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TheLearner

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So I am not allowed to speak for myself? I say I love the law, you say I don't. I say we are saved by faith, you say I don't say that. You give me quotes that are only from your mind.

What in the world is this who "raises the law above" ---above what?

You say the law is a curse, not that the curse is that we are dead if we disobey without Christ, but the law itself if a curse. I say we are saved from that curse through Christ. You seem to deny that the Lord blesses us when we obey, what is this stuff about blessing for the Father's sake? You are not making sense.

Perhaps you think the only blessing the Father gives is salvation, and through faith you are right, God blesses faith. This blessing that results from repentance and faith is salvation. The Lord gives other blessings. Try to read scripture, read about the fruits of the spirit.
I often talk to myself too. Look unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith. and, enjoy people.
 

Blik

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Galatians is the oldest Christian text and says anything contrary to it is cursed
That seems to me very short sighted. Galatians is not the oldest Christian text, even Genesis speaks of Christ. All scripture is truth, Galatians is not alone with truth. No scripture is against any other scripture, God does not go against God.
 

de-emerald

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I just read all of psalms 119 again i took this passage.

Oh, how I love your law!
I meditate on it all day long.
Your commands are always with me.
and make me wiser than my enemies.

The reason why i took this passage is because the enemy is smart and to defeat the enemy we need to be smarter.

The other lovely passage on the law is to have a day of rest from the law. because law = works, We are told to have a rest from works. Which you can rest in anytime too
Hebrews 4:9
9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[a] just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

So to rest in his law means our obedience will flow effortlessy obediance there for = works. so if we have rest in his sabath rest we honour his law obey his law and do good works. which leads to rest. also eternal rest = eternal salvation, this is why where given this holly law which is to rest in his law
 

TMS

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If repentance is still relevant then sin is still relevant, and the law and works are still part of the christian life.
 

Dino246

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The reason why i took this passage is because the enemy is smart and to defeat the enemy we need to be smarter.
Defeating the enemy is not our job. It’s already been accomplished by Jesus Himself.
 

Dino246

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That seems to me very short sighted. Galatians is not the oldest Christian text, even Genesis speaks of Christ.
It’s not shortsighted at all. Galatians is the earliest extant letter penned by a Christian. All the OT books were penned by Jews.
 

de-emerald

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Defeating the enemy is not our job. It’s already been accomplished by Jesus Himself.
we need to be smarter than the enemy everyday, Being smarter than the enemy is our job. where told to stay of sober judgement and to renew our minds daily.
You are correct to say That Jesus defeated the enemy and you would also be correct to say that Jesus can defeat the enemy for us everyday. and you would also to be correct to say that we do not defeat the enemy alone.

This would be honouring the perfect law of Love by not forgetting that Jesus does it for us.
So the reality is your repeating Gods holy law that God does it for us.

The reality is tho the law says you have to stay of sober Judgment to not be devoured by the enemy or to not suffer by the hands of the enemy.
The law also says that many christians are suffering at the hands of the enemy.
 

Dino246

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we need to be smarter than the enemy everyday, Being smarter than the enemy is our job. where told to stay of sober judgement and to renew our minds daily.
You are correct to say That Jesus defeated the enemy and you would also be correct to say that Jesus can defeat the enemy for us everyday. and you would also to be correct to say that we do not defeat the enemy alone.

This would be honouring the perfect law of Love by not forgetting that Jesus does it for us.
So the reality is your repeating Gods holy law that God does it for us.

The reality is tho the law says you have to stay of sober Judgment to not be devoured by the enemy or to not suffer by the hands of the enemy.
The law also says that many christians are suffering at the hands of the enemy.
Shifting focus slightly...

It appears to me, in reading your comments here and elsewhere, that you are concerned with "honouring the law". Tell me: when did the law become a person worthy of honour? The "religion" of Christianity, as you call it, is not fundamentally about "law"; it's about relationship. Our relationship with God through Jesus Christ is NOT based on law. Calling it "law" only confuses people, and it has confused you.

Please, ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to your heart. Read Galatians and Hebrews. As long as you are under "law", you are subject to fear and pride... the former from .thinking that you are not doing enough, and the latter from thinking that you are. The Sabbath rest we have is from all this junk about measuring up by our own effort. We never will. That's why we rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ.
 
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I will say I apply 1 Corinthians 12:12-27 to the trinity

Yes, they are different parts, but divinity is one
and? that does not change what you post
 
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SophieT

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Do you actually think we should scold the Lord for creating our earth with law because we cannot keep it? Does our not being able to keep the law contaminate the law itself?

Scripture tells us the law is holy and it is good, and I am dragged through the mud for repeating what scripture tells us. Most posts try to make law keeping part of salvation when scripture tells us they are separate from each other. There is no post that say do not keep the law, thank heavens, but they come close to this, and they usually relate this keeping or not keeping law to salvation even though scripture tells us they are apart from each other. There seems to be no common sense.
who are you talking to? I posted about Jesus

what is this nonsense you have come up with?
 
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SophieT

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Paul would not want us to be slaves, do you think Paul was teaching us not to obey the law so we would not be enslaved?

You speak of knowing scripture so you know the mind of God, yet much of what is said is against scripture.

To be in tune with scripture there would not be all this ------ about how TEEERRRIBBLE it is to try to obey the law.
do you know Jesus Blik? I posted about Jesus

Romans 8:3 — New Living Translation (NLT)
3 The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.
 

Rosemaryx

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do you know Jesus Blik? I posted about Jesus

Romans 8:3 — New Living Translation (NLT)
3 The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.
Scripture in a nutshell...
...xox...
 
