about the baker who lost business when sued by "gays"

I was relieved when I heard that theSupreme Court, which I had almost come to despise, made the correct decision in the baker case..

A baker named Phillips in CO had to deal with "gay people" demanding that he bake them a cake for their same sex wedding and he refused bc of his Christians beliefs on gay marriage. (I put "gay" in quotes attimes bc I don't believe in being gay, don't believe anyone is born gay.. its nonsense)

So the Supreme Ct voted in favor of religious freedom... whew... They've made a lot of bad decisions b4 butthis was not one of them.

So then a transgendered person thought he (she?) would do the samething to the same guy! Unbelievable.

Phillips had lost 40% of his business over thefirst lawsuit, fighting some (city?) Commission that ordered him not to make certain kinds of cakes anymore... So much for "it's a free country"...

anyway, the transgendered person at some point dropped the suit

I just thought I would share this w/ others who may not know about it..

sigh

[nostalgic sigh for the good old days when hardly anyone claimed to be "gay"]

If it were my shop, I'd have made the cake. Why? Because as a Christian, I need to interact with those who are "sick" . . . not those who are fine and good. I'm sure that the cake wasn't meant to have genitals draped all over it, but probably more like a normal cake . . . and if this is the cake, this was the Christian man's opportunity to show the Love to Christ. But . . . that's not what happened.

We're really blowing it in this world, Christians!

I sell all sorts of books in the bookshop, Bibles as well as things like pencil sharpeners and tarot cards.

I just pray for that the witches arent using the tarot cards for evil purposes. Or the people buying pencil sharpeners arent poking people in the eye with pencils. And the people buying the Bibles arent bashing people on the head with them.

I am not sure why my boss orders in the tarot cards. but its his business not mine. You dont get a say. If I owned the business I probably wouldnt stock them. Then the witches might go somewhere else. Or maybe they would just buy Cards Against Humanity which are even worse.

I’m not the baker and I really don’t know the entire situation. I really don’t know why it had to go that far. Rather than lose his customers or finances fighting this battle perhaps a little strategy could have been employed or even a little diplomacy.

Either the couple knew he wouldn’t bake the cake and picked a fight or his outward expression caused them to make an example. Losing business and time fighting the system might have been a hollow victory in the end. A simple, “Sorry, I’m way too busy that weekend.” might have saved him some frustration. At that point anyone who insisted and threw in a bigotry accusation would have got a cake alright. It would be a “masterpiece” on the house, with the excuse, “Sorry, it’s not exactly what you wanted. I did tell you I was busy. No charge.” By then it would be too late for them to get another one.

Shrewd as serpents....

Whatever happened to no shirt, no shoes, no service?

I'm glad to hear about the court's decision. Thanks for posting.

I'm sure the bakery owner felt if he baked the cake he would giving implicit approval to the gay wedding and he didn't want that on his conscience.

I admire your intentions, but where do we draw a line in the sand? What if the gay couple had said, by the way we actually do want the little figurines atop the cake to have their junk hanging out? Would that cross the line? I don't think we should let things like gay marriage scare us or prevent us loving certain people; however, there comes a point at which we compromise our values too much and the world just looks at us as one of them. Why would they even take us seriously?

Because it is an opportunity to tell people that we love them, regardless of what their Sin Nature is like. The Sin Nature is the Sin Nature, and though Jesus has cut out my Old Sinful Nature, that doesn't mean that I cannot express my understanding for the dilemma that "they" undergo. Just because my old Sin Nature didn't cause me to desire same sex relationships, doesn't mean that I was any more wrong by sleeping with several women in the same week . . . all unprotected. Romans 7 clearly teaches that the Sinful Way of a person is not the person themselves . . . but it is something else.

Romans 7:17, 20 KJV - "Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. ... 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me."

Forgiveness is easy when we view sin in this way. No one can help but sinning until Christ removes that Sinful State of "man."

Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. ... 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."

Until the Sinful Nature is cut away and removed, we must show the world that we Love them with the Love of Christ. Christ died for all, so we must share His Love with all. No exceptions . . . get to it "Christians"!

