How to be guaranteed heaven?
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Beautiful verses: I much prefer to just take them for what they say and not add my own ideas/conclusions to what they say. It is really much better:
Thus:
I John 5:1 - The one who is believing that Jesus is the Christ has been born out of God -- Amen! Praise the Lord!
Ephesians 1:13 - after hearing . . . and after believing . . ., you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise! -- Amen! Praise the Lord
I guess if you want to add beliefs about not being able to be unborn or unsealing and resealing you can do that! The Scriptures are good enough for me just the way they are! PTL!
By the way, Ephesians 1:13 is not a promise, it is a statement.
Thus:
I John 5:1 - The one who is believing that Jesus is the Christ has been born out of God -- Amen! Praise the Lord!
Ephesians 1:13 - after hearing . . . and after believing . . ., you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise! -- Amen! Praise the Lord
I guess if you want to add beliefs about not being able to be unborn or unsealing and resealing you can do that! The Scriptures are good enough for me just the way they are! PTL!
By the way, Ephesians 1:13 is not a promise, it is a statement.
Interesting! Interesting!
First of all, could you please show me where I said that John 3:18 says: "he that believes not is condemned because he is not presently believing" ?
John 3:18 says: the one not believing in him is condemned already because he has not believed in past time completely with ongoing results (Greek perfect tense). That is what I believe this verse says: not what you say I say it means . . .
First of all, could you please show me where I said that John 3:18 says: "he that believes not is condemned because he is not presently believing" ?
John 3:18 says: the one not believing in him is condemned already because he has not believed in past time completely with ongoing results (Greek perfect tense). That is what I believe this verse says: not what you say I say it means . . .
Yes , you have made repenting from our sins , into repenting from not believing you already have eternal
Life
=> If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life:You are guaranteed hell.
=> Unless you repent from your unbelief.”
Your argument is that of someone doesn’t believe in ultra grace salvstion they need to repent of that 😊
I didn’t miss it brother , I actually heard what you are saying. Your argument is that of someone doesn’t believe they can never be lost they need to repent
The Bible doesn’t teach anything like that the Bible teaches us to believe what God said and repent if we don’t believe his word
not repent of you don’t believe your already saved . No one ever said that in scripture was why I replied it’s the ultra grave distortion
repenting is about your deeds not whether you believe your saved or not you have to believe the gospel Jesus preached
so my position is this
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
Unbelief of Jesus word is what will condemn not imagining we’re already saved regardless of his word
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50
It sounds nice to say we’re going to be saved and judged by unwarranted favor but it’s untrue is the thing . We are going to be judged by the judgement of God given through Christ and it isn’t a matter of going to Jesus the at day saying “ I’m already saved lord your judgement doesn’t apply “
repenting is about turning from our sins it has nothing to do with believing we’re already saved
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=> If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life:You are guaranteed hell.
=> Unless you repent from your unbelief.”
Your argument is that of someone doesn’t believe in ultra grace salvstion they need to repent of that 😊
I didn’t miss it brother , I actually heard what you are saying. Your argument is that of someone doesn’t believe they can never be lost they need to repent
The Bible doesn’t teach anything like that the Bible teaches us to believe what God said and repent if we don’t believe his word
not repent of you don’t believe your already saved . No one ever said that in scripture was why I replied it’s the ultra grave distortion
repenting is about your deeds not whether you believe your saved or not you have to believe the gospel Jesus preached
so my position is this
“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
Mark 1:14-15 KJV
Unbelief of Jesus word is what will condemn not imagining we’re already saved regardless of his word
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
John 12:48-50
It sounds nice to say we’re going to be saved and judged by unwarranted favor but it’s untrue is the thing . We are going to be judged by the judgement of God given through Christ and it isn’t a matter of going to Jesus the at day saying “ I’m already saved lord your judgement doesn’t apply “
repenting is about turning from our sins it has nothing to do with believing we’re already saved
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Excellent subject matter and love everything from all participants. I only differ on one thought, Jesus paid for our sins by His shed Blood, not by His Resurrection. His Resurrection guarantees our own resurrections should we die before He returns, but his BLOOD covers our sins through His ultimate Sacrifice.
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Good point and I agree - though I say it a little differently and add an important point to the resurrection:
The blood of Jesus is what allows/brings forgiveness of sins. I think "cover" is an inadequate term.
The resurrection not only has to do with our future bodily resurrection, but it also has to do with daily living (power) over the control of sin.
The blood of Jesus is what allows/brings forgiveness of sins. I think "cover" is an inadequate term.
