When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?

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Phoneman-777

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oyster67 said:
It troubles me why this post got so much negative response. Are we worshipers of Jesus or are we worshippers of a people who reject the blood of The Lamb of God. We might as well worship the with Jehovah Witnessers. Todays Jews need to do the same thing that those in the Early Church did. They must repent and be born again. This is not anti-Semitism. This is pro-Atonement-ism.
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When they learn that Abraham's seed is Christ and those that belong to Him, they will turn from this nonsense about "the centrality of 'Israel' in prophecy".

They make Israel the center of John's Revelation.
They make the Antichrist the center of Daniel's prophecies.
They make Jesuit eschatology the rule of prophecy when the Jesuits can't even figure out how one get's saved.

Well played, Rome, well played, just as you predicted you would:

"Then the Bible, that serpent which with head erect and eyes flashing, threatens us with its venom as it trails upon the ground, shall be changed into a rod as soon as we are able to seize it. For three centuries past (15th -18th century Protestant Reformation), this cruel asp has left us no repose. You well know with what folds it entwines us and with what fangs it gnaws us." - Jesuit Order, 18th century​
 
Phoneman-777

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eternally-gratefull said:
Who is straying off the path? Who is telling Jews they are saved as they are?

If anything you should be warned for bearing false witness against your brothers. (then again, Are they your brothers?) I am not even sure of this.. since you teach a different gospel
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You are in no position to judge or even discern what is and isn't the Gospel. Your unBiblical doctrines demonstrate just that.
 
Phoneman-777

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oyster67 said:
Now you owe @Phoneman-777 an apology also.
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Thanks, brother, but the Bible Christian should expect such condemnation from the unlearned and unstable...the great Dean Burgon said that no sooner than when the New Testament was compiled, "a reception was found to be awaiting it in the world closely resembling that which He experienced Who is the subject of its pages."

The tortured and crucified Jesus...and in the same manner, tortured interpretations of His Word and crucifixion of His law while claiming to exalt the Lawgiver is seen today.

The servant ain't greater than His Master ;)
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
The inspired words of the prophet Solomon declare God would always listen from heaven for the repentant cries of His scattered people and bring them back to the land after scattering them for disobedience.

You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you will not find a single instance where God gathered Israel back to the land after scattering them for disobedience without them first having repented. His promises of deliverance regarding the Babylonian captivity are not an exception -- we know for a fact the Babylonian captivity not only permanently cured Israel of their idolatry, but led to the institution of hundreds of (anti-idolatry) laws meant to keep the people from ever falling under the spell of idolatry again. These laws, unfortunately, eventually became for the people the focus and the means for obtaining salvation rather than the representative lamb offered morning and evening which pointed to the Messiah.

ISRAEL HAS NEVER REPENTED OF KILLING JESUS CHRIST.​

So, why do Christians disregard God's own divinely established principle for "scattering and gathering" and insist He had a hand in the events of 1948 when it can be shown that the occult U.N., the occult U.S. "Deep State", and the occult Papacy were behind them? Their disregard for this divine principle has led them to wrongly attribute Biblical promises to those who today call Jesus "son of a whore" and "the great imposter" rather than to whom God's promises pertain in our day: the Church, which is "Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise" because it is the Church which belongs to Christ, not impenitent pseudo-Jewish descendants of the pagan Khazarian Empire who don't have a drop of Semitic blood in them.
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God gave Josiah their king not after they themselves cleaned the idols out of the temple, but while the temple was full of idols and the land full of shrines.
and their king himself tore down the high places and cleansed the temple
 
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I know that you (and others) don't tell people that. But some people make statements who amounts to that. What about Hagee's lunacies for example? In the 90s I was into a charismatic church where there was a visiting preacher who once said (about the end times and coming of the Lord): "the jews will not become christians, however they will be saved". These kind of ideas float around in some circles.
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... trouble with you is you do listen to preachers and do not read the scriptures, first you get carried away with one set of preachers then you get carried away by folks who preach the opposite.

read the scriptures.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
Thanks, brother, but the Bible Christian should expect such condemnation from the unlearned and unstable...the great Dean Burgon said that no sooner than when the New Testament was compiled, "a reception was found to be awaiting it in the world closely resembling that which He experienced Who is the subject of its pages."

The tortured and crucified Jesus...and in the same manner, tortured interpretations of His Word and crucifixion of His law while claiming to exalt the Lawgiver is seen today.

The servant ain't greater than His Master ;)
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that's what you do, leapfrog. You read every prophecy that tells of Israel's fall from grace [which we do not deny] but ignore the prophecies which tell of their restoration to favour.

... we deduce nothing from rubbish conspiracy theories.
 
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tribesman said:
I know that you (and others) don't tell people that. But some people make statements who amounts to that. What about Hagee's lunacies for example? In the 90s I was into a charismatic church where there was a visiting preacher who once said (about the end times and coming of the Lord): "the jews will not become christians, however they will be saved". These kind of ideas float around in some circles.
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You get lunatics. or fanatics from every group. That does not mean we reject the whole group. or claim that the whole group believes something as has been insinuated.

