Very concerned about Hebrews 10:26 (New Member)

I would disagree with the poster who said we cannot be lost

We're not saved regardless of how we live or what we do.

I struggle in much the same way. this struggle is compounded by the fact I come from a background of abuse of all kinds including religious abuse by Christian parent a d suffer complex PTSD and a form of OCD around religion called Srupulosity

It still applies today.

You have an false apologetic for every scripture that proves proves the truth of God's word and then you say "show me another!"

These are not mistakes. I don't teach anything unless I am absolutely sure. All that you have listed above are all circumventions to get around the truth, sadly. However, you are free to believe as you will. But I'm telling you that OSAS is a false teaching.

So, we are done with this subject. You have been warned. The Lord will have to make this known to you in person.

Thank you. I don't think I ever had saving faith

I wish you people would quit this corrupt teaching of once saved always saved!

We are save by grace through faith. Faith is what makes connection to God's grace. Faith is our part. Our salvation is dependent upon continuing from faith to faith, not just a one time faith.

There is a huge difference between a believer who sins out of weakness while they are following Christ vs. turning back and willfully living according to the sinful nature.

When a person turns back, they are no longer bearing fruit, no longer being transformed into the image of Christ. Everything stops! Either the person is going to repent and turn back to Christ or they are going to remain in that state, which leads to death. I don't even have to argue this point because the word of God has plenty of scriptures to back this up.

So let me make this clear: If a person turns back to living according to the sinful nature, while in that state they are accumulating sin and are on the their way to death. You can't just make a one time confession of Christ and then live like you were before you came to Him. If that was truth, then the warnings throughout scripture would meaningless.

There are people who received Christ and have turned back to the world and are again involved in sexual immorality, drugs, drunkenness, deception, and all of the other fruits of the sinful nature. A person is sealed if they continue in the faith that they continue in faith. Consider the following scriptures and read them carefully:

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"Once you were alienated from God and were hostile in your minds because of your evil deeds. But now He has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy, unblemished, and blameless in His presence—if indeed you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope of the gospel you heard, which has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant."

Continuance in faith is required!

"We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly to the end the assurance we had at first.

"For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

Faith, faith, faith! Our salvation, the promises, our sealing are all dependent upon continuing in faith from beginning to end. If a believer goes back into the world and is once again willfully living according to the sinful nature, they have wandered away from the truth, which leads to death.

"You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I (Gentiles) could be grafted in.” That is correct: They (Israel) were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will certainly not spare you either."

In the same way that Israel was broken off because of unbelief, so also can a Gentile believer be broken off if that person does not continue in faith.

"But what if the servant is evil and thinks, ‘My master won’t be back for a while,’ and he begins beating the other servants, partying, and getting drunk? The master will return unannounced and unexpected, and he will cut the servant to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

The above is a perfect example of a believer turning back to willfully living according to the sinful nature. Being assigned a place with the hypocrites where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth is outer darkness. Does this sound like once saved, always saved?

"But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die."

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You better think hard about what you believe and are teaching, because you will be held accountable for it.

Once saved, always saved is true if you continue in faith from first to last.

Seriously are you Catholic ?

Seriously...what Catholic holds to a Pre-Mil/Pre Trib position like Ahwatukee does? RCs are usually Amills like many on this forum are, and who actually deride Catholicism, such hypocrisy.

I don't know everyone's position. His soteriology sounds catholic. Dying in a state of grace , ' endure to the end ' ect .

Precious friend, I respect your right to disagree, but we should Also Take
God At HIS Word, in faith, Correct? I do know, Biblically, That Even Though
ALL members of The Body Of CHRIST Have Eternal Life," IF we sin, "we Will
Reap what we have sown." (Gal_6:7 KJB!), "grieving/quenching The Holy
Spirit (Ephesians 4 : 30; 1 Thessalonians 5 : 19 KJB!), Who SEALED us!"
(2 Corinthians 1 : 22 KJB!)

Friend, do you have Scripture That "anyone/anything" Can Break THIS SEAL?
IF so, then that person/thing Has MORE Power Than God, Correct?

Precious friend, the UNsaved are Not Saved Because of their UNbelief. On The
Other Hand, when a sinner recognizes he has "fallen Short Of The GLORY Of God,"
and then humbly believes The Gospel Of GRACE, God SAVES, SEALS {see above note},
And KEEPS that "child of light" Forever, NEVER Ever "allowing that one to return"
to Again be a Former "child of Darkness!" Amen?