The resurrection not only has to do with our future bodily resurrection, but it also has to do with daily living (power) over the control of sin.
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his resurrection guarantees this
“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
Acts 17:30-
his blood pays this penalty for sinners
“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
Ezekiel 18:4 KJV
so all People were lost by the ot word of you sin you shall die all was lost because of this but God sent salvstion in a man to fulfill the word of death
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
Romans 3:23-
Forebearance means he’s forgiven our sins behind us and let us enter into his presence , giving us time and grace in access to him so we can learn from God , believe him , repent and live.
when we get baptized into Jesus death for our sins ,
when we believe and get baptized it fulfills that word of death
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:3-4
so in Gods eyes we died already for our sins in Christs death , and now are free to approach God and hear his word of life and come to repentance rather than be destroyed if we approach him as the ot now we have grace to come near and bear him and believe
His resurrection means we can be sure that Jesus is the promised messiah and judge of the world. So we know who’s words to hear and believe
“now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
“And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
Acts 17:30-
his blood pays this penalty for sinners
“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.”
Ezekiel 18:4 KJV
so all People were lost by the ot word of you sin you shall die all was lost because of this but God sent salvstion in a man to fulfill the word of death
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
Romans 3:23-
Forebearance means he’s forgiven our sins behind us and let us enter into his presence , giving us time and grace in access to him so we can learn from God , believe him , repent and live.
when we get baptized into Jesus death for our sins ,
when we believe and get baptized it fulfills that word of death
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Romans 6:3-4
so in Gods eyes we died already for our sins in Christs death , and now are free to approach God and hear his word of life and come to repentance rather than be destroyed if we approach him as the ot now we have grace to come near and bear him and believe
His resurrection means we can be sure that Jesus is the promised messiah and judge of the world. So we know who’s words to hear and believe
“now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.”
I don't see how the premise would be nonsense. It would be a form of OSAS, thus remains a valid interpretation by itself.
Salvation after death would not guarantee that anyone would necessarily find salvation, merely that the opportunity for salvation doesn't end at bodily death.
Few just means less than half. Many means multitude. The statements "few" and "many" can coexist without contradiction.
"Seek and ye shall find" Do few seek?
The premise of Matthew 7:14 meaning that less than half of everyone (the few) will find life is interesting. Perhaps there is a distinction between finding the narrow gate and the narrow gate being revealed (but maybe not). There are some scriptural interpretations that put a specific number on the few. Needs investigation.
@Pilgrimshope
Hebrews 4:15 “without sin” Jonah 3:10 “God repented” Exodus 32:14 “the LORD repented”
=> God is without sin&yet God repents (from what?)
If you falsely says that "repent" means "repent from your sin" you are calling God a sinner!
=> "repent" means "turn" or "repent" from something.
=> The sentence&text lets you know from what.
John 11:26 “whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die”
John 3:16 “whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”
John 3:18 “he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed”
=> Jesus promises those who have received everlasting life by belief can never lose it.
=> Jesus promises those who have not believed are condemned.
You yet have not believed Jesus gave you unlosable everlasting life.
I honestly beg you man to please believe it even just for 1 second.
Then you can instantly go back to your previous belief.
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@Chester Hi man I would like to ask you 3 things.
"He that believes not is condemned because he has not believed completely with ongoing results."
What do you mean by "ongoing results"?
Those who have received eternal life by complete belief;
=> You believe it's possible or impossible for them to stop believing?
By the way have you watched 1 of the 2 videos?
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@Jocund
Whoever lives spiritually and believes in me shall never die spiritually.
Whoever has already got eternal life by belief shall by belief get eternal life.
That is nonsensical.
Matthew 7:13 “the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat”
Matthew 7:14 “the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it”
=> I didn't say that many means everyone here we see that "many" is used in contrast to "few".
=> If people could physically die go to hell&believe to get out of hell then many would find life, not few.
The damnable teaching taught to people that they don’t have to receive Jesus' eternal life now, that they will have a second chance that they can die go to hell and then choose to receive it;
This is a damnable lie.
=> 2 Corinthians 6:2 “now is the day of salvation”
Hebrews 4:15 “without sin” Jonah 3:10 “God repented” Exodus 32:14 “the LORD repented”
=> God is without sin&yet God repents (from what?)
If you falsely says that "repent" means "repent from your sin" you are calling God a sinner!
=> "repent" means "turn" or "repent" from something.
=> The sentence&text lets you know from what.
John 11:26 “whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die”
John 3:16 “whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”
John 3:18 “he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed”
=> Jesus promises those who have received everlasting life by belief can never lose it.