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SophieT

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If repentance is still relevant then sin is still relevant, and the law and works are still part of the christian life.

how so? the law condemns those without Christ

are you without Christ? (I don't think so but one must ask themselves that question if they believe the law and works gain or keep salvation)

so called 'works' are not a part of our salvation, but rather are initiated and done because of salvation

many in this world without Christ do good works. they are not saved
 
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SophieT

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The reason why i took this passage is because the enemy is smart and to defeat the enemy we need to be smarter.
the devil was once one of the highest created angels of the Lord. he has been around since then and was cast out of heaven...out of God's sight down onto this earth

you are not smarter than he is. you will never be smarter than he is.

Jesus spoke the truth from the word and that is also our weapon. in other words, we use truth against the lies of the enemy.

if that is how Jesus dealt with him, you think you have a better way?
 
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SophieT

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for the record, Psalm 119 is not a Psalm of David. there are 3 choices for who might have written it and David is one, but it cannot be said he wrote it in the sense he is the author of so many other Psalms

the author is actually unknown. such confusion in this thread
 

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To be even smart like Satan , we would have to have a wicked , deceitful heart like him , we are not to entertain him at all...
He is the father of lies , who once owned our souls , we are now bought and paid for by the blood of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ...

We must put on and keep on the Armor of God to protect us from Satan , and if you truly think we can be smarter then he is , well that is very foolish indeed...
...xox...
 

Rosemaryx

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for the record, Psalm 119 is not a Psalm of David. there are 3 choices for who might have written it and David is one, but it cannot be said he wrote it in the sense he is the author of so many other Psalms

the author is actually unknown. such confusion in this thread
So much confusion in many threads these days...It is scary what is being posted...
Thank God He has warned us through His word that these people come creeping in...
...xox...
 
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SophieT

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There is an awful lot that can be learned and plenty to study in Psalm 119, but telling people it is the law and try to use it as a measuring stick against others, is just nonsense. Far too many people seem to think they are at liberty to select what appeals to them and create doctrine and then condemn others who point out their error.

Certain personalities will gravitate to law keeping and rules etc, but we need to come to the place where we understand that the law actually condemns us without Christ.

This Psalm actually tells us much about God as you can see if you scroll down a little farther...the list 1 through 8. Many scholars have studied this Psalm and not one of them has come up with the conclusion that the law now is head over Christians. Not one.

Some facts about Psalm 119

Containing 176 verses, Psalm 119 is the longest single chapter in the Bible. The author of Psalm 119 is unknown, but most scholars agree that it was written by David, Ezra, or Daniel. Each of these proposed authors suffered serious difficulties in his life, and the author of Psalm 119 reflects that in descriptions of plots, slanders, and taunts against him (verses 23, 42, 51, 150 ), persecutions (verses 61, 86, 95, 110, 121, 134, 157, 161), and afflictions (verses 67, 71, 143, 153). The persecution and affliction of the man (and woman) of God is a major theme of Psalm 119.

Another prominent theme in Psalm 119 is the profound truth that the Word of God is all-sufficient. Psalm 119 is an expansion of Psalm 19:7–9: “The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul. The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple. The precepts of the LORD are right, giving joy to the heart. The commands of the LORD are radiant, giving light to the eyes. The fear of the LORD is pure, enduring forever. The ordinances of the LORD are sure and altogether righteous.” There are eight different terms referring to the Word of God throughout the psalm: law, testimonies, precepts, statues, commandments, judgments, word, and ordinances. In almost every verse, the Word of God is mentioned. Psalm 119 affirms not only the character of the Scriptures, but it affirms that God’s Word reflects the very character of God Himself. Notice these attributes of God ascribed to Scripture in Psalm 119:

1. Righteousness (verses 7, 62, 75, 106, 123, 138, 144, 160, 164, 172)
2. Trustworthiness (verse 42)
3. Truthfulness (verses 43, 142, 151, 160)
4. Faithfulness (verse 86)
5. Unchangeableness (verse 89)
6. Eternality (verses 90,152)
7. Light (verse 105)
8. Purity (verse 140)


The format of Psalm 119 is an alphabetic acrostic, meaning that the first letters of each line in Hebrew follow through the alphabet, 8 lines per letter, thus 8 lines x 22 letters in Hebrew = 176 lines. One message of this psalm is that we are to live a lifestyle that demonstrates obedience to the Lord, who is a God of order (hence the acrostic structure), not of chaos.

The psalm opens with two beatitudes. “Blessed” are those whose ways are blameless, who live according to God’s law, who keep His statutes and seek Him with all their heart. The author of the psalm is a man who has known great trouble in his life, but also one who has come through it with a deep and passionate understanding of God’s unfailing love and compassion (Psalm 119:75–77). Throughout his affliction, the author clings to the truths he learns from the Scriptures, which are eternal and “stand firm in the heavens” (Psalm 119:89–91). His love for the Word of God and his dedication to remember it and live by it is a theme that is repeated over and over (verses 11, 15–16, 24, 34, 44, 47, 55, 60, etc.).

These are the lessons for us in this great psalm. The Word of God is sufficient to make us wise, train us in righteousness, and equip us for every good work (2 Timothy 3:15–17). The Scriptures are a reflection of God’s nature, and from them we learn that we can trust His character and His plan and purposes for mankind, even when those plans include affliction and persecution. Blessed indeed are we if our delight is in the law of the Lord, and on His law we meditate day and night (Psalm 1:2).