Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

Exactly
And what are they going to do with examples where it is symbolic and literal.

The 3 crosses
The 3 lambs sacrificed on passover
The veil rent
....and a hundred more that are both literal and symbolic.

It is not one dimensional.

That is the dynamic of revelation. It is multifaceted truth....again not one dimensional.

It is not honest to think noah and lot were delivered post judgement.
That is bizarre.

Especially when Jesus told you "BEFORE THE FLOOD."
Then immediately say ”one taken/ left" then immediately say watch and be ready...then immediately say 5 wise virgins were taken by the groom in peacetime environment with no possibility of billions of horses.
MOST dishonest to omit truth.
Yes GOOD read would definitely help you.

This is what we know: The faithless Antediluvians who had zero evidence to believe Noah "knew not until" they were taken away, which means they were totally taken by surprise.

Now, which of the "left behind" folks are goingto be taken by surprise by the Second Coming when they'll be surrounded by

Understand God's wrath a little better now? Hint: it isn't the flood, or tribulation, or rapture. It's post-judgement hellfire.

Let me see if I can finish your sentence in the way you are intending (... something like...)

"Now, which of the 'left behind' folks are going to be taken by surprise by the Second Coming when they'll be surrounded by [blatant evidences of people having previously 'disappeared' !!?? (seven years earlier)]" (<--is that CLOSE to what you were intending to convey??)

I did say I had already made a post about that (I don't want to go through typing all that out again... maybe I can find that post later, but I'll post the gist of it here):

--recall, I just said in that other post in this thread, (following "our Rapture") THEN 2Th2:10-12 will come into play - "God shall SEND TO THEM GREAT DELUSION, so that they should BELIEVE THE LIE / THE FALSE / THE PSEUDEI..."

--recall, I've said... much of "Christendom" (the segment that "come in His name, but who are not actually saved/believers/trusting-in-Christ-for-salvation") will still be on the earth following "our Rapture"... many of these will tend to not want to believe "what just happened" was "Rapture [of the believers]," but SOMETHING ELSE (coz, duh, *they themselves [professed Christians]* are still here! *Evidence* to themselves that surely it was NOT THAT ['RAPTURE'], that "just happened," but rather SOMETHING ELSE... which they will *think* they have some biblical-backing for [explanation]... but *really* it was that they WERE NOT SAVED [their not having trusted in Christ for salvation], even though they *think* their massive pile of "good works" has merited it to them and they they ARE Christians)

--recall, I've said that the Olivet Discourse [except for about 12 verses in Lk21:12-24 re: 70ad events] are all about what happens FOLLOWING "our Rapture" (this includes the parallels I've pointed out, like the following passage I will quote below):

Luke 12:35-48 - [parts being PARALLEL to Matt24 near the passage under present discussion]
[all FOLLOWING "our Rapture"]
(Matthew 24:36-51; Mark 13:32-37)

35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; [<--see my post about the "LAMPS LIT" taking place for the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period, i.e. for the "NIGHT WATCHES"] 36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding [RETURN FROM the wedding, as an ALREADY-WED Bridegroom]; [so] that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. 37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat [G347--the MEAL (<--see the parallels I've listed for this, like Matt8:11, etc)], and will come forth and serve them. 38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. [<--corresponding to the 8-10 "BLESSED" passages speaking of this point in the chronology--His Second Coming to the earth FOR the earthly MK age to commence--these being "still-living" mortals (saints only!) who will ENTER it / that "MK-age"]

39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. 40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.


--more to say, but I need to close for now... (perhaps I can try to find that other post I was talking about)



This ^ is just a part of my explanation regarding your Q asking, "which of the 'left behind' folks are going to be taken by surprise by the Second Coming when they'll be surrounded by [blatant evidences of people having previously 'disappeared' !!?? (if you meant that)]" -- esp the fact that it will be a time of GREAT DECEPTION (with SEAL #1 [note: 'bow' often representing 'DECEPTION'] having occurred at the START of this time-period [the "IN THE NIGHT" time-period], parallel Matt24:4/Mk13:5 "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE ['a certain one' BRINGING DECEPTION]" aka "the man of sin" "whose COMING is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and LYING wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness unto them who..." along with the fact that "God shall SEND TO THEM GREAT DELUSION, so that they should BELIEVE THE LIE / THE FALSE / THE PSEUDEI..." etc etc...

