The Millennium: An Earthly rule by Christ and his saints

Forget Jesuit Futurism and get to know Protestant Historicism.

This is symbolism. A "beast" is a kingdom, not a man. The "Beast" or "Little Horn" arises after the destruction of the four other beasts, namely Babylon, Medo Persia, Greece, and Rome. This Little Horn Beast was to arise among the Ten Horns, the ten barbarian tribes which invaded and destroyed the Roman Empire, and this Little Horn was to continue until the end of time and to its appointed day of destruction (which proves it's not an individual, but a kingdom).

Now, the symbolism refers to the other beasts "who had their lives prolonged". Since we cannot interpret this literally, seeing that these empires are long gone, the only explanation is that the "philosophies" of these kingdoms is what lives on, all of which make up the characteristics of the Little Horn:

Babylon: Sun god worship
Medo Persia: irrevocable code of law demanding strict (blind) obedience
Greece: human wisdom exalted over God's Word
Rome: iron fist (and nails) persecution and death of anyone who dares oppose it

In Revelation, when the word 'years' is used, there is always a specific time mentioned: 7 years, 3 1/2 years, 1000 years, etc. In proper Bible interpretation, every phrase is to be taken literally first. When a phrase is written symbolically, it's to be taken symbolically when it makes no literal sense.
If the context is literal, so is the statement within the context, The same with symbolic context. The context cannot be literal while the statement is symbolic.
So 1,000 years IS 1,000 literal years.

How does 2 Peter 3:10 KJV fit into the popular scenario which says Jesus will come "as a thief in the night" to rapture away the church, after which the wicked and the Jews will be left behind to go through the tribulation?

2 Peter 3:10 KJV says the destruction which accompanies the Lord's coming "as a thief in the night" won't allow for even 7 more minutes of anything down here, let alone 7 more years of tribulation, yes?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

Is it a literal day, a literal thousand years, or is it symbolic?

lol actually...There I be, among thou ranks.



I never argued that the beast was an individual. I agree it's a kingdom.

But the portion I marked in red isn't what the passage says. Notice the horn comes OUT OF the 4th beast and speaks, and then the 4th beast is destroyed by burning flame...this is the same destruction that we read from 2 Thessalonians 2 when the man of sin is destroyed with the brightness of the Messiah's coming.

Daniel 7:11
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.


Daniel saw the pompously speaking horn UNTIL the 4th beast was destroyed by fire. After the horn (and the 4th beast it grew out of) is burned and destroyed, we're told...


Daniel 7:12
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.


Now whether we argue that "dominion" was taken away by the 4th beast (Rome) or by the Messiah, we know that dominion means "world rule". So these kingdoms would still exist for a time and season. Well today, there is STILL a Babylon (Iraq), a Persia (Iran), a Greece, and a Rome (the seat of the papacy).

Peter did not preach the rapture. He was talking about the 2nd coming.

Since by this time the fourth beast Roman Empire has long since dropped off the stage of history, the "beast" that Daniel saw "was slain" during this Judgment can only be referring to the Little Horn itself, but Daniel calls it a "beast" because by the time of this time-of-the-end judgment, the papacy is well known to be a "beast" aka "the first beast of Revelation 13".

Daniel never calls the little horn a beast. The little horn is part of the 4th beast and not a beast by himself. When the 4th beast is destroyed by fire, that includes the 11th horn on that beast.

The "slain beast" can't be the fourth beast because at the time the "slain beast" is slain, it is during the Judgment which is at the end of time after the Little Horn has run his mouth for centuries and centuries, and the fourth beast Roman Empire has long since disappeared.

The entire "secret rapture" idea is built around Jesus supposedly coming "as a thief in the night" to quietly whisk away the saints before the 7 year tribulation, but Peter says when Jesus comes as "a thief in the night", the Earth is going to be in a catastrophic state. How can there be 7 more years of anything?

1000 years = 1000 years. Is this hard math for you?

Obviously the 4th beast was not Rome nor the little horn any Pope.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
Daniel is clearly speaking of the 4th beast in verse 11. Not only that but he is also clear the first 3 beasts remain alive after the 4th beast is destroyed.

As I said Peter was not preaching the rapture, it was a mystery that was revealed to the apostle Paul.

So I won't go to Peter, to understand what the rapture is about.

So, what about Peter saying the Lord is going to come "as a thief in the night"? When is that? I absolutely believe that Peter and Paul were talking about the same event, because BOTH refer to the Lord's coming in the exact same way.

Jesus taught the 12 in the parable of the 10 virgins to "keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. " (Matthew 25:13).

So its not surprising to me that Peter repeats what he was taught about Christ 2nd coming for Israel in his letters to Israel.

Are you saying that Paul refers to Jesus coming as a thief for the saints at the rapture and [...]