We have people who claim to hold to dispensational teaching say OT jews were saved not like we are and will return to be saved differently in the tribulation. That does not mean mainstream dispensational teaching is in error. It means we have some who have perverted what dispensational teaching believes.

dispensation sepearation of history and fute is not about how people got saved in different dispensational time periods. Its about separating different periods of time so that it makes it easier to understand and help us figure out scripture in our hermeneutical process. IE. this occurred in this time period. In this time period. how would we interpret this action. We do it today in secular history. it is not something new.

yet we are continuously mocked based on false knowledge of what we actually believe. and people seem to think that is just ok.

thats why I hate trying to lock people into groups. Because not everyone in any group believes the same. And when we lock them into a group. we have cut off any means of humble communication. Because we are judging them based on what we think they believe as a group. Not what is really being said.

if anything, that is the thing about any christian chat group I have ever been a part of that makes it almost unbearable.
 
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tribesman said:
Of course not.
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Amen, It should not be acceptable to anyone. No one is saved after christs death apart from repentance and faith in his death on the cross.

They receive him as messiah BECAUSE they receive him first as savior.

Thats why they rejected him the first advent, He came to be their savior first. They did not think they needed a savior. They looked for the king, a king is useless for the lost.
 
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tribesman said:
What you want to make out of that isolated verse I would see as incorrect. I would not omit "that Jesus died for their sins and rose again for their justification".

That all the Saints of old did not have the exact knowledge and insight about every precise detail regarding the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord does not mean that they did not principally understand it. They did. Paul said:
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Amen, The suffering servant. Who would die for the sin of the people
 
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I see, alright then, I can understand why you have some difficulty separating Israel and their program, from the Body of Christ and ours.
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Their program was a symbol. To lead them to christ.

It never got them saved. In their program. No one could get saved, if they could Christ came for no reason. God would have put us all under their program.

you dishonor the death and sacrifice of my savior
 
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tribesman said:
I see no problem involved here other than for those who want to separate Israel and the Church. They make things overly problematic with their error.
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For salvation. Amen I agree

For Gods purpose here on earth. They are seperate. God seperated them. Israel are his called out ones for a purpose. here on earth. In heaven,. there is neither jew or greek, free or slave male or female. all are one in christ.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Their program was a symbol. To lead them to christ.

It never got them saved. In their program. No one could get saved, if they could Christ came for no reason. God would have put us all under their program.

you dishonor the death and sacrifice of my savior
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I already told you many times that Israel will only be saved when Christ returns for them in his 2nd coming (Acts 3:19-21, Hebrews 8:12, Romans 11:25-27).

So I agree with you, Israel is not currently saved now.
 
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tribesman said:
Definitely thought-worth. This "end-time prophecy" thingy is very delusive but it's big business and its drawing the itching ears.
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It does at that, specially when mixed with a teaspoon of Judaism,

Who is the liar but the person who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? 1Jn.2:22

And why? Because, they say, Jesus didn't fulfill all the prophecies. So, the unlearned said, You're right, but he will in the future. Misunderstanding how the Messiah conquered the real enemy of Gods people, which is death,

Children, it is the last hour 1Jn.2:18
upon whom the ends of the world are come. 1Cor.10:11
And it shall come to pass in the last days Act.2:17

Waiting for the "end times" to come? Youre in them.
 
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tribesman said:
Definitely thought-worth. This "end-time prophecy" thingy is very delusive but it's big business and its drawing the itching ears.
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see like things like this. This is uncalled for and not true. It arrogant

Just because some take advantage, does not mean the end times things itself is evil

Get a grip brother
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
You are in no position to judge or even discern what is and isn't the Gospel. Your unBiblical doctrines demonstrate just that.
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Whatever dude.

You go to God with your works of righteousness

I will go on my knees because I admit and acknowledge my sin
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
Thanks, brother, but the Bible Christian should expect such condemnation from the unlearned and unstable...the great Dean Burgon said that no sooner than when the New Testament was compiled, "a reception was found to be awaiting it in the world closely resembling that which He experienced Who is the subject of its pages."

The tortured and crucified Jesus...and in the same manner, tortured interpretations of His Word and crucifixion of His law while claiming to exalt the Lawgiver is seen today.

The servant ain't greater than His Master ;)
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Guojing said:
I already told you many times that Israel will only be saved when Christ returns for them in his 2nd coming (Acts 3:19-21, Hebrews 8:12, Romans 11:25-27).

So I agree with you, Israel is not currently saved now.
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You can tell me a million times. the bible does not say that. Nor does dispensational teaching. Your perverted view is not from God
 
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It does at that, specially when mixed with a teaspoon of Judaism,

Who is the liar but the person who denies that Jesus is the Messiah? 1Jn.2:22

And why? Because, they say, Jesus didn't fulfill all the prophecies. So, the unlearned said, You're right, but he will in the future. Misunderstanding how the Messiah conquered the real enemy of Gods people, which is death,

Children, it is the last hour 1Jn.2:18
upon whom the ends of the world are come. 1Cor.10:11
And it shall come to pass in the last days Act.2:17

Waiting for the "end times" to come? Youre in them.
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We have just begun to see the birth pangs. It will get worse. You best be prepared for what is to come. Preach the gospel. So people can be saved, because one it really starts. it will be too late for many
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
You can tell me a million times. the bible does not say that. Nor does dispensational teaching. Your perverted view is not from God
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People can provide scripture to you, but you decide how you want to interpret them to fit whatever doctrine you want to have.
 
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