....and yes rev 19 has a gathering IN HEAVEN to the horses prepared for the saints to follow Jesus to earth.

A gathering OF SAINTS ALREADY IN HEAVEN towards the end of the gt ....Or right at the end.

Angels gather as declared in Mat 24 and Luke 13.

BTW...the "ends of earth" is the heavens.

Nothing saying that Jesus gathers from earth anything postrib.....nothing at all there.

And the fact all die or take the mark

And that the gathering of rev 14 somehow in your bible is BEFORE the dead in Christ are risen in the rapture.

Oil is the game changer. Nothing else was different in the parable. Those with more oil went...those lacking stayed.


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You do realize that the rapture could occur at any moment?

Indeed Enoch was not post-flood or mid-food he was pre-flood.
The tradition is that he was was born on Pentecost and was raptured on his birthday.

The antediluvians were not taken by surprise.

That's wrong. Paul addressed that false idea here:
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Mat 24
" ...from one end of HEAVEN to the other.."

Gathering in heaven by angels. Not from earth....not by Jesus.

Truly a pretrib rapture

The martyrs are not allowed from under the altar in heaven.
Then.....
The innumerable number are martyrs and are before the throne in heaven.

The ones under the altar are told "... Till your number is complete"

That alone refutes any hope you have to see the church beaten and whipped by God.

V.2's "[purporting] that the day of the Lord *is present* [PERFECT indicative]" is referring to "the DOTL" an EARTHLY-located time-period.

So that, v.3a's "that day" is referring TO THAT ^ .



[However, v.1 is not speaking of THAT "earthly-located time-period". But a DISTINCT ITEM: a reference to "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]"--completely distinct!]






Paul is telling them NOT to be persuaded by anyone telling them "the day of the Lord IS PRESENT".

It wasn't. And he tells WHY.



[many ppl completely misconstrue what Paul is conveying here, by their CONFLATING of the Subject of v.1 with that of the Subject of v.2... but what Paul is doing here is confirming the SEQUENCE... how ONE ITEM *relates* time-wise to the OTHER ITEM (via his wording in v.3)]

""..God will have "gleaned" all the unstable, unfaithful, or disobedient believers from the earth through the work of the Tribulation. So only the faithful believers will be left, who won't take the mark, but rather will die the martyr's death.""

Lol
You just proved all believers die in the gt.

Nobody left to rapture posttrib.

Too funny

The above makes no sense.

* You are here
* Church gathered and take back to the Father's house
* God wrath begins, antichrist establishes a seven year covenant with Israel
* The covenant is broken in the middle of the seven and the abomination set up in the temple
* At the end of that last 3 1/2 years, the Lord returns with the church following behind riding on white horses
* Beast and false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire
* Satan is seize and thrown into and locked up in the Abyss for during Christ's thousand year reign
* Great tribulation saints are resurrected and rule with Christ during the thousand years
* Millennial kingdom
* Satan released at the end of the millennial kingdom for one last rebelion
* Satan thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet will be
* Great white throne judgment (judgment of the unrighteous dead throughout all of history)
* new heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem

That is the chronological order of events as listed in Revelation

Yes, I agree. Let's NOT confuse the issue. Jesus Christ comes back to earth ONCE more. It's called the SECOND Advent, or SECOND Coming. And that will happen at the end of the Tribulation. It will be the end of the Trib because Jesus ends it himself.

The secret rapture won't be secret after it happens buddy believe it.

You do realize that the rapture could occur at any moment?

You do understand Daniel 70th week is inaugurated by the revealing of the man of sin which only occurs (more or less immediately) after the rapture event correct?

The antediluvians were not taken by surprise. The surprise was that Noah was correct. The surprise was that they missed the boat. The entire world had a 600 foot barge staring them in their face. Every single person on the planet new of Noah's plans and his building project. And many many years of preaching to go along with it. Don't forget they had Enoch preaching also. No, they simply ignored Noah, the ark and the preaching.

The same can be said to people today. The gospel is being preached to the four corners of the world. Practically everyone in the world knows of Jesus Messiah. So why hasn't the entire world repented and converted?