Leftist Thinking Is The Most Destructive Element In Existence

Ecclesiastes 10:2

The heart of the wise inclines to the right,
but the heart of a fool to the left.

The issue within Christianity is trusting the bible. Many say they do ,but they are really trusting systematic theology . Just parroting the theologians that have figured it all out for them and trusting that, instead of being taught how to arrive at the conclusions there taught the end result and to give up their sense making .

Without theology, you really can't begin to touch on the multiplicity of concepts and realities that God speaks in Scripture. I've been studying theology for 2 years towards a PhD. It is astounding how much it has opened my eyes even more to the majesty, grace and wisdom of God.

Of course, I've read the Bible over 50 times, including the NT in Koine Greek and the OT in Biblical Hebrew. I trust God totally, he is the one leading and guiding me.

As for you, stop spreading your vicious jealous nonsense about something you know nothing about. Going to seminary and now working on a PhD are the most life changing things I've ever done. My professors have been godly men and women, most of them spent years in foreign missions fields.

How many years have you spent in foreign countries doing missionary work? How many times have you read the Bible, cover to cover, for that matter?

If you had said you had simply read the bible several times that would have been enough. Sadly all the academic stuff you mentioned i would say with Paul that most of it is dung. It actually damages your understanding of the bible. If your a calvinist then that is precisely my point. A Calvinist, no matter how many phds and titles does not know the bible. As for myself i make no boast. Yes I've read the bible several times. Its never enough. I simply stand in the town centre and preach the Gospel, approaching as many as i can with tracts . This I've done since i was saved . I have no titles ,no phd in theology . I stand with the bible in my hand and simply preach the Gospel.

i think you're confusing capitalism with a confused version of the morality the Bible teaches.

capitalism isn't Christianity. Christianity isn't capitalism.

"give to whoever asks you without demanding it back"
"do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth"
"keep your life free from love of money and be content with what you have"
"be on your guard against covetousness"

capitalism teaches covetousness and rests on the idea that you own what's given to you. it is self-serving.
the scripture teaches generosity and that you have nothing which you didn't receive. the silver and the gold and the cattle and the land belong to God.
God commands us that we serve others.

Let's hope that is not ....only .....the case.
With the decline in scripture teachings and followings declining greatly....then giving will totally disappear.

My experience is that people do not seem to trust the Holy Spirit.

I think that a lot of people trust that it is the Holy Spirit when its not, and they don't believe the bible is how we can know.

Conservatives, who are usually Capitalists, are far more generous than commie leftists, as the public tax records of various politicians demonstrate. The only time leftists get excited about giving to the poor is when it involves other people's money.
If a Capitalist earns and then distributes his wealth, he is in full compliance with Jesus' counsel.

posthuman said:

"keep your life free from love of money and be content with what you have"

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Who told you that you have to love money to be a Capitialist? Solomon says money is a "defense", which is one of many other reasons to earn wealth besides "loving" it.

posthuman said:

"be on your guard against covetousness"

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Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Solomon, David, etc., were all very wealthy, yet generous to the poor. Were they covetous or were they Biblically responsible with their wealth?

Well, I'll jump in. I'm a lefty but I am not Marxist! Well I'm more a centrist bordering on the left. Oh I forgot to say in politics I'm definitely on the conservative side when referring to my faith.

You can be left leaning in politics and conservative in your faith. I think it seems to be an american problem where your political beliefs have to be the same as your political beliefs...maybe I'm wrong.

Whats wrong with health care for all at the point of need.

Free school meals for those on low income.

Workers rights, paid leave, maternity leave etc etc.

and the list goes on.

Now I know your going to tell me how much this costs and your taxes will go up. Not in the UK at least people already know what they are paying. And let me tell you when you take taxes into account we pay no more than what you do in the states. So my question is for our american cousins where is all your tax dollars going to as your government pays more per head on health care than the UK, France or Germany and yet we get free health care at point of need. And in Scotland free medicine for whatever you need for however long you need it (as long as you actually need it)..unfortunately not much sunshine

Anyhow sorry about the rant I like the fact we look after each other, we still have capitalism as a system because it has been proven to work and yet within that we can still look after each other in a dignified way. Is that not cool and loving.

