Calvinists are preaching a false message .

Thank You, glad someone picked up on that. You've renewed my hope in humanity 😂

first off usually is not necessarily all.

FYI John Calvin spoke more about Holiness than he did Election. IF you are going to judge a Calvinist, you must do so from what John Calvin said in the light of the word of God.

"Election" is biblical. The theological teaching from the Bible is there and Jesus taught on it before John Calvin did. We must be mature.

prove your point biblically. why election is not as you say. Leave the labeling out of it. If Calvinism is unbiblical please show it with the word of God and allow the chips to fall where they may. Try not to speak to those directly that way it won't take away from your position. Just a humble suggestion yet do what you feel right

Like i said , I'm addressing Calvinism ( ism )

I have not seen anything that you have laid out that is clear Calvinism, I'm sorry did I miss it? Please direct me to the post?

Thank you

You need to learn the following:


Election, Adoption, Sanctification, and justification

Well unbelieving Israel is the elect . Rom 11 .
28¶As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Jesus is ' elect '

Isaiah 42:1
“Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.”

Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)

Predestination is of existing saints to adoption/glorification, not sinners to conversion. (Eph. 1:5, 11; Rom. 8:23, 29-30)

Election is to service, calling and purpose, not to salvation. (Isa. 42:1; Acts 9:15; Rom. 11:28)

Adoption is the future redemption of the body, not conversion. (Rom. 8:23, 15-17; Gal. 4:1-6)
Sinners become sons of God through the new birth, not through adoption. (John 1:12-13)

There are 2 callings: Gospel and vocational, not inward or outward or effectual or ineffectual, etc… (2 Thess. 2:14; Eph. 4:1; Rom. 8:28; 2 Cor. 5:20)

Christ’s life, not his death is what saves. (Rom. 5:10; 1 Cor. 15:17)

Sinner is saved by regeneration, not atonement. (Tit. 3:5)

Glorification is what’s limited, not atonement. (Rom. 3:23; 8:17-30)

When Christ said, “It is finished,” on the cross, everyone was still in their sins as per 1 Cor. 15:17.

Atonement is one component of many components in salvation. It alone is not what saves. (Tit. 3:5; Rom. 5:10)

Atonement is a prerequisite for salvation, not the execution of it. (Rom. 5, 8; 2 Cor. 5; Tit. 3:5).

The Atonement must be received. (Rom. 5:11, 17; Jn. 1:12; 1 Cor. 15:1-4)

The Atonement does not glorify anyone. (Rom. 8)

What Calvinists call “the golden chain of redemption” contains no direct reference to the atonement. (Rom. 8:29-30)

Belief that salvation for anyone was secured on the cross constitutes a denial of the necessity of the resurrection (1 Cor. 15:17)

Salvation is eternally secured by the sealing of the spirit, not “election.” (Eph. 1:13-14; 4:30; 2 Cor. 1:22)

There is no sealing of the spirit before Pentecost or after the harpazo of the church. (Eph. 4:30; John 14:17; Heb. 6:4-6; 10:26-29)

There are two aspects to salvation: presence/effects of sin and lack of glorification. Nothing that eradicates sin glorifies the sinner. Both aspects must be resolved for salvation to occur. (Rom. 3:23; 5:8; 8:17-30)

Conviction of the Holy Spirit is necessary for salvation, but occurs to sinners alike, regardless of consequent faith or unbelief. It is not irresistible or unconditionally selective. (Jn. 16:7-11)

Grace is a ubiquitous reality, not a selective force. (Tit. 2:11-13)

Grace is just fine on it’s own as it’s found in scripture. Any modifier other than “free,” such as “sovereign,” “irresistible,” or “prevenient” indicate someone is either confused or attempting to confuse. (Rom. 3:24; 5:15; Jn. 1:16; Tit. 2:11-13)

Ask an Arminian how salvation occurs, their response usually starts with "I". This is a problem and typically a good place to start.

Those are the very topics I've been addressing since I joined.

Arminianism is just another branch of calvinistic thinking ,and is wrong for all the same reasons Calvinism is wrong .

What ever John Calvin taught ,it was in light of his worldview . Which was Augustines teachings . Which he furthered .
Calvin wrote:
“Augustine is so wholly with me, that if I wished to write a confession of my faith, I could do so with all fullness and satisfaction to myself out of his writings.”

You need to learn Hebrew for elect and the Context for both in Old and New Testament

The word Elect is synonymous with many others and must be seen in context.

The elect, my people, the called-out ones, the chosen, the graphed in, and the adoption and the wild vine.

Jesus being the elect is HIM being the willing person of the Trinity to step out of His position to redeem us.

you can't justify a wrong by speaking of another wrong LOL.

FYI the reformer were not all wrong try not to throw out the baby with the bath water.

Scripture says . Isaiah 42:1
“Behold my SERVANT, whom I uphold; mine ELECT , in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: HE SHALL BRING FORTH judgment to the Gentiles.”

Acts 9.15
15¶But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a ( 1) CHOSEN vessel unto me,( 2) TO bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: ( 1 = service 2= purpose )

Rom 11.28
28¶As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the ELECTION, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Catholics are not ALL wrong either .

Election also is speaking of the Foreknowledge of God which man is not privileged to know. God is able to reject one and accept another, Which is biblical in the context of the Nature of God. To use that to say " I am chosen and you are not " is the issue of some Calvinist who branched off into other things, not all were godly.

Which verses says this?

now you are being foolish because no one is saying the RCC is right but I will say there are those in the RCC who are saved.

Do you disagree with that? Or are you just more wanting us to agree with you because not doing so has to be error because you know better than we all?