=> Jesus promises those who have not believed are condemned.
You yet have not believed Jesus gave you unlosable everlasting life.
I honestly beg you man to please believe it even just for 1 second.
Then you can instantly go back to your previous belief.
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@Chester Hi man I would like to ask you 3 things.
"He that believes not is condemned because he has not believed completely with ongoing results."
What do you mean by "ongoing results"?
Those who have received eternal life by complete belief;
=> You believe it's possible or impossible for them to stop believing?
By the way have you watched 1 of the 2 videos?
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@Jocund
Whoever lives spiritually and believes in me shall never die spiritually.
Whoever has already got eternal life by belief shall by belief get eternal life.
That is nonsensical.
Matthew 7:13 “the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat”
Matthew 7:14 “the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it”
=> I didn't say that many means everyone here we see that "many" is used in contrast to "few".
=> If people could physically die go to hell&believe to get out of hell then many would find life, not few.
The damnable teaching taught to people that they don’t have to receive Jesus' eternal life now, that they will have a second chance that they can die go to hell and then choose to receive it;
This is a damnable lie.
=> 2 Corinthians 6:2 “now is the day of salvation”
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From Jn 11:25 - "he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live"
From Jn 11:26 - "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
The premise of this interpretation in John 11:26 is "Once saved, always saved" (OSAS).
From Jn 11:26 - "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
It appears that you might still be incorrectly parsing the passage section as "A" AND "B" therefore "C" instead of correctly as "A" therefore "B" AND "C".
If we agree on the premise that "never die" refers to continual life in an incorruptible spiritual body, that leaves us with two possibilities for "whoeverso liveth": either it is a physical (corruptible body) life or it is a spiritual (incorruptible body) life.
Death also has an important array of potential interpretations too. Either it refers to the sleep of death which some encounter and some don't, or it refers to the death of the physical body.
Why would salvation in Hades necessitate many? It doesn't logically follow.
The specific brand of OSAS would interpret that each moment of a person is weighed for salvation, not a person as a whole. None of us make it to salvation whole: there is a purification process which burns away our unworthy parts. Each day is a day to find salvation. A person that would find salvation only in Hades would have very little of them saved, but they would indeed be saved.
This is the interpretation, but I have yet to find any scripture that would rule it out. The premise isn't about a second chance, the premise is that death doesn't end the opportunity for salvation (only the day of judgement does).
From Jn 11:26 - "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
The premise of this interpretation in John 11:26 is "Once saved, always saved" (OSAS).
From Jn 11:26 - "And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die."
It appears that you might still be incorrectly parsing the passage section as "A" AND "B" therefore "C" instead of correctly as "A" therefore "B" AND "C".
If we agree on the premise that "never die" refers to continual life in an incorruptible spiritual body, that leaves us with two possibilities for "whoeverso liveth": either it is a physical (corruptible body) life or it is a spiritual (incorruptible body) life.
Death also has an important array of potential interpretations too. Either it refers to the sleep of death which some encounter and some don't, or it refers to the death of the physical body.
Why would salvation in Hades necessitate many? It doesn't logically follow.
The specific brand of OSAS would interpret that each moment of a person is weighed for salvation, not a person as a whole. None of us make it to salvation whole: there is a purification process which burns away our unworthy parts. Each day is a day to find salvation. A person that would find salvation only in Hades would have very little of them saved, but they would indeed be saved.
This is the interpretation, but I have yet to find any scripture that would rule it out. The premise isn't about a second chance, the premise is that death doesn't end the opportunity for salvation (only the day of judgement does).
LOL! I think before I answer any more of your questions you need to answer mine: I have asked this several times and you skirt the issue.
You said the following in your opening post and have been repeating the same idea to me several times:
If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life: You are guaranteed hell.
=> Unless you repent from your unbelief.
If what you say above is true, I am going to hell - in fact I am guaranteed hell!
Where is that in the Bible? (Not your ideas, but where does the Bible say that?)
You said the following in your opening post and have been repeating the same idea to me several times:
If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life: You are guaranteed hell.
=> Unless you repent from your unbelief.
If what you say above is true, I am going to hell - in fact I am guaranteed hell!
Where is that in the Bible? (Not your ideas, but where does the Bible say that?)
@SoulSearcher
Hi man, after you became an eternally hell immune child of God by one time repenting from unbelief;
Why does afterward God proceeds to now temporarily scourge you on earth the less you repent from sin?
=> Because he loves you!