It is not how much the cost is.
It is about ...freebies...where does it stop?
There is no end to the liberal left thinking.
Most all agree that...food...drugs...medical care...living space...is needed for our future as a nation to progress.
But, look....obama even gave free phones. Free taxi for trips for job interviews.
Next free tv for reviewing news and ads for jobs, etc.
It will never end...even beyond socialism.

We are approaching 30 trillion in debt. Where does that end?

If over 50 you have enjoyed the best that any nation will have in history. It is over. Starting soon....there will be less and less.
The tax paying group is growing thin.

Hi peldom10,

I understand, everything has a cost no doubt about that.

One of the points I made was that in America your Government spends more per head on health care than the Uk and you get nothing for it. Who's taking the money. So basically your paying twice.

It not an easy thing to answer..how far do you go.. Myself personally I think Healthcare definitely. Most Western countries already have free at the point of need.

Free school meals for those on low income I think is great idea. I know because when I was a lad (long time ago) I was on free school meals. (not the whole).

How much to spend on welfare is a subjective matter but most western countries can afford it. If politicians stopped worrying about getting re-elected and spending/wasting money on making themselves look good we might be a better position.

National debt has always been a problem.. Long before the USA came about Kings/queens in Europe would extract money for wars and frivolous spending. Nothing much has really changed except its now Governments spending the money. At-least some western countries have been spending some of that money to help its citizens.

But free health care at the point of need is not a hard stretch for any western country to provide. And most do provide this.

I want to note that I'm not against capitalism. It's the best system so far...aslong as we don't forget we need to look after each other, rather than rampant individualism.

Free health care is the worst freebie.
Go to Detroit and interview many from Canada over here for care because they can not get what they need there.
Many Canadian health professionals are tripping across the border in Detroit and New York daily because they can earn much more money. Many hospitals through our great country have Canadian professionals employed.
Be frank if a person is going to spend 10 years for education and probably upwards of a million dollars, he has a right to earn a top level of pay.

We have the basis for the best health care in the world;
1 There are those who can qualify for medical aid.
2 There are those who qualify and can be covered under medicare.
3 There are those who can be covered with assistance with payment of monthly insurance premiums based on income level
4 A combination of the above as practical.
Drugs included.

That is where obama care went wrong...it wasn't needed.















































ose who qualify can be covered ,

Well, i can only talk about the Healthcare here in Uk its very good. Germanys is also very good and France.


I have a friend who I grew up with here. He now lives in California (15yrs now). He has Health insurance with his firm. But he has to fork out a small fortune each month for his medication and his tax bill each month is roughly the same as mine.. Are you saying that he can actually get help to pay medicine bill? If you could pass me the info I'll email and tell him

Any how I think we'l have to agree to disagree about Healthcare at the point of need.

THAT is the crux of the issue. Leftists don’t realize that when it comes to freebies, governments print money out of thin air to cover the rest of what taxes don’t - which drives INFLATION through the roof.

But we can’t blame our leftist Christian brothers and sisters for thinking the way they do - they’ve been propagandize by leftists educators, who ignore Socialism’s massive failures. You might get free treatment for sniffles in Canada, but good luck surviving cancer or any number of life threatening lifestyle diseases - Trudeau sent his wife HERE for her treatments 🤣 Leftists are clueless when it comes to the mass graves to which Socialism eventually leads, as well as the hyperinflation which has destroyed once prosperous economies like Venezuela. We now know the same voter fraud software used to steal the 2020 presidency from Trump was used to install Socialism there.

Jesus said we’d always have the poor among us but they say, “Nah, Jesus, we gonna solve it with Socialism.” Nebuchadnezzar stupidly thought he could change the prophetic word of the Lord, too.

Actually, our medical system is excellent, and free to every person in Canada. My SIL had cancer, she is 9 years cancer free, treated in Canada. I have multiple autoimmune diseases, the meds are very expensive. It is all free for me. I'm talking $100,000s a year.

