Do catholics worship God or the pope?

Hi Jerry hearsay does not prove your claims. If what you say is a true statement about catholic beliefs and you say you are a former catholic then documenting what you say from official sources should not be hard to do. So, please document wha you say from Official sources.

Well, I gave you the titles the RCC uses for its head Bishop: pope, pontiff, and vicar. An etymological search of each term will support what I've stated.

This is more like something from the totally fictional DaVinci code book, not Catholic catechism.

I'm also Catholic and have NEVER heard this tripe before.

Well, I gave you the titles the RCC uses for its head Bishop: pope, pontiff, and vicar. An etymological search of each term will support what I've stated.

The pope is called Holy Father.


I'm not surprised you are in the dark about the RCC titles for the pope and their parallels to the Trinity. Most RCC members have a nicely padded gigantic Bible in their homes that they never open, but they'll read endless RCC bulletins and RCC catechism.

Not only does the RCC claim that the pope is infallible, here are a few of the titles given to the pope by the RCC that make him the trinity on earth: Holy Father, Bishop of Rome, Vicar of Jesus Christ, Supreme Pontiff of the Universal Church.

The office of pope is called the papacy, which is from the Latin papa, and from the Greek pappas, all of which means Father. The pope is called Holy Father. We have one Holy Father in heaven.

Another title for the bishop of Rome (pope) is supreme pontiff, in Latin it's pontifex maximus, which means High Priest. Jesus the Son is our one true High Priest in heaven with the Father.

Another title for the pope is Vicar of Jesus Christ. Vicar is from the Latin vicarius, which actually means in place of, or substitute. Jesus Christ substituted the Holy Spirit for himself after he ascended to the Father. Jesus sent in his place the Holy Spirit to aid and comfort the church believers. The Holy Spirit is our Vicar of Jesus Christ.

So you see, the RCC hold its leader out as the trinitarian replacement on earth for the Father Son and Holy Spirit.

You claim you are a RCC member; go and test the spirit of the RCC as you are instructed by Apostle John. 1 John 4:1-21. See just how much error you will find.

The word of God is clear: we have one mediator, the Lord Jesus Christ, to whom we speak directly and personally, in a one on one conversation, in our own personal private chamber.

The problem with most in the rcc is their super-dependence on their parish priest to tell them all they need to know.

papacy (n.)
late 14c., papacie, "the office or jurisdiction of a pope," from Medieval Latin papatia "papal office," from Late Latin papa "pope" (see pope). Old English had papdom in this sense. Meaning "the succession or line of popes; the system of ecclesiastical government based upon authority of the Bishop of Rome over the Church" is from 1540s.
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=papacy

vicar (n.)
early 14c., from Anglo-French vicare, Old French vicaire "deputy, second in command," also in the ecclesiastical sense (12c.), from Latin vicarius "a substitute, deputy, proxy," noun use of adjective vicarius "substituted, delegated," from vicis "change, interchange, succession; a place, position" (from PIE root *weik- (2) "to bend, to wind"). The original notion is of "earthly representative of God or Christ;" but also used in sense of "person acting as parish priest in place of a real parson" (early 14c.).

The original Vicar of Bray (in figurative use from 1660s) seems to have been Simon Allen, who held the benefice from c. 1540 to 1588, thus serving from the time of Henry VIII to Elizabeth I, being twice a Catholic and twice a Protestant but always vicar of Bray. The village is near Maidenhead in Berkshire.
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=vicar

pontiff (n.)
c. 1600, "high priest," from French pontif (early 16c.), from Latin pontifex, title of a Roman high priest (see pontifex). Used for "bishop" in Church Latin, but not recorded in that sense in English until 1670s, specifically "the bishop of Rome," the pope. Pontifical, however, is used with reference to the pope from mid-15c.
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=+pontiff

bishop (n.)
Old English bisceop "bishop, high priest (Jewish or pagan)," from Late Latin episcopus, from Greek episkopos "watcher, (spiritual) overseer," a title for various government officials, later taken over in a Church sense, from epi- "over" (see epi-) + skopos "one that watches, one that looks after; a guardian, protector" (from PIE root *spek- "to observe"). Given a specific sense in the Church, but the word also was used in the New Testament as a descriptive title for elders, and continues as such in some non-hierarchical Christian sects.

