Who are the NEPHILIM in Genesis 6

Greetings imasoandso!

I don't think that it has anything to do with the pre, mid and post interpretations of when the church will be gathered. Compare the following from Daniel and Revelation:

"He will speak out against the Most High and oppress the saints of the Most High, intending to change the appointed times and laws; and the saints will be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time."

"The beast was given a mouth to speak arrogant and blasphemous words, and authority to act for 42 months. And the beast opened its mouth to speak blasphemies against God and to slander His name and His tabernacle—those who dwell in heaven. Then the beast was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them, and it was given authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation."

Both Daniel and Revelation are speaking about those saints who will come out of the great tribulation. This is supported by the fact that both scriptures are referring to that last 3 1/2 years of the seven year period as 'a time, times and half a time' and as '42 months.'

I have posted this many times and will post it here again: Throughout chapters 1 thru 3 of Revelation, the word 'ekklesia' translated as 'church' is used 19 time and that with not being used interchangeably with the word 'hagios' translated as 'saints.' Then after the end of chapter 3, the word 'ekklesia/church' is never used again until Revelation 22:16. After that, the word 'hagios/saints' is used. The fact that the word 'church' was used exclusively throughout the first three chapters and then disappears should be a red flag for everyone who studies Revelation. In other words, the exclusive use of the word 'church' and then its abrupt absence should get our attention. It's not a coincidence.

As previously stated, the last time the word 'ekklesia/church' is used is at the very end of chapter 3 of the last letter to the seven churches, the letters representing the 'what is now,' i.e. representing the entire church period. Following that in Revelation 4:1, you have John hearing the Lord's voice which is described as sounding like a trumpet, which is also significant, i.e. it's another clue. This voice that sounds like a trumpet says "come up here and I will show you what must take place after this." After what? The letters represent the 'church period and so the 'what must take place later' would take place after the 'what is now' i.e. what takes place after the church period. This is why the word 'ekklesia/church' does not appear and is never used during the time of the narrative of God's wrath. The use of the word 'hagios/saints' is in reference to that great number of white robed saints which no man can count from every nation, people, tribe and language, making them Gentiles. These are those who will become believers after the church has been removed in Revelation 4:1, which I believe is a prophetic allusion to where the church is gathered in the chronology of Revelation, which would be prior to the first seal being opened in chapter 6.

Now to answer your question, I believe that it is these saints introduced in Revelation 7:9-17, who will become believers in Christ after the church has been removed, will be on the earth along with the remnant of Israel during that seven years and will be under attack from the beast during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. Therefore, this does not have anything to do with the pre, mid or post gathering of the church, but with those people who will become believers after the church has been removed.

Always keep in mind and apply the fact, that Jesus already took upon himself the wrath of God that every believer deserves, satisfying it completely. And therefore, God's wrath no longer rests upon the believer and therefore must be removed prior to God's wrath, which is initiated by the opening of the first seal. The individuals who currently belong to the church have been credited with the righteousness of Christ and have been reconciled to God. Taking into consideration the severity and magnitude of God's wrath and that it is going to come upon the whole inhabited world, then the church must be removed prior to the on-set of said wrath. It just so happens that this group will become believers after the church has been removed and which I am sure was also God ordained. This is why Jesus warns us to always be watching and ready for His appearing to come for us. Otherwise, anyone who has gone back into the world and is again living according to the sinful nature, will be like one of those virgins whose lamps have gone out without having any extra oil and that day will close on them like a trap.

Scripture doesn’t actually say any of this. Scripture does not say that angels lack the ability to procreate; that’s an inference. Also, God Himself is life; He did not have flesh and blood.

So you agree that angels have the ability to do what God did not create them to do?

Nothing in the scriptures says that angels had sex with women of the earth. Yet Jesus did say how the angels are in Luke 20 not what they have become.

You're going to learn pretty quickly that bold-facing and the use of exclamation points alone mean nothing.