Exactly WHY is this The Truth? Is it not Because Of The "Finished"
CrossWork, Producing The {Satisfying The Father!} ALL-Sufficient BLOOD
Of The LORD And Saviour, JESUS CHRIST? Biblical Confirmation Summary!:

Do we believe God’s UNchangeable Word? Or:

Do we Prefer man-Made doctrine: ie: “Christ ONCE knew the Eternally Saved
believer, but, when that one sinned and walked Away, then Christ did NOT know
that Eternally Saved UNbeliever Any Longer!” Please, Provide Scripture, please?

How does that reconcile With God’s UNchangeable Word Of Truth?:

(1) Another UNbreakable SEAL Of God Almighty's SURE Foundation!:
"The LORD Knoweth them that Are HIS!..." (2 Timothy 2:19 KJB!) Amen?

a) HOW LONG Has "The LORD KNOWN them That Are HIS Own"?

b) Hint: God's UNchangeable Scriptures in Ephesians 1:4-6 KJB!

c) Since THESE "Are UNchangeable," {as a few of us believe},
Then, is not "sin and walking away from the Lord if we once
became His Eternally forgiven and saved child" = man's Change?

(2) For those who are LOST, Exactly where is God's UNchangeable
Scripture of HOW LONG "HE KNEW them," Before they "sinned/walked
away And Became LOST"?........................Hint: Matthew 7:21-23 KJB!)

(3) Please Be Very Richly Blessed In the FULL "study" Here!:
58 Solid Biblical Facts FOR God's Eternal Salvation!
{aka God's FREE Gift of {temporary?} ETERNAL Life!

Precious friend(s), see you in God’s Great GloryLand! ↑ ♫

If a believer turns back to willfully living according to the acts of the sinful nature and remain in that state, they will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Yes, I do have scripture that can break that sealing. It's called faith. That sealing and the promises is dependent upon continuing faith from beginning to end. If a believer turns back into the world and willfully lives according to the sinful nature and dies in that state, it leads to death.

God did not send His Son to shed His blood for us so that we could just continue to willfully live according to the sinful nature. And I'm not talking about the sins that we commit out of weakness as we walk in Christ. I'm talking about going back into the world and willfully living according to the sinful nature. I have tons of scripture, which others seem to have an answer for. All they are doing is shooting down the proof and then asking for more. I've already provided a lot of scripture on this subject, but it is rejected as though it did not apply to believers in Christ. If you want to see them, please go back and look at the previous posts in response to "throughfaith."



Your pleading with me is not going to change my conclusions based on scripture. I did not come to this understanding off the cuff of my sleeve, but from many years of study in the word of God.

People also don't like the idea of God being the One who did the choosing of who would be saved throughout all of history and that before the world even began But the scriptures are there that support that God predestined i.e. mark out before the world began, those whom He would save. Likewise, there were people that God did not predestine and whose names were not written in the book of life before the world began.

Grace is the wall socket and faith is the plug. If you remain plugged in, they your sealing and all of the promises are yours. However, if you turn back into the world and willfully live according to the sinful nature and die in that state, it leads to death, i.e. eternal separation from God.

However, if you and others want to believe that a person is saved if they turn from faith and live according to the sinful nature, then you are free to do so. But you will not convince me that all of those scriptures are all segregated and that they do not apply to believers in Christ.

The Lord will have to explain these truths to you all. I'll leave you with the following which was written to the church in Galatia and therefore to all believers:

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Is Paul warning unbelievers? No! He says "I warn you, Galatian believers" The above is directed to the Galatian church and therefore to all believers. If a believer turns back to willfully living according to the acts of the sinful nature and remain in that state, they will not inherit the kingdom of God.

A person IN christ ,regenerated and sealed by the Holy Spirit UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION, which is what a believer is predestined to ( Rom 8.23 ) The problem with your theology is that you don't recognise the difference with the believer during the church age .

Yes, I do have scripture that can break that sealing. It's called faith. That sealing and the promises is dependent upon continuing faith from beginning to end. If a believer turns back into the world and willfully lives according to the sinful nature and dies in that state, it leads to death.

God did not send His Son to shed His blood for us so that we could just continue to willfully live according to the sinful nature. And I'm not talking about the sins that we commit out of weakness as we walk in Christ. I'm talking about going back into the world and willfully living according to the sinful nature. I have tons of scripture, which others seem to have an answer for. All they are doing is shooting down the proof and then asking for more. I've already provided a lot of scripture on this subject, but it is rejected as though it did not apply to believers in Christ. If you want to see them, please go back and look at the previous posts in response to "throughfaith."



