Should the church still believe ?

My Grandfather said that movement was not based upon a false doctrine of better do this or you'll have this coming to you but he said in his own ministry preaching began hitting on the [End Times, the Apocalypse]. The Fire and Brimstone was part of the their End Time message.

If it comes up, because your studying revelation, or prophecy, it’s great

otherwise, your missing far to much of the word

They believed in their day the [End was near]. My Grandfather felt it would be somewhere in his grandchildren/great grandchildren lives. But his Teaching and Preaching was to usher it in and pass the torch.

My Grandfather said his Ministry ended with the church of Philadelphia (the 1960-70-80's era of brotherly love) coming to an end and giving way to Laodecia, which is [us now].

so which denomination teaches what’s there do you have any idea ?

why do churches all have thier own interpretations of scripture ? And which one has it right ? That’s sort of the idea of asking for advice , I’m not sure where you are coming from no I’m not claiming I’m perfect or that anyone is , I’m asking if you know of any denominations I should look into that teach the same doctrine in the New Testament ?

Any thoughts ? Or is your advise just don’t worry about if they teach the Bible and go with the flow ?

I really enjoyed reading your thoughts and appreciate you taking the time to give me some ideas to ponder .

when I was reading this chapter my mind just keeps going to this

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭

such as this chapter from Paul above if we receive and believe it , is different than if we hear and reject it based on our own version , I think denominations must come from confusion.

what I mean is if we believe things like this

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

wouldn’t that then just form the right thinking and understanding if we accept and believe it’s the truth ? And let it correct what we thought and what people had told us that’s incorrect ?

I’m really at a cross roads brother I seem to be in your frame of thought about denominations but I need one because it’s not designed for us to go it alone we need our brothers and sisters support in this world

there’s something about the gospel that needs people to come together in agreement with Christ and his doctrine isn’t it really about us hearing and accepting the gospel and letting Gods word heal and save us by repairing our minds and hearts ?

wow amen that is really good thought to consider thank you for taking the time .

I’m reminded of a pastor who said “ we need to start making the gospel more people friendly, stop talking about sin and repentance and just talk about Love”

I think there are very deceptive messages like that out there appearing as light but requiring us to disbelieve the gospel and believe a counterfeit version created by itching ears and the caucus of teachers who aim to do this


“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:1-4‬ ‭

it seems like that’s happened and now there’s just confusion and shards of truth

Mark 16:15

“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭

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yes I also love it brother , sometimes because I believe it I am convicted a sinner , but because I believe it truly ......I find a place and a way for repentance when I find myself a sinner and do not deny but confess and repent

sometimes the truth brings sorrow because it shows us our wrong ways and calls Us to repent and do the right things , but because We believe what it says We know to accept our guilt and repent , to stop following the sin weve committed , we can recognize sin for what it is and it doesn’t have the same lure knowing the truth about sin.

but all along as we’re learning the harder truths about repentance and righteousness we have the lord comforting and assuring us that he is sufficient to cover our short comings as long as we believe and repent and repent and believe

but when we remove parts of the truth it leaves the truth incomplete

this is truth

“For by pgrace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8, 10‬ ‭


And so also is this truth

“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5:3-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as a brother said wisely there is grace and there is also truth when we stray from either our understanding is fouled and left incomplete the answer is to accept grace in the light of the truth and follow where he leads us

I’m wondering where that denomination is because I don’t know about different denominations and what they believe I’m wondering if anyone has good understanding of what different denominations believe , I’m looking online but there’s so much different contrary info about each denomination

but don’t you agree it’s part of what God said to mankind ?

your looking at it through the law of Moses like this

“Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the Lord our God any more, then we shall die.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5:25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when your saying “ it’s a fear tactic “ your saying that about what God has clearly said to cause us to be afraid of turning away from him and serving sin because he’s telling the truth about it like he told Adam

“And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he told Adam that to create a fear of transgression in adams nature. Fear such as do this or else is because your looking through your old eyes at God like he’s a dictator setting arbitrary rules and creating a terrible punishment for all who will not bow to him ect....that’s not the truth of God

it’s a warning meant to keep us alive , he’s telling us the truth “ don’t walk into the busy street son , you’ll surely be ran down by a car “

versus “ if you don’t jump through my hoops I’ll destroy you and make you suffer “

“ the fruit is poisonous son don’t eat that one all else is yours “ that’s a gift and a warning meant to keep
Life meant to create a fear of the poisonous deadly fruit

we have to see the truth of the New Testament they said “ Gods word will surely cause our deaths if we hear his voice anymore “ because he was warning them of sin and death

Christ gives us the true perspective of Gods word

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭

when God says this

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that is not a Man made scare tactic and it’s not a threat of what Gods going to do to you unless you do as he said .

it’s a warning for someone who accepts and believes the gospel and those who do will be saved because they come out of the devils deception about Gods word meant to restrict us and not the truth that sets us free his word is eternal
Life if we believe

“In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭

The Fear of God is wisdom because it’s a fear of sin and death meant to keep us from it . To be afraid of God is an idea of the enemy to keep us from believing his word

fear is essential it needs to be placed correctly

FYI. I am talking about people who have hellfire and brimstone sermons every Sunday

is there more than one brother ? The church of Jesus Christ on earth that is filled with and operates by the Holy Ghost that church the body of Christ .

do you know of any denominations that still believe the four gospels are the foundation and unchanging word of God still today ? I thought all of them would but it seems like there’s twenty versions of crucial points of doctrine

I am not versed on what each denomination believes is the point of this post I’m wondering and looking for advice about a denomination that sticks to what’s actually there and doesn’t exclude or warp everything

yes it’s on nearly every page of the Bible so I think there’s a place for voices calling out about repentance and the consequences of not repenting

there’s a message today “ sure sins bad but no ones going to hell for it “ that’s simply not true the message tells us how to be saved and what happens if we don’t accept that message of salvation .