Your saying a lot in you post but your not addressing what I ask you about the first three verses of 1 Enoch(those living on the earth during the tribulation) which is who the book is written to. If you consider what you do say in your post you have the Church raptured before those who are asking when their blood will be avenged in Rev. 6:9-11 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/6.htm which is not what Paul said in https://www.bibleref.com/1-Thessalonians/4/1-Thessalonians-4-15.html

who are asking when their blood will be avenged in Rev. 6:9-11

That is an assumption. I would be more inclined to say they are neither male nor female. But men often like to presume dominance.

All angels reported as appearing to men, or carrying out God's commands in Scripture, are masculine. Show us otherwise, or acknowledge this fact. Even the Cherubim and Seraphim have the faces of a man.

Regardless of how you want to present it, Jude is quoting a prophecy from what was said by Enoch. And it is from Enoch as being a part of the scriptures, that Jude got the prophecy from. God obviously had His stamp of approval regarding Jude's quote of Enoch, because it is in His word. Not to mention that there is much in the writings of Enoch that supports the other scriptures regarding the sons of God who took human women as wives who bore the Nephilim and all that those angels taught mankind and thereby corrupting, as well as a better understanding of why the flood took place. In addition Michael and Gabriel are mentioned, as well as Noah, as the son of Lamech and how he might escape the flood. What is also mentioned is what both Peter and Jude wrote regarding those angels that were cast down into Tartartus, most likely referring to those angels who took wives. Therefore, Enoch enhances the information that is found in the Bible. True, some of the things that is written in Enoch seems strange and confusing, but we have to remember that the information is regarding what took place after God took him and his travels with the angels regarding all that he saw and experienced.

I personally believe in the writings of Enoch and also feel the confirmation of the Spirit. However, if anyone does not want to recognize the writings of Enoch, which were once a part of the scriptures, then they are free to their opinion, but I will not change mine.

You are free to believe anything you want to believe.

Now allow me to ask you this very simple question When YOU read the Bible, KJV or the ESV or the Amplified, where in those translations can you find the name of the angels RAPHAEL and PHANUEL????

Now allow me to tell you where you will find those names. Enoch 40:9-10..............
" seen and whose words I have heard and written down?’ And he said to me: ‘This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days. "

Now yu have publically stacked out you support for the book of Enoch.

The question to you now is this......why would you as a Christian choose to accept such Blasphemy and Occultic theology as you just read from the book of Enoch?????????????

Now I do not know you. But as you know, the Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. THTA is open and simpy blasphemy! That statement in itself contradicts everything the Word of God teaches.

We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel... "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

Are there angels that are men? Can men reproduce? Are these angels men?

Luke 24
3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.
4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:
5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?

Do you really want me to post all verses where a male angel appeared? You know I will...

Im just asking for one female angel verse.

See post 188.

Dino is correct here. Many don't notice that some angels are "elect angels" (1 Tim 5:21). Jesus' statement concerning the angels that "do not marry or die" are the angels that are in heaven (Mk 12:25). The non-elect angels sinned (2 Pet 2:4). Their sin is described as "not keeping their first estate, abandoning their proper abode...indulging gross immorality, going after strange flesh" (just as Sodom and Gomorrah) (Jude 6-7). This account Jude is referring to is, of course, the gross union in Genesis 6. I am not an advocator that Enoch's book is inspired, but some of it is affirmed by the Biblical authors (this is one of those cases). Even without extra-Biblical support from Enoch, Peter is in full agreement. They all understood the context of Genesis 6 and what the angels' sin was.
This view does not conflict with Scripture at all. It is merely strange and uncomfortable. That is why many don't accept it.

the problem with your presupposition is Genesis 6 context is not about angels it's about men that 1.

2. the Book of Enoch is not authoritative therefore it can't be used with other Biblical texts and passages to support a false narrative. That is a biblical error. 3. If the book of Enoch is not inspired then it is not true.

Peter never called Enoch scripture, Jude never called it scripture. The idea that because Jude or Peter may have quoted the book of Enoch very well means those in the early church who were interjecting Gnosticism in the early Church was being addressed and dismissed.