I frequent a lot of doctors. Besides my rheumatologist, I have a liver specialist (who is one of the best doctors I've ever had), a pulmonologist, kidney specialist allergy specialist, ophthalmologist, orthopaedic surgeon and a bone density specialist. No copay, and it really doesn't take long to see them.

I've also experienced American health care. I got food poisoning or a flu. I became extremely dehydrated, when we were driving back from California to Alberta. We stopped in a small town in Idaho, with a brand new hospital. No one was in the ER waiting room. I got taken into a room, that was fancier than any hotel I have ever stayed in. I had my own washroom with ceramic tiles on the floor. I had a remote for the flat screened tv I wasn't well enough to watch.

The doctor said I had a flu, and gave me 3 litres of fluid, and 2 types of anti nausea drugs. Sent me home.

The bill for those 2 hours was $3000 and another $550 for the doctor. My husband had private insurance through work, and they negotiated and paid for the whole thing. But the hospital collection agency harassed me for more money for a year, and said I had not paid anything. It was totally incompetent, and my insurance gave them a piece of their minds, and the harassment finally stopped.

Meanwhile, the next day, my husband got sick after eating the same pizza that made me sick. (Not the flu at all!) I drove through a snow storm in the mountains of Montana to get him back to Canada. He was put on IV fluids and given a gravol, and sent home (to our hotel) in 2 hours. Cost- $0. It wasn't as fancy as the American hospital, but I wanted medical treatment, not a room that was better than anything I'd ever stayed in.

My American cousin had jaw problems. She was a nurse, snd her husband an ER doc. They had all the doctors, nurses and techs donate their time. It still cost them $30K just for the surgical room, and a hospital bed. Most people could never afford that!

The American health care system is literally screwed up. So many overlapping services, HMOs, it costs over $9000 per person per year to run. The numbers of every other developed country in the world, are half or less with universal health care. The US is a bloated system set up for the rich.

I'll take my chances every time with Canada. As for Sophie and Justin Trudeau, they are a drain on the public purse. We just found out he spent $200,000 on a family Christmas vacation in Costa Rica at taxpayers expense. He is a total lefty, admires communism and involved in the UN and the Great Reset, or the NWO. Pretty dumb to use the worst prime minister Canada has ever had, as your example. They are Laurentian elitists, and hated by 1/2 of Canada!!

So you have totally gotten this wrong. I just took a course on Christianity and Politics for my PhD in an American Theological Institute. We talked extensively about universal versus private health care. Not one person in the class knew anything about universal health care, except the student from Cuba. But their system is very primitive compared to Canada or other developed nations. I got the same boring arguments about how much better American health care was. I explained our system, and most felt they had really had their eyes opened. Well, one or two hated the American system already, particularly one woman who got her drugs shipped from Canada, which she could not afford to buy in the US.

I'll close with a true story. In 2009, my RA meds failed, and I was put in a drug called Rituxan, a biologic given by infusion in a clinic. You get 2 doses 2 weeks apart, and then nothing for 6 months or longer, depending upon your response. I had two American friends with RA on the same drug. We were talking about the cost of the drug one day. The one from California paid $55,000 for his set of two infusions. The one from Chicago paid $75,000 for her two infusions.

Do you know how much I paid in Canada? $4000! And with insurance and public insurance, I had two copays of $25, although I would pay zero in BC. That is highway robbery. It is excessive gouging. I know our drug manufacturers were making money at $2000 per infusion. It was a giant rip off for my friends who paid thousand of times what I did.

That is what I think of your extremely poor and gouging system in the US.

Someone else mentioned this, but it's worth pointing out specifically:

A key problem with leftist thinking is the flagrancy with which they are willing to spend other people's money.

So basically you're turning the declining popularity of Christianity into a political issue, then saying that all scientists are leftists and therefore wrong, and that they should spend their education learning about religious dogma rather than something as evil as rationality?

Please allow that when theology is replaced by any form of mankind's ideologies, there is grave error in the making.