I think what your saying is true you can’t just talk about hell but you can’t just talk about grace and salvation without talking about the other it’s one message and is complete in nature

You have a perfect grasp about all of what you wrote here far to many who reside in specific denominations tend to dissect and pick everything apart to much and complicate grace and sin works and salvation don't get me wrong it is good and profitable if done in a Christ like manner but there is such a thing as making things to complicated you have to see the bible and the story of God's plan as a whole puzzle picture not seperate pieces of the puzzle you can't tell what the image shows when you finish the puzzle

From what you have shown you fit in the non denominational basically Chhristians who like me don't belong to any one denomination they just believe what God places in their hearts and what he speaks to them through scripture they call themselves just Christian or sinner saved by grace or like me a child of God, of course calling it nondenomination or accepting it is a sect of the branches of Christian faith makes it a denomination but many people here I know are nondenomination and honestly I have seen some of the most loving and amazing hearts from many of them but I have also found many who do go by denomination but I think you would be comfortable in that kind of group

Your grandad believed the Bible

“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22:12, 20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s meant for us to believe the end could be tomorrow or ten thousand years but it is imminent because we have only a short lifetime to accept the gospel our end is always just ahead our last day is always a few years out can always come at any moment in this world

the gospel is in the world only because we are in the world and need to hear and believe in order to go home to the lord when we leave this world where his kingdom is in full swing and is coming one day soon to us all who believe the writers of the nt believes the end was near also

“Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭4:15-16‬ ‭

“For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”
‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a principle about urgency that’s hard for us to accept even though it’s throughout that teaches us to love each day as if he’s coming tomorrow , this allows us to do away with complacency in Christ and gives us the motivation to repent quickly when we find ourselves off course , rather than feeling “it’s going to be a thousand Years , so we can linger in sin a bit longer we have time to get right later .”


As Paul says it’s always “ today that is the day of salvation , “until suddenly time runs out. Yesterday can’t save us but it can condemn us if we continually repeat it and fail to repent and believe the gospel

“God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:1-2‬ ‭

there is this element of the gospel understanding Jesus gives us

“Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.( parable of the ten virgins )

the conclusion and lesson from this parable

....Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:1-2,

we’re meant to know it’s any day so we’re supposed to live like that it’s an understanding that is meant to create change in how we live

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:10-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s about an understanding a new spirit that creates change because we believe it could be tonight or not in my lifetime , but my lifetime is the time to believe and be saved so it’s always imminent as death hangs above us

Hi Pilgrimshope,

In your first post no 1 you said this:


Then you proceeded with a list of Scripture etc.... Then you said this:




You seem to have your view of what a church should be preaching. I think what you really mean is why don't churches preach what you think they all should. In fact your post makes that plain. And you want us to prove your wrong.

If you want advice, Then here's some simple questions that might narrow this down for you:

1. Do you believe the bible teaches infant/ or believer only Baptism
2. What type of church governance does the bible teach?
3. In your soteriology are you Arminian or Reformed (independents have mixed congregations so that's also an option).

That's just three very simple basics to narrow it down for.. as you mention neither in your OP.

My reply was simple there are many churches everywhere all over the world faithfully preaching the word week in week out, all different denominations. I can't help it if you think they don't teach according to your view (that also answers your question on why so many denominations..Irony indeed).

You fail to mention what denominations/churches you've been to that do not teach the scripture faithfully.

thank you for the thoughts brother , I may have mis wrote something because I don’t seem to have a grasp on anything in my thinking , I would describe my current state as desperately seeking answers as to why we part from the gospel and call it truth and form a denomination which separates itself from other believers based on someone’s misunderstanding whether it’s one denomination or the other who has it wrong , why does it cause division ? Or rather why do we take the bait and let Satan divide and conquer us ?

you seem to have some wisdom in your words brother I truly appreciate your valuable time in sharing those thoughts . In love and patience , your brother in Christ

well first I’m not looking to argue . Second you miss my question overall it’s not about what “ I think they should teach “ my question clearly is “ why does no one teach what JESUS said to teach until the end of the world ? And JESUS said was the truth of salvation meant specifically for his church ?

so first you would have to not come to argue , second can you answer if tou
Know any denominations that teach the true gospel ? The one Jesus Christ preached and authorized for salvation ?


To be clear I’m not looking for “any truth “ I’m looking for the truth written in the gospel I’m asking if there is any denomination based on those things not a new age version , or ancient law of Moses but based on the four gospels and thier message

I agree, in man and lead by man there is no perfect church.

You can look and look, there is no perfect church lead by man.

The true church is not of man. It doesn’t know denomination. It is of one faith. One Father, and One teacher/master. It is spiritual and lead by the Holy Spirit. Warning though, it is made of sinners.

Sinners who are on their journey too through the wilderness. As they go through it they learn who to trust, how to trust, how to act, who to follow. To be dependent on God for their salvation, sanctification, and guidance to where you are going and what you have and why you have it. You see, they are all at different points of learning and spread out through the wilderness. But, they are of one mind and one leader in the tent of meeting.

I would submit then do not look for a man to follow. Don’t you know you are loved by God and being loved are just as worthy of the baptism of the Holy Spirit as the apostles? If you are willing to, tithe not part of your heart to Him, but all of it. This is the greatest commandment.

Seek first the kingdom of heaven, put Him first in all things.

Then seek fellow brothers and sisters who do the same. Then you will find the love you seek and the words kept. Because God is their Lord and inside of them.

I have seen when churches allow and support small groups and Bible study. There God can work on people better and help them find the truth and keep it.

Or you can keep searching through the catalog of man’s church.

In Love
A brother in Christ