I find it very interesting those who read Jude, 2Pet 2:4, and Genesis 6 and Job, fail to see anything more than Nephilim, and sex with angels. You would think the context and full chapter and books were only about angels who had sex with women. It most certainly is not. I have asked one person here a serious question, yet they chose not to answer because they know it would expose the error in their own biblical

Is the book of Enoch and the writer of it the Inspired word of God that is 100% truth?

If the book of Enoch is not inspired then it is not true.

Peter never called Enoch scripture, Jude never called it scripture.

Many don't notice that some angels are "elect angels" (1 Tim 5:21). Jesus' statement concerning the angels that "do not marry or die" are the angels that are in heaven (Mk 12:25). The non-elect angels sinned (2 Pet 2:4). Their sin is described as "not keeping their first estate, abandoning their proper abode...indulging gross immorality, going after strange flesh" (just as Sodom and Gomorrah) (Jude 6-7). This account Jude is referring to is, of course, the gross union in Genesis 6. This view does not conflict with Scripture at all. It is merely strange and uncomfortable. That is why many don't accept it.

do you really want me to post again the word of Jesus about what angels are?

You are free to believe anything you want to believe.

Now allow me to ask you this very simple question When YOU read the Bible, KJV or the ESV or the Amplified, where in those translations can you find the name of the angels RAPHAEL and PHANUEL????

Now allow me to tell you where you will find those names. Enoch 40:9-10..............
" seen and whose words I have heard and written down?’ And he said to me: ‘This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’
10 And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days. "

Now yu have publically stacked out you support for the book of Enoch.

The question to you now is this......why would you as a Christian choose to accept such Blasphemy and Occultic theology as you just read from the book of Enoch?????????????

Now I do not know you. But as you know, the Bible never mentions an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life. THTA is open and simpy blasphemy! That statement in itself contradicts everything the Word of God teaches.

We read in 1st Timothy 2:5 that Jesus Christ is the ONLY Mediator between God and men, not some angel named Phanuel... "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

Repentance is strictly between a man and Jesus Christ alone. Only Jesus died for our sins, and shed His blood to pay for them (1st Peter 1:18-19); therefore, we must be diligent to guard and defend against LIARS and imposters who would lead people to believe otherwise. 1st John 2:22 clearly indicts all Christ-deniers as LIARS, guilty before God.

Now, again....why would you accept and support such open and easily seen blasphemy?????

Thank you for your exhaustive response to the small part of my comment which I already stated isn't necessary to validate what I am advocating. Do you have a response to the Biblical explanation I gave for the angel view?

This is an overgeneralized response to the points being made. I am not claiming that the ENTIRE (or even most) of the book of Enoch is true. If the book of Enoch and the Bible claim something, it can be understood as true with certainty (Because of the Biblical authority) (read that again).
The fact that something is mentioned in the book of Enoch does not automatically denounce any possibility of truth. It is a secular document that is sometimes validated by the Bible. This is the same as any other document in history. The book of Enoch is referenced 49 times in the NT, just as many other extra-Biblical writing are quoted. When another source is used as cross-reference by the Bible, God is not validating the entire document being quoted. God is simply validating that specific event/fact being quoted. The Book of Enoch is not entirely true. But some of its events and facts are confirmed by the Bible.

Amen. It is not Scripture. We are agreed. Now that we have dealt with Enoch, we can proceed to the rest of my comment:

What is your Biblical response to this?

The angels who went to take Lot out of Sodom were men. They ate with Lot. They took on human form. The men of Sodom wanted to have sexual relations with them. The angels grabbed Lot and pull him inside.

You don't believe in more Spirits than the Holy Spirit? What was the name of the Spirit that God placed into king Saul that caused him to become evil?

1 Samuel 19:9 NIV - "But an evil spirit from the LORD came on Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the lyre . . ."

They were not men they appeared to be men. wanting to have sex is not the same as having it.

Well, they were touchable and had flesh...

You don't believe in more Spirits than the Holy Spirit? What was the name of the Spirit that God placed into king Saul that caused him to become evil?

1 Samuel 19:9 NIV - "But an evil spirit from the LORD came on Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the lyre . . ."