Your pleading with me is not going to change my conclusions based on scripture. I did not come to this understanding off the cuff of my sleeve, but from many years of study in the word of God.

People also don't like the idea of God being the One who did the choosing of who would be saved throughout all of history and that before the world even began But the scriptures are there that support that God predestined i.e. mark out before the world began, those whom He would save. Likewise, there were people that God did not predestine and whose names were not written in the book of life before the world began.

Grace is the wall socket and faith is the plug. If you remain plugged in, they your sealing and all of the promises are yours. However, if you turn back into the world and willfully live according to the sinful nature and die in that state, it leads to death, i.e. eternal separation from God.

However, if you and others want to believe that a person is saved if they turn from faith and live according to the sinful nature, then you are free to do so. But you will not convince me that all of those scriptures are all segregated and that they do not apply to believers in Christ.

The Lord will have to explain these truths to you all. I'll leave you with the following which was written to the church in Galatia and therefore to all believers:

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Is Paul warning unbelievers? No! He says "I warn you, Galatian believers" The above is directed to the Galatian church and therefore to all believers. If a believer turns back to willfully living according to the acts of the sinful nature and remain in that state, they will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Yes, I do have scripture that can break that sealing. It's called faith. That sealing and the promises is dependent upon continuing faith from beginning to end. If a believer turns back into the world and willfully lives according to the sinful nature and dies in that state, it leads to death.

God did not send His Son to shed His blood for us so that we could just continue to willfully live according to the sinful nature. And I'm not talking about the sins that we commit out of weakness as we walk in Christ. I'm talking about going back into the world and willfully living according to the sinful nature. I have tons of scripture, which others seem to have an answer for. All they are doing is shooting down the proof and then asking for more. I've already provided a lot of scripture on this subject, but it is rejected as though it did not apply to believers in Christ. If you want to see them, please go back and look at the previous posts in response to "throughfaith."



Your pleading with me is not going to change my conclusions based on scripture. I did not come to this understanding off the cuff of my sleeve, but from many years of study in the word of God.

People also don't like the idea of God being the One who did the choosing of who would be saved throughout all of history and that before the world even began But the scriptures are there that support that God predestined i.e. mark out before the world began, those whom He would save. Likewise, there were people that God did not predestine and whose names were not written in the book of life before the world began.

Grace is the wall socket and faith is the plug. If you remain plugged in, they your sealing and all of the promises are yours. However, if you turn back into the world and willfully live according to the sinful nature and die in that state, it leads to death, i.e. eternal separation from God.

However, if you and others want to believe that a person is saved if they turn from faith and live according to the sinful nature, then you are free to do so. But you will not convince me that all of those scriptures are all segregated and that they do not apply to believers in Christ.

The Lord will have to explain these truths to you all. I'll leave you with the following which was written to the church in Galatia and therefore to all believers:

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Is Paul warning unbelievers? No! He says "I warn you, Galatian believers" The above is directed to the Galatian church and therefore to all believers. If a believer turns back to willfully living according to the acts of the sinful nature and remain in that state, they will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Yes, I do have scripture that can break that sealing. It's called faith. That sealing and the promises is dependent upon continuing faith from beginning to end. If a believer turns back into the world and willfully lives according to the sinful nature and dies in that state, it leads to death.

God did not send His Son to shed His blood for us so that we could just continue to willfully live according to the sinful nature. And I'm not talking about the sins that we commit out of weakness as we walk in Christ. I'm talking about going back into the world and willfully living according to the sinful nature. I have tons of scripture, which others seem to have an answer for. All they are doing is shooting down the proof and then asking for more. I've already provided a lot of scripture on this subject, but it is rejected as though it did not apply to believers in Christ. If you want to see them, please go back and look at the previous posts in response to "throughfaith."



Your pleading with me is not going to change my conclusions based on scripture. I did not come to this understanding off the cuff of my sleeve, but from many years of study in the word of God.

People also don't like the idea of God being the One who did the choosing of who would be saved throughout all of history and that before the world even began But the scriptures are there that support that God predestined i.e. mark out before the world began, those whom He would save. Likewise, there were people that God did not predestine and whose names were not written in the book of life before the world began.

Grace is the wall socket and faith is the plug. If you remain plugged in, they your sealing and all of the promises are yours. However, if you turn back into the world and willfully live according to the sinful nature and die in that state, it leads to death, i.e. eternal separation from God.

However, if you and others want to believe that a person is saved if they turn from faith and live according to the sinful nature, then you are free to do so. But you will not convince me that all of those scriptures are all segregated and that they do not apply to believers in Christ.