=> Hebrews 12:6 “whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth”
A parent that loves his children disciplines them.
Once the children of God physically die&go to heaven: they no longer sin&are no longer scourged.
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@Chester
( My last comment was the first time I ever asked you a question. Perhaps the situation is misread on my part to take what you are doing as dishonesty, which is why I somewhat hesitated to include this warranted paragraph, not saying it will but I hope it won't subjectively prevent you from acknowledging the following holy verses with honesty. )
The holy verses written down in the holy word of God, they are not my ideas, falsely saying that they are is inappropriate&dishonest.
The holy bible is God's ideas.
I repeatedly quoted God's own ideas, the ideas of God himself multiple verses of God authoritatively saying that those who yet have not believed Jesus gave them unlosable everlasting life are guaranteed hell.
Among these shown verses here are 3:
John 11:26 “whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die”
John 3:16 “whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”
John 3:18 “he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed”
You yet have not believed Jesus gave you everlasting life which makes it so that you'll never die.
HE THAT BELIEVES NOT IS CONDEMNED:
a) because he has not believed
b) because he is not presently believing
c) because he has not believed with ongoing results
Hi man, after you became an eternally hell immune child of God by one time repenting from unbelief;
Why does afterward God proceeds to now temporarily scourge you on earth the less you repent from sin?
=> Because he loves you!
=> Hebrews 12:6 “whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth”
A parent that loves his children disciplines them.
Once the children of God physically die&go to heaven: they no longer sin&are no longer scourged.
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@Chester
( My last comment was the first time I ever asked you a question. Perhaps the situation is misread on my part to take what you are doing as dishonesty, which is why I somewhat hesitated to include this warranted paragraph, not saying it will but I hope it won't subjectively prevent you from acknowledging the following holy verses with honesty. )
The holy verses written down in the holy word of God, they are not my ideas, falsely saying that they are is inappropriate&dishonest.
The holy bible is God's ideas.
I repeatedly quoted God's own ideas, the ideas of God himself multiple verses of God authoritatively saying that those who yet have not believed Jesus gave them unlosable everlasting life are guaranteed hell.
Among these shown verses here are 3:
John 11:26 “whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die”
John 3:16 “whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life”
John 3:18 “he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed”
You yet have not believed Jesus gave you everlasting life which makes it so that you'll never die.
HE THAT BELIEVES NOT IS CONDEMNED:
a) because he has not believed
b) because he is not presently believing
c) because he has not believed with ongoing results
John 11:26 says very clearly that the one who is living and believing (Greek present tense = ongoing action) in Jesus will never die.
I am believing and living in Jesus - and as long as that is true - I will never die
I don't see anywhere where that verse says: "If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life: You are guaranteed hell. "
John 3:16 says very clearly that the one believing (Greek present tense = ongoing action) in Jesus might not perish but is continuing to have (Greek present tense) eternal life.
I am believing in Jesus and I am continuing to have eternal life! PTL! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
I don't see anywhere where that verse says: "If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life: You are guaranteed hell. "
John 3:18 very clearly says that the one who is not continuing to believe (Greek present tense) in Jesus has already been judged (Greek perfect tense = completed action with ongoing results), because he has not believed (Greek perfect tense = completed action with ongoing results) in the name of the only begotten Son of God
I am believing in Jesus and in his name and trusting in his atoning work on Calvary.
I do not see anywhere where that verse says: "If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life: You are guaranteed hell. "
Then you say (and this is exactly quoted): You yet have not believed Jesus gave you everlasting life which makes it so that you'll never die.
I have believed and confirm that Jesus has given to me eternal everlasting life. I am believing and living in Him and believe in Him and in His atoning death alone for my salvation.
So, first you said I will go to hell because I do not believe in "unlosable" eternal life. This is a direct quote from you:
"If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life: You are guaranteed hell.
=> Unless you repent from your unbelief. " I asked you to show me where you get the word "unlosable" and you gave no Scripture that says this.
Now on your last post you said that You yet have not believed Jesus gave you everlasting life
And whether I said it before or not, I will say it here again:
I know and am convinced 100% that I am believing in Jesus Christ and that I have eternal life given to me by Jesus.
Finally you wrote this:
HE THAT BELIEVES NOT IS CONDEMNED:
a) because he has not believed
b) because he is not presently believing
c) because he has not believed with ongoing results
I am not sure if you are asking me a multiple choice question, or are giving three things you believe that phrase means?
See above where I give the Greek tense here (perfect tense).
