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throughfaith

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Thanks for showing us where you get "your truth".
Thanks for showing us where you get "your truth".
I've not noticed much scripture from you on here . Just a drive by comment . Have you ever posted any threads on here ? I've not noticed any discussions, just one liners .Like twitter or something.
 

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not angry at all deal with many who turn into trolls :)
Thats a silly thing to say given the amount of threads , posts , feedback , discussion, Scripture ect I've posted on here . Each time i challenge Calvinism ,the Arminain blows a gasket .
 
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They probably thought Jesus was a troll when they wanted to push him off a cliff also.
Dude. You have some serious issues,

your hatred has you blinded to what people really think, and you keep declair g you do not do the very thing you do to others,

ps, who is arminian in here that are blowing gaskets? I have yet to see any arminians. It has been awhile.
 

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One is saved by faith, saving faith is a gift of God the Spirit who comes to whom he wills, when he wills. There is nothing you can do to summon God the Spirit, no deed, no decision, no prayer. Like the wind that blows wherever it decides to blow, so does the Spirit who saves.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth: desires, wills, prefers, determines... and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth: faith... in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth: faith in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
 

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19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
 

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20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
 

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One is saved by faith, saving faith is a gift of God the Spirit who comes to whom he wills, when he wills. There is nothing you can do to summon God the Spirit, no deed, no decision, no prayer. Like the wind that blows wherever it decides to blow, so does the Spirit who saves.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
God does not force anyone to be saved against their will.

Better to be said that no one is able to escape the presence of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not choose who is saved and who is not saved. John 3:19-20 Jesus gives clear revelation on why some receive the word and are saved and why some reject the word of God and are condemned.

Salvation is a gift and no man can earn salvation. God is merciful to all men and offers salvation to all but many find all kinds of reasons not to receive the gift of salvation. Many are religious men who deny Christ and probably their number exceeds those who are not religious.

For the cause of Christ
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NOV25

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God does not force anyone to be saved against their will.

Better to be said that no one is able to escape the presence of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not choose who is saved and who is not saved. John 3:19-20 Jesus gives clear revelation on why some receive the word and are saved and why some reject the word of God and are condemned.

Salvation is a gift and no man can earn salvation. God is merciful to all men and offers salvation to all but many find all kinds of reasons not to receive the gift of salvation. Many are religious men who deny Christ and probably their number exceeds those who are not religious.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
All are evil and fall short Roger, it is God the Spirit who changes a mans nature causing Godly sorrow (2 corinthians 7:10) which worketh repentance and faith. It's called being born again. And as Jesus said, the wind blows where IT desires so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

May the Lord bless you with understanding of these biblical truths.
 

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Thats a silly thing to say given the amount of threads , posts , feedback , discussion, Scripture ect I've posted on here . Each time i challenge Calvinism,the Arminain blows a gasket .
no, you just are judgemental and arrogant. That is why I think your thread should be closed. I would no more agree with calling all Calvinist unbiblical than I would say all cessationists are not Christians or saved. The fact that you cannot see in many ways I agree with your position but do not approve of your method of communication. You are blinded by pride which takes away from your effectiveness. You are not even pithy.
 

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They probably thought Jesus was a troll when they wanted to push him off a cliff also.
You are not the same so please spare us the victim, pseudo martyr act.
 

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All are evil and fall short Roger, it is God the Spirit who changes a mans nature causing Godly sorrow (2 corinthians 7:10) which worketh repentance and faith. It's called being born again. And as Jesus said, the wind blows where IT desires so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

May the Lord bless you with understanding of these biblical truths.
You ignore the word of Jesus in John 3:18-19. Man yes he is fallen but God lighteneth every man so they are able to respond to the gospel.

It is the goodness of God that calls men to repentance in Christ Jesus. It is the determinate will of God that everyman shall make a choice to receive or reject Christ. Adam chose to follow Eve and sin in the garden. Adam was not deceived but made a choice. Men today must also make a choice for or against Christ. Men have the ability to choose because God gives it to everyman.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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You ignore the word of Jesus in John 3:18-19. Man yes he is fallen but God lighteneth every man so they are able to respond to the gospel.

It is the goodness of God that calls men to repentance in Christ Jesus. It is the determinate will of God that everyman shall make a choice to receive or reject Christ. Adam chose to follow Eve and sin in the garden. Adam was not deceived but made a choice. Men today must also make a choice for or against Christ. Men have the ability to choose because God gives it to everyman.

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Roger
why do suggest he ignore the word of Jesus?
 

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why do suggest he ignore the word of Jesus?
He is ignoring the necessity of man choosing to receive Christ and implying that sanctification occurs before salvation. His scripture is not intended to demonstrate a preparation to be saved but the result of being saved.

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Roger
 

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He is ignoring the necessity of man choosing to receive Christ and implying that sanctification occurs before salvation. His scripture is not intended to demonstrate a preparation to be saved but the result of being saved.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
can you please show me where he said sanctification occurs before salvation and I will AGREE with you?
 

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You ignore the word of Jesus in John 3:18-19. Man yes he is fallen but God lighteneth every man so they are able to respond to the gospel.

It is the goodness of God that calls men to repentance in Christ Jesus. It is the determinate will of God that everyman shall make a choice to receive or reject Christ. Adam chose to follow Eve and sin in the garden. Adam was not deceived but made a choice. Men today must also make a choice for or against Christ. Men have the ability to choose because God gives it to everyman.

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Roger
You're obviously confused, God does not "lighteneth" every man however, those whom he does "lighteneth" to believe the gospel he does so through his spirit. See above verses.

Good day.
 

notuptome

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You're obviously confused, God does not "lighteneth" every man however, those whom he does "lighteneth" to believe the gospel he does so through his spirit. See above verses.

Good day.
John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John tells a different story.

What you are trying to teach conflicts with scripture.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

throughfaith

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All are evil and fall short Roger, it is God the Spirit who changes a mans nature causing Godly sorrow (2 corinthians 7:10) which worketh repentance and faith. It's called being born again. And as Jesus said, the wind blows where IT desires so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

May the Lord bless you with understanding of these biblical truths.
Ezekiel 36 Is reguarding Israel. It says Israel. Its about Israel. A believer today is not CAUSED to walk in SATUTES and JUDGEMENT S .
 

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You're obviously confused, God does not "lighteneth" every man however, those whom he does "lighteneth" to believe the gospel he does so through his spirit. See above verses.

Good day.
If He really meant that Jesus lighteth everyman that cometh into the world how should he have put it ?