Visualization in Prayer

Another twisting of Scripture to prove a weak point. Twisting Jesus' words could be seen as blaspheming Him. As we can see through Jesus' experience with Satan in the wilderness, how Satan quotes Scripture out of context.

The Scripture says that the AntiChrist will arise and deceive through false signs and wonders, so how are we going to distinguish the true from the false?

And what she/he is describing has absolutely no place on a Christian site. This kind of post needs to be gone, disappear, eliminated.

She will illogically attack this accurate assessment of her practices. It's absurd really. She will say you shouldn't call her paganism what it is.

Prophecy is a manifestion of the Spirit. So is the word of wisdom and the word of knowledge.

I agree that they need to be tested, but your previous post seemed to treat them as in opposition to scripture, and that certainly is not always the case.

I know who to ask if I need to borrow some money.

Read Genesis. Read the book of Daniel. The baker, the winetester, and Pharoah's dream needed to be interpreted. Nebucadnezzer's dream needed interpretation as well. One man interpreted another's dream in the Midianite camp, too. Visions need to be interpreted. Christians still disagree over how to interpret the visions in the book of Revelation.

I am not twisting scripture. The ability to picture and see things in our minds is part of the function of our mind. Some people are strong with that. I am not. I am stronger with the verbal and conceptual side of things. It is not something evil. God gave us these intellectual abilities.

Newagers happen to drink water. That doesn't make drinking water evil. Canaanites made alters out of unhewn stone. That doesn't make the practice evil. God even required that of the Israelites. If New Agers make much of the idea of picturing something with the mind, that doesn't make it an inherently pagan practice. And if Christians picture what they are praying about with their minds, that doesn't make it evil. There is no commandment against it. You should not invent one if none exists. Do not lay heavy burdens on people, and for some people who think in pictures, forbidding visualizing would be a heavy burden.

I am not in favor of emphasizing it as something important, since the scriptures do not. But nor would I forbid it, because the scriptures do not. The scriptures describe certain things in great detail as if the reader were to picture it, for example the Cherubim under the throne in Ezekiel with the wheel within the wheel, the tabernacle.

The Bible does not specifically say that the man of sin or the beast of revelation is 'the AntiChrist'. Aside from that, that is a valid question unless the intention behind your question is to present an excuse to reject all signs, wonders, visions, whether they are from the Spirit of God or some other spirit.

If you think lying signs and wonders will be done by one end-time antichrist, then it does not make sense to reject the rest of the signs and wonders in history between the twelve apostle's and the end time man of sin's.

Thank you Magenta. I did not even mean to say that I am a good communicator, just that my mind leans far more toward thinking in words than pictures.

All prophecy must be tested as there is much deception out there. (Just take a look at YouTube).

That was your perception (assuming I was a cessationist?)
There are true words spoken which accord with Scripture and there are lying prophets which contradict Scripture.

I apologize if I misunderstood you. This, "Dreams have no authority compared to God's Word." seemed like a false dichotomy to me.
Sometimes continuationists can be a bit too skeptical of the idea of God speaking through a dream, also.

Apology accepted (but not needed)
Dreams and God's Word was a comparison. What dream is equal to God's Word? The fact that it ought to be tested is evidence it is less than, or do you believe every dream without testing it?

If we imagine a green pasture or a still water when we repeat the 23rd Psalm, you are labeling us pagans.

You are practicing what Christ spoke against when Christ gave us instructions about not murdering.

I'm not angry at you at all. And there is certainly cause for what i have said. So not what Jesus said don't apply.
There is a difference between visualizing something being described, and creating images in your imagination of God, which you said that you do.

No, the problem is that you labeled it'visualization'. That's been the problem with this thread from the beginning. Would you like to tell us why you labeled it 'visualization? Was it naieveté or an agenda?

You can look up a quick definition of 'visualization' on Google. https://www.google.com/search?q=vis...hUKEwjbiKKfw-fvAhXwVTABHaDwA4kQ4dUDCA0&uact=5


Here is 'Wikipedia'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visua...tion (see spelling,since the dawn of humanity.

It is not an exclusively New Age word.

People in the New Age movement drink coffee, too, but drinking coffee does not make you a New Ager.

Are you that dense? Here is the OP's definition...

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Our Father who art is heaven, hallowed be thy name: Psalms gives us pictures of the Father. He is spirit, creator, all powerful. Visualize what scripture tells of Him.

Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven: Visualize an earth with no sin in it!"

This is not the innocuous definition YT and Google put forth. This borders on the occult, which attempts to change reality through the mind. I still stand by my assertion that 'visualization' was a poor choice of words.

Your worn out coffee analogy is true and cute but it does not apply in this case.