Jesus loved people but NOT sin

"Go and sin no more"

Today, it seems people are twisting His Words to say "Go and accept all manner of sin and don't bother trying too hard to overcome it (because people of the world don't)"

sheez

different situation

this guy owned the shop

He should not have been forced by the govt to suppress his religious views... no, to give them up "temporarily" (is more accurate)

Religious freedom for all.... It is one of the top reasons Christians supported Trump in big #s

(although even Democrats voted for him and more blacks also, probably since the end of the Civil War...)

The way that you have quoted and paraphrased my words . . . are you serious? lol

Edit . . . Oh wait! Maybe you were in support of what I've written? Even funnier. hehe

well he was a bit shooting himself in the foot there.
He could have handled it a number of ways instead of losing his business.

sometimes you need to make friends with mammon of unrigteousness that, when you fail , they will let you into their lasting habitations. see Luke 16:9

for one thing, he did not, that i know of, lose his entire business, just 40% of it

and for another there are numerous scripture passages that say...

"Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness.."

"How can 2 walk together when they disagree?"

"Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers"

Then there is that psg about not allowing yourself to be dirtied (my word) by the unclean.. .not sure where that is but its there...

or as the secular folks often put it

"If you lie down with dogs, u wake up with flees"

so no one is asking anyone to lie down w/ dogs? I beg to differ... Interacting with people who are in grave mortal sin and do not seem to care... not good for us, to say the least...

but most importantly, we are supposed to be a free nation... supposed to have the freedom to practice our religion and govt entities are not allowed to interfere w/ that.. There is Freedom of speech... The baker was being forced to "speak" acceptance of something he did NOT accept morally.

These passages that you are referring to having nothing to do with business, but with friendship. These passages are about relationships with those who are not followers of Christ.

what about religious freedom? or just freedom period.

no one should be forced to do something that goes against his conscience.. A black person cannot change his skin color... so to discriminate against that is wrong.. skin color does not involve a moral issue.

why was it so important for the gay couple to TELL the baker they were gay? Did they ask him to make a cake that showed... well, it probably had to have 2 men on it..

I myself would not like baking such a cake.. I am going to try to find more details bc i seem to have heard that he was required to do something besides bake thecake... put the 2 men on top? Why couldn't that sick couple do that?

they deliberately started all this just to have a court case... is what I've heard

To see if the baker might have any understanding of Grace, Compassion, and Mercy?

If the Lord can Grace, Compassion, and Mercy upon me (which is to receive the Circumcision of Christ), then the least that I can do is offer my own form of Grace, Compassion, and Mercy upon those whom have [not] received the Circumcision of Christ. So I will follow the Path of God.

Exodus 33:19 KJV - "And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy."

Hosea 6:6 KJV - "For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings."

Test. That's our God does. He tests us. He places people and circumstances before us . . . to see if we're "the real deal."

Hebrews 13:2 NLT - "Don't forget to show hospitality to strangers, for some who have done this have entertained angels without realizing it!"

What should a person do if they don't agree with gay marriage; how would you handle it? Would you say something like: Look, I don't agree with gay marriage but I love you so I'll go ahead and do it anyway.

but it's not your shop and no need to be graphically rude

I guess you do not understand the agenda homosexuals have against Christians or even non-Christians who understand what marriage actually is

I would also assume you have no understanding of the word 'precedent'

Precedent refers to a court decision that is considered as authority for deciding subsequent cases involving identical or similar facts, or similar legal issues. Precedent is incorporated into the doctrine of stare decisis and requires courts to apply the law in the same manner to cases with the same facts.

It is not Christ's love to condone or uphold homosexual activity and that includes the false notion that wives or husbands cannot exist in that abnormal coupling

I don't love them. they are a terrible influence over children and adults alike

Now God on the other hand? He sent His only Son to bear their sins, die in their place, shed His blood for those sins and they deliberately go to a CHRISTIAN baker desiring to either make him capitulate to their demands or put him out of business

they know full well about God. Read Romans 1

Thank you for asking. My first thought is this: If a gay person can enter a True Church so as to learn about Christ, and give their life to Him . . . then a gay person should be allowed to enter a stupid cake store. This just boggles my mind . . . that we expect the Lord to have Grace, Compassion, and Mercy upon us, but we can't do the same thing for others after we've already received His Grace. This is a massive, massive problem.

