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NOV25 said:
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
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let it go. don't waste your time clearly this person is limited on time.
 
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Wrong! Can you be intellectually honest?

the context of my comment was the word " Foreknew"
which you responded with
"Foreknew is a word not a doctrine."

Elect or " the Elect" contextually have meaning with the word " Foreknew" which you asked me for Biblical verse, I provided.

I am going to let this go because I can see or I will say I can foreknow you will have some issues. And I will recommend this tread be closed because you are saying we are adding to scripture. You don't want open discussion or debate you want to insult. Do not respond to me again. we are done.

Thank you
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He is definitely on a warpath, look at all the threads he has opened same subject matter.
 
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CS1 said:
Wrong! Can you be intellectually honest?

the context of my comment was the word " Foreknew"
which you responded with
"Foreknew is a word not a doctrine."

Elect or " the Elect" contextually have meaning with the word " Foreknew" which you asked me for Biblical verse, I provided.

I am going to let this go because I can see or I will say I can foreknow you will have some issues. And I will recommend this tread be closed because you are saying we are adding to scripture. You don't want open discussion or debate you want to insult. Do not respond to me again. we are done.

Thank you
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You anger is noted .
 
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CS1 said:
Wrong! Can you be intellectually honest?

the context of my comment was the word " Foreknew"
which you responded with
"Foreknew is a word not a doctrine."

Elect or " the Elect" contextually have meaning with the word " Foreknew" which you asked me for Biblical verse, I provided.

I am going to let this go because I can see or I will say I can foreknow you will have some issues. And I will recommend this tread be closed because you are saying we are adding to scripture. You don't want open discussion or debate you want to insult. Do not respond to me again. we are done.

Thank you
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Each time I'm responded to by a derogatory comment , which i don't retaliate to ,other than go to the Scriptures . What gives ? Then its threats ? Or i get shut down ?
 
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CS1 said:
Ok I will show you Rom11:2

is one of many examples :

"God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.( of those whom God elected to salvation )Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying,"

also known as to predestinate from the Greek translation.
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All I pointed out was that you added ///I]"God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.( of those whom God elected to salvation ) Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying,"
The part in brackets . My point was that if you let the verses stand ,its saying as it reads. That who he knew before.
 
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CS1 said:
Wrong! Can you be intellectually honest?

the context of my comment was the word " Foreknew"
which you responded with
"Foreknew is a word not a doctrine."

Elect or " the Elect" contextually have meaning with the word " Foreknew" which you asked me for Biblical verse, I provided.

I am going to let this go because I can see or I will say I can foreknow you will have some issues. And I will recommend this tread be closed because you are saying we are adding to scripture. You don't want open discussion or debate you want to insult. Do not respond to me again. we are done.

Thank you
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Not once have i responded like this to anyone . Even when I've been spoken to disrespectfully.
 
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phil36 said:
Hi throughfaith,

As I've said before if you are an orphan and another family takes you in then they have adopted you. Paul is talking about that Already but not yet tension. We' are saved Already, yet we await that final glorification -Not yet.

So in the 'legal' sense we are 'Already adopted into the kingdom of God, Paul refers to this at Romans 8:15 (just a few verses before the verses you have supplied). We already enjoy the benefits of Sons. Paul takes this further when we get to the verses you provided. We will receive the fullness of ''adoption'' ie, resurrected bodies -perfect and free from sin..

So as one commentator has put it (in my own words). As adopted son/daughters we already enjoy some of the privilege's, but not yet fully at present. But we will enjoy all the privileges of heirs with Christ with the redemption of our bodies when Glorified.



Already - Romans 8:15

15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”


Not yet - Romans 8:23

23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
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Ok but my point is that to become a son is done as it says in John 1.12 . Not adoption . There are no verses that say we join God's family like this . We are 'birthed ' not adopted . The redemption of our bodies IS the adoption. Im waiting for it as the verses say . Im predestined to it as it says in eph 1.5 . Its the whole point of predestination . What use is labouring on predestination to conversion? it does nothing.
 
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phil36 said:
Hi throughfaith,

As I've said before if you are an orphan and another family takes you in then they have adopted you. Paul is talking about that Already but not yet tension. We' are saved Already, yet we await that final glorification -Not yet.

So in the 'legal' sense we are 'Already adopted into the kingdom of God, Paul refers to this at Romans 8:15 (just a few verses before the verses you have supplied). We already enjoy the benefits of Sons. Paul takes this further when we get to the verses you provided. We will receive the fullness of ''adoption'' ie, resurrected bodies -perfect and free from sin..

So as one commentator has put it (in my own words). As adopted son/daughters we already enjoy some of the privilege's, but not yet fully at present. But we will enjoy all the privileges of heirs with Christ with the redemption of our bodies when Glorified.



Already - Romans 8:15

15 The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.”


Not yet - Romans 8:23

23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.
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KJV .
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Spirit OF adoption .
If I recieve the ' Guarantee ' of something its not the thing .
I realise what some theologians say on this and why they 'adopt ' this view . And why some translations read in a certain light .
 
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Each time I'm responded to by a derogatory comment , which i don't retaliate to ,other than go to the Scriptures . What gives ? Then its threats ? Or i get shut down ?
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Again, you can’t see your own flaws.

you do not practice what you demand of others,
 
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throughfaith said:
Each time I'm responded to by a derogatory comment , which i don't retaliate to ,other than go to the Scriptures . What gives ? Then its threats ? Or i get shut down ?
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oh no, the victim card being pulled again lol
 
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Were definitely back at the school playground .
 
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