A curious example of word-change, as effected by the genius of different tongues, is furnished by the English bishop and the French évêque. Both are from the same root, furnishing, perhaps the only example of two words from a common stem so modifying themselves in historical times as not to have a letter in common. (Of course many words from a far off Aryan stem are in the same condition.) The English strikes off the initial and terminal syllables, leaving only piscop, which the Saxon preference for the softer labial and hissing sounds modified into bishop. Évêque (formerly evesque) merely softens the p into v and drops the last syllable. [William S. Walsh, "Handy-Book of Literary Curiosities," Philadelphia, J.B. Lippincott, 1892]
Late Latin episcopus in Spanish became obispo, in Italian vescovo, in Welsh esgob. The Germanic forms include Old Saxon biscop, Old High German biscof. Further afield it became Lithuanian vyskupas, Albanian upeshk, Finnish piispa. A once-popular pun on it was bite-sheep (1550s, also in German, biss-schaf). The chess piece (formerly archer, before that alfin) was so called from 1560s.
https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=bishop

Online Etymology Dictionary
https://www.etymonline.com/

Nothing there that supports your claims Jerry.

Now, go to Official Catholic Sources, not those of Seventh Day Adventists which are well know for making up nonsense about the Pope and about the Catholic Church.

I'm not SDA, they're a cult. But so is the RCC, they just have more power and they hide it better.

The office of pope is called the papacy, which is from the Latin papa, and from the Greek pappas, all of which means Father. The pope is called Holy Father. We have one Holy Father in heaven.

Another title for the bishop of Rome (pope) is supreme pontiff, in Latin it's pontifex maximus, which means High Priest. Jesus the Son is our one true High Priest in heaven with the Father.

Another title for the pope is Vicar of Jesus Christ. Vicar is from the Latin vicarius, which actually means in place of, or substitute. Jesus Christ substituted the Holy Spirit for himself after he ascended to the Father. Jesus sent in his place the Holy Spirit to aid and comfort the church believers. The Holy Spirit is our Vicar of Jesus Christ.

So you see, the RCC hold its leader out as the trinitarian replacement on earth for the Father Son and Holy Spirit.

You claim you are a RCC member; go and test the spirit of the RCC as you are instructed by Apostle John. 1 John 4:1-21. See just how much error you will find.

The word of God is clear: we have one mediator, the Lord Jesus Christ, to whom we speak directly and personally, in a one on one conversation, in our own personal private chamber.

The problem with most in the rcc is their super-dependence on their parish priest to tell them all they need to know.

I do not believe your claims of "trinitarian replacement " You must prove it from Official Catholic Sources otherwise I am going with you are making all that up. FYI, I am not Catholic, I just believe in being honest when making claims about others. I rather go to their sources to post from them to back up any claims I make. newadvent.org

From reading Catholic primary sources, the Pope is the head representative of the Church.

The definitions I gave is from the
Online Etymology Dictionary
https://www.etymonline.com/

Mine too.

Jerry are you saying a cult made copies of our NT? Because it was the Church Fathers among other Catholics that did so back in history. Thus if they are not of Jesus you have no reason to believe the Bible at all.

Jesus is head of the Ekklesia, not a man.

Then go to the same one I posted from and copy and paste each definition like I did to verify. Also, include the links.

Jesus is the head of mystical Church aka Universal Church. In the NT Apostles were the heads of the Church on Earth aka the Visible or Local Churches.

Ephesians 4:11
And that same Christ gave these gifts to people: He made some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to go and tell the Good News, and some to care for and teach God’s people.

Ephesians 1:22
God put everything under Christ’s power and made him head over everything for the church.

Ephesians 5:23
A husband is the head of his wife, just as Christ is the head of the church. Christ is the Savior of the church, which is his body.

Colossians 1:18
He is the head of the body, which is the church. He is the beginning of everything else. And he is the first among all who will be raised from death. So in everything he is most important.

John 21:17
A third time Jesus said, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was sad because Jesus asked him three times, “Do you love me?” He said, “Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you!” Jesus said to him, “Take care of my sheep.

The RCC teaches lots of truth, and they did help preserve the ancient writings. But by definition, they are a cult. Fealty to the pope or your life was in jeopardy.

After the RCC was established by Constantine it became a power hungry political whore, among other things. Unbiblicsl doctrines, indulgences, murdered millions for questioning their doctrines and copying scripture for personal edification.