When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

So when the Bibles says if your eye offends you, take it out, you believe in poppin' that sucker out do you? Take the Bible literally where it should be and figuratively where it should be. Learn to know the difference.

The Israelites were neither repentant nor faithful nor did they trust God nor do what is right when He brought them out of Egypt.

buoyancy floats my boat

Something else to examine is that when Paul refers to "Jew" and "Gentile", it's for the benefit of a 1st century population accustomed to making the distinction which has yet to learn the Cross has revolutionized the theological world by eliminating the distinction. For us who are so near to the climax of Earth's history to return to this distinction only serves to prove that the devil indeed is now working "with all deceivableness of unrighteousness" even among those in the church.
Another thing to examine is that Revelation is a highly symbolic book...and since the 12 tribes of Literal Israel have been totally lost in the polluted genepool of history, the symbols "Jew" or "Israel" in prophecy can only refer to those who are the only remaining descendants of Abraham:


Shalom

What would happen if they did not obey the law. Would they be saved?

Please answer the question

You should phrase that correctly as "Will they be saved in the future" if they did not obey the Law before Christ came.

The answer is no. Obeying the Covenant of the Law was necessary to be included in Abraham's bosom.

They will be saved by showing faith in obeying what God commanded them to do. When Jesus returns for Israel in his 2nd coming, that is when he will usher Israel into their promised kingdom to receive salvation, based on that faith in God.

That is my answer to your question.

Yes, its supposed to be literal since the gospel of the kingdom promised physical healing to Israel.

When Jesus came to Israel, they are to believe in him as the Son of God, be water baptized and to follow the Law of Moses, in order to receive their future salvation.

So if having 2 eyes or 2 limbs means falling into lust, adultery, that might disqualify them from the coming kingdom, so yes, it is literally better to be maimed to get in, Jesus already promised to Israel that he can heal all who came to him anyway (Matthew 10:7-8)

But we are excluded from that promise when Jesus was here in the flesh (Ephesians 2:11-12), so that passage is not for our instructions today.

And yet, many still insist they are yet "Abraham's seed" LOL

How can "all the families of the Earth be blessed" by anything that Literal Israel (if they still existed) has to offer? That promise was fulfilled with the coming of Christ and "all the promises to the father are yea and are amen in Him" which are now for Spiritual Israel, since it is only they that are "in Him".

thank you

you just proved you believe they are saved by obeying the law

you can deny it all you want, but there is no doubt in anyone else’s mind after this post

I know Jesus is risen, but I never thought of it that way.

You don’t understand the difference between a necessary condition and a sufficient condition?

If I say oxygen is necessary for fire, Is that equivalent to saying that oxygen results in fire?

As i said, you can explain to someone but you cannot understand for them.

If they refuse to understand, so be it.

whatever dude, you say Something then deny it, good day, please do not respond to me anymore i a, done. Playing games

That is because you are determined not to understand, for reasons only you yourself will know.

Nope,

i a, just sick of your contradictory mambo jumbo and deception you keep trying to preach.

again, please stop responding to me

No one is saved by obedience, not in the OT or NT. Obedience is the evidence that salvation has already been obtained by living faith.

The reason why antinomianists like the OSAS crowd argue so vehemently against obedience to God's law is likely due to their total lack of ability to produce any evidence of living faith...which is why they seek to obtain by dead faith that which can only be obtained by living faith: eternal life.

I hear ya. It's the systems that are the problem, not the individual.

The thing is, though, that even tho individuals may have sound beliefs otherwise, once they get caught up in some error or even heresy that is part of a certain "ism", that thing have to be dealt with as such and not by way of individualism.

I know whom you are talking about here, a certain Mr G. whose beliefs might even render a ban from this very site. I also know that his beliefs are NOT the mainstream of dispensational thought. He prolly got that from some splinter group or from himself.

This said, I certainly see that line of error as a presumptive danger of general dispensational thought. We have heard people preaching about the Holy Ghost being taken away from earth and people getting saved by martyrdom during the tribulation. Not all dispensationalists teach this, but some have done so.

This chopping up of biblical history in different dispensations, progressive revelation and literal interpretation (did it occur at all before Lacunza/Ribera/Darby/Gäebelein?) and similar opens up for the idea of multiple gospels for different eras. It comes as a result of same.

Hence, I believe a safeguard against general dispensationalism is useful.

Right. End-time things are not evil in and by themselves. However false or erroneous teachings regarding the end-times is. And, this, is a general statement. Does not only have to deal with Israel or second coming topics. Can be anything.

Here are some scriptures describing what happens after christ return. So much for spiritual israel, no millennium, or jesus does not sit on davids throne.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

As for Israel being saved.

The Lord says:
Celebrate and sing for Israel,
the greatest of nations.
Offer praises and shout,
“Come and rescue
your people, Lord!
Save what’s left of Israel.”
8 I, the Lord, will bring
my people back from Babylonia[c]
and everywhere else on earth.
The blind and the lame
will be there.
Expectant mothers
and women about to give birth
will come and be part
of that great crowd.
9 They will weep and pray
as I bring them home.
I will lead them
to streams of water.
They will walk on a level[d] road
and not stumble.
I am a father to Israel,[e]
my favorite children.
10 Listen to me, you nations
nearby or across the sea.
I scattered the people of Israel,
but I will gather them again.
I will protect them like a shepherd
guarding a flock;
11 I will rescue them from enemies
who could overpower them.
12 My people will come
to Mount Zion
and celebrate;
their faces will glow
because of my blessings.
I’ll give them grain, grapes,
and olive oil,
as well as sheep and cattle.
Israel will be prosperous
and grow
like a garden
with plenty of water.
13 Young women and young men,
together with the elderly,
will celebrate and dance,
because I will comfort them
and turn their sorrow
into happiness.
14 I will bless my people
with more food
than they need,
and the priests will enjoy
the choice cuts of meat.
I, the Lord, have spoken.