and Gods word. When he returns it’s going to be like this
“And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 KJV
are they going to repent after this ? I don’t think you understand there’s no longer a difference in Jew and gentile everyone has to accept Jesus Christ in order to be saved Jew , gentile doesn’t exist anymore
“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
Galatians 3:27-29 KJV
You realize the early church were all Jewish right ? And they converted to Christianity ? It’s because a remnant of Israel accepted the messiah and the kingdom
anyone until the end of time can be saved Jew or gentile means nothing to God who accepts Christ before he returns is everything.
But like I was saying a lot of Jews still are waiting for the “real “Messiah to arrive and restore thier earthly kingdom
But they are going to be surprised
“But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
2 Peter 3:7, 10, 12-13 KJV
There is no "Gap Theory" my friend, God gave a "LIFESPAN of Israel" unto them and the judgment He set against them.
597 BC Israel is conquered by Babylon, God sets a 70 year Judgment against them via Jeremiah the Prophet, they never repent and desire to stay in Babylon thus God sends Daniel to answer his prayer about freeing Israel from Babylon's grip after 70 years, as He promised, BUT, He Gabrel tells Daniel that because Israel has yet to repent their judgment is now multiplied x (times) 7 as the Law in Leviticus requires. Thus we start in 597 BC via Israel judgment.
597....................33 AD (Jesus dies/Cut-off)......70 AD Jerusalem is sacked and God says Israel as Dead Men's Bones.....
Israel is Dead to God for nigh 2000 years.....................1948 Israel are REBORN. So, there is NO GAP, you are thinking as men think, God says Israel was ALIVE as a Nation unto Him from 597 to 70 AD and thus during this time in two different phases they had 483 years of Judgment against them, but 7 years of that judgment remains, and as soon as the Time of the Gentiles (Rapture of the Church) is fulfilled, then Israel's 70th week Judgment will begin, but until then we are in the Summer Harvest or Church Age. Israel's 70th week only starts after the Rapture. I truly do not get why people can't see God gave the Prophecy in THREE PHASES for a purpose, not ONE PHASE of 490 years.
As per the Fourth Beast, God states very clearly that the END TIME Beast comes from the people (Romans/Europeans) who sacked Israel/Jerusalem in 70 AD. In Dan. 7 we see the 10 Arise out of the Fourth Beast in Daniel 7:7 and the number 10 always mans COMPLETENESS just like 12 always represents FULNESS thus what God is saying is that the 10 (DIVIDED Europe) arse from the Roman Empire as Iron and Clay doesn't MIX neither do these Nations for eons, they tried to reunite with Charlemeign with Napolean and via Hitler but to n avail, in Dan. 2:43 where it says they tried to "Mingle themselves with the SEED of men, but they didn't Cleave to one another" that means they also tried via Royal Marriage to reunite, but again, to no avail. They are 10 or the COMPLETE NUMBER of Nations at any given time (be it 5 be it 15 be it 27 or 26) so 10 is used, that is DIVIDED unit they are allowed by God to reunite in the end times. NOTICE, Israel is reborn in 1948 and we got the Council of Rome in the mid-1950s.
The European Union has already REFORMED into ONE NATION, the nations on that map are entered (read the ENP Wikipedia page) into 7-year AGREEMENTS (Covenant in English mean's Agreement) with all of these Mediterranean Sea Region nations as we speak. They do not REFORM, they get CONQUERED by the European Union's Anti-Christ President, go read Dan. 11:40-43 it's all right there, even the part that shows who they can't conquer, Moab, Ammon, and Edom (the Petra/Bozrah area).
The fact that you state we are ALREADY living in the Iron and Clay and have been (I know where this goes, so even though the E.U. is that Kingdom, it's not "THAT KINGDOM", until the Conquer Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region) lets me know you are one of those "The RCC and Pope are the Fourth Beast guys" sorry, that sir is laughable. I could use much stronger terms, but it's just not biblical, you have been seduced with one of TWO LIES going around which comes from Satan himself, the RCC/Pope lie (he may or may not be evil, but the RCC is not the Fourth Beast, that's asinine and unscriptural to boot) and the whole Joel Richardson untruth about the Anti-Christ being a Muslim man who arises out of a Muslim nation is also a Satanic head-fake.
597 BC Israel is conquered by Babylon, God sets a 70 year Judgment against them via Jeremiah the Prophet, they never repent and desire to stay in Babylon thus God sends Daniel to answer his prayer about freeing Israel from Babylon's grip after 70 years, as He promised, BUT, He Gabrel tells Daniel that because Israel has yet to repent their judgment is now multiplied x (times) 7 as the Law in Leviticus requires. Thus we start in 597 BC via Israel judgment.
597....................33 AD (Jesus dies/Cut-off)......70 AD Jerusalem is sacked and God says Israel as Dead Men's Bones.....
Israel is Dead to God for nigh 2000 years.....................1948 Israel are REBORN. So, there is NO GAP, you are thinking as men think, God says Israel was ALIVE as a Nation unto Him from 597 to 70 AD and thus during this time in two different phases they had 483 years of Judgment against them, but 7 years of that judgment remains, and as soon as the Time of the Gentiles (Rapture of the Church) is fulfilled, then Israel's 70th week Judgment will begin, but until then we are in the Summer Harvest or Church Age. Israel's 70th week only starts after the Rapture. I truly do not get why people can't see God gave the Prophecy in THREE PHASES for a purpose, not ONE PHASE of 490 years.
As per the Fourth Beast, God states very clearly that the END TIME Beast comes from the people (Romans/Europeans) who sacked Israel/Jerusalem in 70 AD. In Dan. 7 we see the 10 Arise out of the Fourth Beast in Daniel 7:7 and the number 10 always mans COMPLETENESS just like 12 always represents FULNESS thus what God is saying is that the 10 (DIVIDED Europe) arse from the Roman Empire as Iron and Clay doesn't MIX neither do these Nations for eons, they tried to reunite with Charlemeign with Napolean and via Hitler but to n avail, in Dan. 2:43 where it says they tried to "Mingle themselves with the SEED of men, but they didn't Cleave to one another" that means they also tried via Royal Marriage to reunite, but again, to no avail. They are 10 or the COMPLETE NUMBER of Nations at any given time (be it 5 be it 15 be it 27 or 26) so 10 is used, that is DIVIDED unit they are allowed by God to reunite in the end times. NOTICE, Israel is reborn in 1948 and we got the Council of Rome in the mid-1950s.
The European Union has already REFORMED into ONE NATION, the nations on that map are entered (read the ENP Wikipedia page) into 7-year AGREEMENTS (Covenant in English mean's Agreement) with all of these Mediterranean Sea Region nations as we speak. They do not REFORM, they get CONQUERED by the European Union's Anti-Christ President, go read Dan. 11:40-43 it's all right there, even the part that shows who they can't conquer, Moab, Ammon, and Edom (the Petra/Bozrah area).
The fact that you state we are ALREADY living in the Iron and Clay and have been (I know where this goes, so even though the E.U. is that Kingdom, it's not "THAT KINGDOM", until the Conquer Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region) lets me know you are one of those "The RCC and Pope are the Fourth Beast guys" sorry, that sir is laughable. I could use much stronger terms, but it's just not biblical, you have been seduced with one of TWO LIES going around which comes from Satan himself, the RCC/Pope lie (he may or may not be evil, but the RCC is not the Fourth Beast, that's asinine and unscriptural to boot) and the whole Joel Richardson untruth about the Anti-Christ being a Muslim man who arises out of a Muslim nation is also a Satanic head-fake.