The Lord will have to explain these truths to you all. I'll leave you with the following which was written to the church in Galatia and therefore to all believers:

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Is Paul warning unbelievers? No! He says "I warn you, Galatian believers" The above is directed to the Galatian church and therefore to all believers. If a believer turns back to willfully living according to the acts of the sinful nature and remain in that state, they will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Yes, I do have scripture that can break that sealing. It's called faith. That sealing and the promises is dependent upon continuing faith from beginning to end. If a believer turns back into the world and willfully lives according to the sinful nature and dies in that state, it leads to death.

God did not send His Son to shed His blood for us so that we could just continue to willfully live according to the sinful nature. And I'm not talking about the sins that we commit out of weakness as we walk in Christ. I'm talking about going back into the world and willfully living according to the sinful nature. I have tons of scripture, which others seem to have an answer for. All they are doing is shooting down the proof and then asking for more. I've already provided a lot of scripture on this subject, but it is rejected as though it did not apply to believers in Christ. If you want to see them, please go back and look at the previous posts in response to "throughfaith."



Your pleading with me is not going to change my conclusions based on scripture. I did not come to this understanding off the cuff of my sleeve, but from many years of study in the word of God.

People also don't like the idea of God being the One who did the choosing of who would be saved throughout all of history and that before the world even began But the scriptures are there that support that God predestined i.e. mark out before the world began, those whom He would save. Likewise, there were people that God did not predestine and whose names were not written in the book of life before the world began.

Grace is the wall socket and faith is the plug. If you remain plugged in, they your sealing and all of the promises are yours. However, if you turn back into the world and willfully live according to the sinful nature and die in that state, it leads to death, i.e. eternal separation from God.

However, if you and others want to believe that a person is saved if they turn from faith and live according to the sinful nature, then you are free to do so. But you will not convince me that all of those scriptures are all segregated and that they do not apply to believers in Christ.

The Lord will have to explain these truths to you all. I'll leave you with the following which was written to the church in Galatia and therefore to all believers:

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Is Paul warning unbelievers? No! He says "I warn you, Galatian believers" The above is directed to the Galatian church and therefore to all believers. If a believer turns back to willfully living according to the acts of the sinful nature and remain in that state, they will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Yes, I do have scripture that can break that sealing. It's called faith. That sealing and the promises is dependent upon continuing faith from beginning to end. If a believer turns back into the world and willfully lives according to the sinful nature and dies in that state, it leads to death.

God did not send His Son to shed His blood for us so that we could just continue to willfully live according to the sinful nature. And I'm not talking about the sins that we commit out of weakness as we walk in Christ. I'm talking about going back into the world and willfully living according to the sinful nature. I have tons of scripture, which others seem to have an answer for. All they are doing is shooting down the proof and then asking for more. I've already provided a lot of scripture on this subject, but it is rejected as though it did not apply to believers in Christ. If you want to see them, please go back and look at the previous posts in response to "throughfaith."



Your pleading with me is not going to change my conclusions based on scripture. I did not come to this understanding off the cuff of my sleeve, but from many years of study in the word of God.

People also don't like the idea of God being the One who did the choosing of who would be saved throughout all of history and that before the world even began But the scriptures are there that support that God predestined i.e. mark out before the world began, those whom He would save. Likewise, there were people that God did not predestine and whose names were not written in the book of life before the world began.

Grace is the wall socket and faith is the plug. If you remain plugged in, they your sealing and all of the promises are yours. However, if you turn back into the world and willfully live according to the sinful nature and die in that state, it leads to death, i.e. eternal separation from God.

However, if you and others want to believe that a person is saved if they turn from faith and live according to the sinful nature, then you are free to do so. But you will not convince me that all of those scriptures are all segregated and that they do not apply to believers in Christ.

The Lord will have to explain these truths to you all. I'll leave you with the following which was written to the church in Galatia and therefore to all believers:

"The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and sorcery; hatred, discord, jealousy, and rage; rivalries, divisions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Is Paul warning unbelievers? No! He says "I warn you, Galatian believers" The above is directed to the Galatian church and therefore to all believers. If a believer turns back to willfully living according to the acts of the sinful nature and remain in that state, they will not inherit the kingdom of God.

That is a pretty big hypothetical IF.
If that were possible I would agree with you. But through the chastisement/correction (Heb 12:6-11) of His child I find it hard to believe that a born again believer would desire to remain in sin. And since God is not desirous that any of His would perish (2Pet 3:9); as a last resort, He would take them home before they reached a point of 'no-return'.

We have nothing to fear