I think our difference is that you believe that to have eternal life one must believe in Jesus Christ and must also believe in the doctrine of "eternal security." I simply believe that to obtain salvation and eternal life one must believe in Jesus (his atoning death and resurrection).
If that is our difference and that is clear I am fine to leave it at that. I am not changing my view unless you can show me a clear Scripture that says salvation is based on belief in Christ and belief in "unlosable" eternal life.
If you want to believe that eternal life is "unlosable" you are allowed to: that is your right.
My issue with you is not so much your belief in "unlosable" eternal life: I have a lot of friends here on CC who believe that way (and of course we debate the subject). My issue with you is that you have made belief in the doctrinal issue of eternal security necessary in order to be saved.
I am believing and living in Jesus - and as long as that is true - I will never die
I don't see anywhere where that verse says: "If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life: You are guaranteed hell. "
John 3:16 says very clearly that the one believing (Greek present tense = ongoing action) in Jesus might not perish but is continuing to have (Greek present tense) eternal life.
I am believing in Jesus and I am continuing to have eternal life! PTL! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!
I don't see anywhere where that verse says: "If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life: You are guaranteed hell. "
John 3:18 very clearly says that the one who is not continuing to believe (Greek present tense) in Jesus has already been judged (Greek perfect tense = completed action with ongoing results), because he has not believed (Greek perfect tense = completed action with ongoing results) in the name of the only begotten Son of God
I am believing in Jesus and in his name and trusting in his atoning work on Calvary.
I do not see anywhere where that verse says: "If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life: You are guaranteed hell. "
Then you say (and this is exactly quoted): You yet have not believed Jesus gave you everlasting life which makes it so that you'll never die.
I have believed and confirm that Jesus has given to me eternal everlasting life. I am believing and living in Him and believe in Him and in His atoning death alone for my salvation.
So, first you said I will go to hell because I do not believe in "unlosable" eternal life. This is a direct quote from you:
"If you have not believed yet that Jesus has given to you unlosable eternal life: You are guaranteed hell.
=> Unless you repent from your unbelief. " I asked you to show me where you get the word "unlosable" and you gave no Scripture that says this.
Now on your last post you said that You yet have not believed Jesus gave you everlasting life
And whether I said it before or not, I will say it here again:
I know and am convinced 100% that I am believing in Jesus Christ and that I have eternal life given to me by Jesus.
Finally you wrote this:
HE THAT BELIEVES NOT IS CONDEMNED:
a) because he has not believed
b) because he is not presently believing
c) because he has not believed with ongoing results
I am not sure if you are asking me a multiple choice question, or are giving three things you believe that phrase means?
See above where I give the Greek tense here (perfect tense).
I think our difference is that you believe that to have eternal life one must believe in Jesus Christ and must also believe in the doctrine of "eternal security." I simply believe that to obtain salvation and eternal life one must believe in Jesus (his atoning death and resurrection).
If that is our difference and that is clear I am fine to leave it at that. I am not changing my view unless you can show me a clear Scripture that says salvation is based on belief in Christ and belief in "unlosable" eternal life.
If you want to believe that eternal life is "unlosable" you are allowed to: that is your right.
My issue with you is not so much your belief in "unlosable" eternal life: I have a lot of friends here on CC who believe that way (and of course we debate the subject). My issue with you is that you have made belief in the doctrinal issue of eternal security necessary in order to be saved.
@Chester
The belief that those who have received everlasting life will never die, is not something I have the power to dictate as necessary in order to be saved, the statement is not from me. Saying I have such power is inappropriate and dishonest.
I sincerely find unfortunate that my answer to your question did not satisfy you.
What do you mean when you say he that believes not is condemned because he has not believed "with ongoing results"?
(you think those who have believed can or cannot stop believing)
Did you watch 1 of the 2 videos?
The belief that those who have received everlasting life will never die, is not something I have the power to dictate as necessary in order to be saved, the statement is not from me. Saying I have such power is inappropriate and dishonest.
I sincerely find unfortunate that my answer to your question did not satisfy you.
What do you mean when you say he that believes not is condemned because he has not believed "with ongoing results"?
(you think those who have believed can or cannot stop believing)
Did you watch 1 of the 2 videos?
(1) He that believes not is condemned because he has not believed "with ongoing results" = that is a simple straightforward meaning of the Greek perfect tense.
(2) I started watching the second of the videos you recommended and was enjoying and agreeing with what he said until he started adding his own ideas to what Scripture said.
(2) I started watching the second of the videos you recommended and was enjoying and agreeing with what he said until he started adding his own ideas to what Scripture said.