Next . . . it seems wise to talk about the Holy Remnant, which is the Body of True Believers . . . and believe me, the number of people who belong to the Family of Circumcision is pathetically small. Yes, this means that I am saying that virtually no one around you is a saved Christian, based upon what I am about to present to you below.

Romans 2:28-29 KJV - 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God."

According to Paul above, a True Christian is a person whose Heart has been Spiritually Circumcised by Christ. And if we think that this is just a crazy idea, it isn't. Paul later wrote the following about Spiritual Circumcision:

Colossians 2:11-14 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature. 12 For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead. 13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins. 14 He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross."

The above verses should shock you, for they are descriptive of how Romans 2:28-29 is actually performed and completed. To be Spiritually Circumcised is what it takes to belong to the Holy Remnant of Christ. If you don't understand this idea of the Remnant, then it is time to Read the Old Testament for the first True time and get this sorted quickly. You need to read the entire Bible in a timeline, chronological format so that you can understand the actual, Biblical story. Imagine reading your favorite book, but never reading it in the order of events? Would you say that you understood the book just as well, even though you never read it in a chronological format (chapter 1, 2, then 3, 4, then 5 and six . . . and so on)? Hardly . . . in fact, it would be very difficult to understand that book, and the amount of work it would take to organize it properly would be incredible . . . and that work has been done. Ask me and I will send you a link to a Bible Study that will walk you through the entire Bible in one year, reading in said fashion. This is a must.

So . . . the Remnant. This concept deals solely with the fact that there are very, very few True Believers walking the planet today. The word Remnant means that there are very few remaining and that the few are far out dwarfed by those who are not a part of said Remnant. It is reported that there are 3+ BILLION Christians in the world today. Based upon what we've discussed regarding the Remnant, how could that number of 3+ billion ever be True? Does half, or 1/3 of the population sound like a Remnant? No. Impossible.

Why did I go through all of that . . . just to talk about the gay life and cake stores? If I only sold air conditioning equipment to True Christians, and they are the ones who have Turned to Christ for the removal of their Sinful Nature, how am I going to make any money? I am making the bold claim that "christians" of today don't have a clue as to their professed Faith . . . and it's Working Mechanisms. It doesn't matter what sin we commit . . . if we have stolen, we are no better off than the man who places his circumcised phallus (a circumcision that represents the Most Holy Covenant of Spiritual Circumcision), it into an evil, feces en-coated place. I personally have slept with far, far too many women in my pre-Transformed life, so I am qualified to ask, "What is the difference between my being intimate with several women in a single week . . . which represents a massive sex addiction, or if a gay man has sex with just one man throughout his entire life?" There is no difference.

So . . . does the cake-maker ask each married couple if they've been shagging each other like wild turkey, or have they been obedient? Does the cake-maker ask, "Well . . . tell me now! Have you Turned to Jesus Christ to have your Sinful Nature taken away? Because lookie here Mr. Doodie . . . if you haven't been Purified by my Lord and Savior . . . well, you ain't a comin' in here!"

Utter folly. Total rubbish. Absolute nonsense, and I am ashamed that "christians" can't reach out and help those that are in the ditch. No, no! Instead of realizing that a person needs help, we "christians" think that it's best to make a big scene out of it . . . as if the cake-owner were perfect himself? Foolishness! Because of the Remnant, BY DEFAULT . . . EVERY CHRISTIAN SHOULD ALREADY KNOW that the vast majority of "said christians" are nothing more than wolves in sheep's clothing . . . all just playing the role.

Those that are lost, wayward, sick, or whatever we want to label them . . . they are waiting for each of us "True Christians" to reach out our hands with a non-judgmental attitude, and help them in the way they need to be helped. When we see one of these wayward souls in quicksand, does a True Christian just keep on walking by . . . doing nothing to help? Is that what Christians do? Do we just look, scoff, and keep on walking? It angers me that this is what I see in the world . . . a body of (whatever this thing is) "christians" that don't have a clue, nor do they understand what this Bible is about.

Grace. Our Bible is about Grace.

Do "You" have Grace in your Heart? Or, is Satan still your Father?

John 8:44 NLT - "For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies."