At what point would you as a Christian fight rather than turn the other cheek?

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Very old debunked myth...

I would do nothing, as I do not own any weapons. Easy for me

Same way here in northern Europe. We are being replaced. Sad but true, I think we are the new native americans, so to speak. Waiting for the reservations to pop up.

Could you give me some of these self-defence scriptures?

Sure.

-Jesus confirms that self-defense is a good way to protect people and property.

Luke 11:21
21When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:

-Jesus doesn't condemn being armed, actually He encouraged it. When lethal force was applied He didn't condemn it or correct it

Luke 22:36, 50-51
36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

50And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. 51And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

-This says people should provide for their house, self-defense is a way to provide for a house.

1 Timothy 5:8
8But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

-God ordains authorities to execute wrath against evil.

Romans 13:4
4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

If you count the old testament then there are even more sources. I hope that helps. Cheers.

You might want to get ready as it's coming probably sooner than we want. I'm afraid at what I'm seeing. I lived many years and this isn't the free America I grew up in.

Many don't know this - you won't find out about the tyranny unless or until you get into a car accident or develop a painful disease. The control of pain medication now is like Nazi Germany. Many vets who have returned from duty with painful wounds have been denied pain relief. It's insane. A doctor is keeping count of the number of people who have committed suicide.

America is gone. When tyrannical rulers tell you that you don't have the right to live free from pain, and that they hold the sole right to say so then something really really evil is afoot. Many are fighting it but very little has been turned back. I know someone who was in a bad car wreck and they will not give him any pain relief and he walks like a board.

Post surgery people are being given cold packs.

This isn't America anymore. Too many are asleep.

Wow that was great! I had forgotten those verses.

Chuck Baldwin said that pastors teach erroneous Romans 12 obedience to government and we are not to be obedient to EVIL government. That's the difference I believe he said.

No I have never heard about that one - Operation Trust. I'll have to look it up. I know that disinformation is used a lot. When you research it you learn that our own government uses the same military strategies on the American people that it uses on our "supposed" enemies. A frightening thought.

YES. Q was exactly a disinformation psyop. I remember everyone saying "Trust the plan" and "Trump is playing 3D chess." I knew after researching the whole Q thing was a psyop as I had read about them. Some had even held out hope until the last day that Trump was going to arrest all these people.

What's even more despicable is when you learn about who Trump really answers to - that he got his supporters who had placed their trust in him to show up in Washington. It was the pretext for the whole Insurrection response and a reason for them to go after the main group of people who had voted Trump. It appears Trump set them up. They used the same MO they always use: Problem-Reaction-Solution. That's how the entire loss of rights came about after the 9-11 psyop. I read that was a blood sacrifice done on occult days.

I think they used facial recognition to learn who the people will be who will put up a fight. That's just a guess. From what I read there is some nasty stuff coming down. Pray. Surveillance has become just like China. That's who they're trying to mold America after. They're monitored constantly - they even have drones that look like birds, fly overhead to surveil the people. I agree that people should do the right thing but who is watching the watchers?

I became disabled five years ago and couldn't move - the only thing that I could do is research. All day every day.

The Bible is the authority:

Revelation 2:9

“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”


Psalms 19:7

“The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.”

Luke 9:55

“But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.”

You insist you are right and I and everyone else who doesn't believe as you do are wrong. You can have your belief. I am not trying to change you. As I said above I will say again:

We each must follow our own path.

I know the One in Whom I have believed. God bless you on your journey.

I truly do wish you Christian love and pray that the Holy Spirit will guide us each into all truth.

Kaylagrl: I think you better follow their link to their FB page and see what they believe before you defend their POV.

Answer: I gave the link as a courtesy. I have read through other sites over the years that I cannot recall as I am an avid and prolific reader. Chuck Baldwin also teaches on it as do a number of other pastors.

Kaylagrl: And yet here you are arguing with me and defending people you admit you haven't vetted.

Answer: You are not telling the truth. It was you who insisted that no one else studied the Word and you did and are therefore the sole interpreter of Bible truth and everyone else is wrong. Maybe we should all remove our sandals since we're standing on Holy Ground when we address you?

I recall years ago a mature believer who I respected said: Christians like to cut other Christians up.

I've found that to be true.

If we hold to a humble and a teachable spirit then I believe that God can speak to our hearts and lead us into truth.

Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? [there is] more hope of a fool than of him.

Proverbs 11:2 - [When] pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly [is] wisdom.

Galatians 6:3 - For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.


Here are my words to you:

How do you know that they haven't studied the Word more than you?

Why do you insist that others don't read the Word and infer that only you are the one who knows the truth?

I've talked to believers who think that they are right and others are wrong. I no longer have the time or inclination to argue. All I can do is encourage you to read the links and if you refuse to do that then we each must follow our own path.

I know the One in Whom I have believed. God bless you on your journey.
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I tried to:

1. Point out a truth: that you were being presumptuous: you have no clue how much or how little another believer has read the Word.
2. Point out that we each had to go where the truth leads us.
3. End the conversation on a Christian note.

A good rule of thumb is to research a little before you share a link. The Bible is the authority, I don't need someone else's opinion on it.
I became disabled five years ago and couldn't move - the only thing that I could do is research. All day every day.

The Bible is the authority:

Revelation 2:9

“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”


Psalms 19:7

“The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.”

Luke 9:55

“But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.”

You insist you are right and I and everyone else who doesn't believe as you do are wrong. You can have your belief. I am not trying to change you. As I said above I will say again:

We each must follow our own path.

I know the One in Whom I have believed. God bless you on your journey.

I truly do wish you Christian love and pray that the Holy Spirit will guide us each into all truth.

Kaylagrl: I think you better follow their link to their FB page and see what they believe before you defend their POV.

Answer: I gave the link as a courtesy. I have read through other sites over the years that I cannot recall as I am an avid and prolific reader. Chuck Baldwin also teaches on it as do a number of other pastors.

Kaylagrl: And yet here you are arguing with me and defending people you admit you haven't vetted.

Answer: You are not telling the truth. It was you who insisted that no one else studied the Word and you did and are therefore the sole interpreter of Bible truth and everyone else is wrong. Maybe we should all remove our sandals since we're standing on Holy Ground when we address you?

I recall years ago a mature believer who I respected said: Christians like to cut other Christians up.

I've found that to be true.

If we hold to a humble and a teachable spirit then I believe that God can speak to our hearts and lead us into truth.

Proverbs 26:12 - Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? [there is] more hope of a fool than of him.

Proverbs 11:2 - [When] pride cometh, then cometh shame: but with the lowly [is] wisdom.

Galatians 6:3 - For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.


Here are my words to you:

How do you know that they haven't studied the Word more than you?

Why do you insist that others don't read the Word and infer that only you are the one who knows the truth?

I've talked to believers who think that they are right and others are wrong. I no longer have the time or inclination to argue. All I can do is encourage you to read the links and if you refuse to do that then we each must follow our own path.

I know the One in Whom I have believed. God bless you on your journey.
~~~

I tried to:

1. Point out a truth: that you were being presumptuous: you have no clue how much or how little another believer has read the Word.
2. Point out that we each had to go where the truth leads us.
3. End the conversation on a Christian note.

Kaylagrl: A good rule of thumb is to research a little before you share a link. The Bible is the authority, I don't need someone else's opinion on it.

Answer: I became disabled five years ago and couldn't move - the only thing that I could do is research. All day every day.

The Bible is the authority:

Revelation 2:9

“I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”


Psalms 19:7

“The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.”

Luke 9:55

“But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.”

You insist you are right and I and everyone else who doesn't believe as you do are wrong. You can have your belief. I am not trying to change you. As I said above I will say again:

We each must follow our own path.

I know the One in Whom I have believed. God bless you on your journey.

I truly do wish you Christian love and pray that the Holy Spirit will guide us each into all truth.

I'm not going to argue it. God gives us truth. I think we have to be neutral to even be able to accept truth from God. The things that I believed - and were taught as a young Christian I no longer believe. When I first sought God I fell prey to a lot of different false teachers on TV and radio. I went through all the wrong things - I don't know why God allowed it. It truly was like being in the wilderness for 40 years. It was bad.

They had me mixed up and one day I took all the literature I got from various ministries and burned it in the wood stove. I determined that I was going to be led by God and not someone else's interpretations. I studied the Bible every day for many years. A little at a time truth was opened up to me. Very very very slowly. Many things that I read weren't even opened up to me at the time but much later.

I do read sermons again now or listen to them and others' teachings but I seem to have developed an ear for truth and I can't listen to false teaching I flip it off. I will point out that I am no Bible scholar - there is a lot I still don't know but I have studied it for many years - at times as if my life depended on it because it in reality did.

God allowed me to be very heavily attacked - I don't know why - but Satan attacked in many ways and I have had a hard life. I had to learn how to fight spiritually and met a neighbor who was under heavy assault and recommended the book The Adversary. I studied it - I mean that book fell apart. We had neighbors who were on drugs on either side of us - there were only a few houses on a dead end and I'll spare you the details but the entire area felt like an overwhelming oppression. It was a heaviness I couldn't describe unless someone endured it and felt it.

I have doubts about Billy Graham but he wrote a book that did speak to me all those years ago. He said that when he had to give a revival in another country - China possibly - on the ship over he had an overwhelming sense of oppression and depression. What he described was exactly what I experienced. It hung in the air. It was an awful feeling. Not for a day - it was a permanent evil that hung over that area for the years we lived there. I always look for connecting threads and years later I read an account of Germany in the years following the war and it was described that way. I now believe it to be a heavy presence of demonic activity in an area. You can feel it. I usually feel things before my husband - I can pick up on someone that I'll warn him about. I think it's the holy spirit within guiding. An old saint who taught us bible studies told me she thought I had the gift of discernment. That may be why Satan attacked. I don't know.

The neighbors were wicked and I knew they were dealing drugs out of the house due to the traffic there. The neighbor was hopped up on drugs and attacked my husband and I. I ran and the woman was just as you would think a rabid dog would be like - I have never seen anyone like that. Her face was contorted and wild. She had a torque wrench and went after the back of my head to kill me. My husband is a big man thank God and she went after him. He picked our lawn chair up and fended her off but she beat his hand and arm with a wrench.

The police couldn't control her. It took two cops to tackle her to the ground and they dragged her off our lawn. It truly was a nightmare. That was my first eyewitness account of someone demonized - they really do have superhuman strength. She met bail and was out and I can't even tell you what we endured after that - it was demonic. I wanted to leave but the cops warned us not to because they would trash our house. They knew them. The drug dealers were in tight with the neighbors on the other side of us. She was the PTA President or VP and my husband walked over and she was snorting crack off her kitchen counter. That was another life lesson. Someone holding the top position that acts so sweet can be the most ugly underneath and doing things that would shock you.

God did not miraculously deliver us and I think I almost died because the strain was so great. I was a baby Christian (my husband wasn't yet a believer) living between two demonized couples and a 3rd couple they controlled through manipulation. We moved and it was awful. The school still allowed her and the other druggie to work in the school as a volunteer. Never ever trust your child to go on a school trip because you never know who is watching them. I always watched kids good but I can't tell you the number of times young kids came up to me who were lost and I took them with my group.

Throughout that time I studied demonology - I was forced to. I learned the symbols. I also learned them because of all the satanic symbolism slipped into music, television - even children's cartoons. That neighbor around the block who was a Christian was up on all of it and shared a lot.

It took many years before I pieced a lot together but then I was badly injured; badly; something else I couldn't understand but unless that had happened I wouldn't know a lot that I now know. I try to keep the perspective of what happened with Joseph. I don't always and anger at God rises up in me probably every day as I endure it. Something happens when everything is stripped away - and it just comes down to what's raw and utterly true:

Hebrews 12:27

“And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.”


I was in so much agony I couldn't move and I was in bed all the time. My husband bought me a laptop and all I did was research all day every day for about 5 years - likely longer; it's something of a blur. It helped to keep my mind busy so I wasn't as focused on the pain.

It was amazing as my eyes were opened to the construct of lies that had been built and that I had lived in for the majority of my life. Something major that I learned: Satanists even have control of a number of Christian organizations such as the World Council of Churches I believe. It's frightening all that they have infiltrated. I learned things I was shocked at. The lies I had believed - and had been taught were so pervasive that it took much study to deconstruct them. I had the foundation in demonology and it bothered me why Israel flew a flag with a satanic symbol on it. Then I researched it and it led me on a path where I learned about Zionism.

Something I have learned over the years. Satan does not want us to learn truth. At every point where I tried to seek and learn truth I was attacked - even by other so-called believers - if they really were. When I tried sharing what I learned I had someone fling the accusation of anti-semite at me. I don't think I even knew what that was. And I certainly am not one; I'm friends with a couple; the husband is Jewish. I learned that Christians are as ugly as the people they accuse as being on the left. All because I learned the truth of what a satanic symbol is and I recognized it on the flag that Israel flies.

At this point I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. I'm just sharing how I arrived at the beliefs that I now hold. It was a long and arduous process and I was attacked heavily. Satan wants to keep us believing in lies.

I did not arrive at these beliefs lightly.

Each of us has to follow the path that we feel instinctively that God is leading us on. It's not an easy path. The path to truth is filled with turmoil, and I'd even say danger because Satan does not want us to know truth. He uses people to do his work and sometimes there is even a direct spiritual attack. And it's often a lonely path.

When you don't go along with the mainstream then you can sometimes be ostracized.

It took many years to bring certain things into focus. For example, a friend who I thought was such a good Christian really wasn't. Her life seemed to sail along - she and her husband taught bible study while my life seemed an endless struggle. But her christianity was shallow - when it came time to really do the Christian thing they didn't do it. They taught bible but when their son ran into a black woman they refused to pay the damages. They justified it by saying "they must not have insurance."

When I was injured she never once visited, asked if I needed help - an unbelieving neighbor made me meals and brought them over and came and moved my car when she knew I couldn't get out of bed and visited after surgeries. My so-called "Christian" friend did none of those things.

James 2:16

“And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?”

So I see now why she was never attacked. Satan must love these types of "Christians" - in name only. Who teach bible in churches across America but then cheat someone the first chance they get.

My views have evolved over many years and they were hard won. And by the word "hard" I do mean hard.

I'm still learning new things daily. Two of the sites that I do recall that I learned a lot from was David Stewart - and of course he's heavily attacked. (By contrast look at Rick Warren - a member of CFR if you want to compare)

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com

And Henry Makow - "Illuminati the cult that hijacked the world."

https://www.henrymakow.com

Some things I'm still learning about but other things won't change because I know that God showed me the truth. One is the flag flying over Israel. It's a satanic symbol. Satan fools Christians by the false explanation of it being the star of David but when you find out, you learn it's demonic. That will start you on the path if you are so inclined to look into it:

https://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/the-star-of-david-deception/

I know that the path to truth is fraught with peril but I believe that's what Scripture was described when it spoke of the narrow path that leads to life. You can't be a follower to truly find truth.

Anyway I wish you luck on your unique journey. I truly do wish you Christian love.

Good question, how do we reconcile turn the other cheek with Jesus going in and turning some tables and kicking out the merchants at the temple?

You just answered my earlier question of how we reconcile. Thank you

repentance, humbling, prayer, and obeying are the greatest way to fight and see the hand of God move in your life. IF we do these thing before we react, the Holy Spirit will lead us from danger instead of always getting us out of danger

The best way to get out of Quicksand is not to go where you k ow it is and step in it.