Is the false teaching of pre-tribulation rapture, getting the power of "him" out of the way, who restrains the antichrist?

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BenjaminN

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Lisamn said:
It’s not me forcing anyone though is it? If there is no other name under heaven to be saved by than the name of Jesus..its God saying that’s the way it is.
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The English language did not even exist, when that Word was scribed, as received from God's Holy Spirit. The last of God's Word was scribed about 2000 years ago.
 
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Ahwatukee said:
That wouldn't be how your name is said in another language. Your example is a short version of the same English name. I'm talking about the same name spoken in a different language, which the case between Yeshua, Iesous and Jesus, Hebrew, Greek and English.

However, this is not something that needs to be debated. You are free to stick with the English version of Jesus if you want. What is important is knowing that they are all the same name for the same person. The Son of God. The One who shed His blood.

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Pilate also had a notice posted on the cross. It read:


JESUS OF NAZARETH,
THE KING OF THE JEWS.
Many of the Jews read this sign, because the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and it was written in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek. So the chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, “Do not write, ‘The King of the Jews,’ but only that He said, ‘I am the King of the Jews.’”
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Now, since the notice was written in Hebrew, Latin and Greek, do you think that in each posting that the name 'Jesus' was used in each language? No, it would not! The Hebrew version would have used 'Yeshua/Jehoshua ' and the Greek 'Iesous' and Latin would have been IESVS.
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They still could have posted His name as Jesus in all three languages...I don’t see why they have to post His name any differently at all. My name in other languages is still Lisa.
 
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BenjaminN said:
The English language did not even exist, when that Word was penned, as received from God's Holy Spirit. The last of God's Word was penned about 2000 years ago.
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I would say that if His name is Yeshua..then God would have made that be the name that we be saved by. He has made His word continue for all these years..and its the name of Jesus we are saved by.
 
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Lisamn said:
The Jews don’t get raptured. They are protected when they run to the mountains by God.
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Jews don't listen to what Jesus said so no, they won't be running anywhere. They, like the whole world, will accept the AC as a God.
 
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Lisamn said:
I’m not forcing anyone...but I do believe that the right name to be saved with is the name of Jesus.
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None of the disciples or early Christians ever heard the name "Jesus".
 
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ewq1938 said:
Jews don't listen to what Jesus said so no, they won't be running anywhere. They, like the whole world, will accept the AC as a God.
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I think that when the Jews see the abomination of desolation..they will want to flee.

Matthew‬ ‭24:15‬ ‭
Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)​
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ewq1938 said:
None of the disciples or early Christians ever heard the name "Jesus".
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Why do you say that?

Sounds like Josephus had heard of Jesus...and not Yeshua even..
Antiquities 18:63
The standard text of Josephus reads as follows:
About this time lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was the achiever of extraordinary deeds and was a teacher of those who accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah.​
The preponderance of evidence, then, strongly suggests that Josephus did indeed mention Jesus in both passages. He did so in a manner totally congruent with the New Testament portraits of Christ, and his description, from the vantage point of a non-Christian, seems remarkably fair, especially in view of his well-known proclivity to roast false messiahs as wretches who misled the people and brought on war with the Romans.
https://www.namb.net/apologetics/resource/josephus-and-jesus/
 
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Lisamn said:
I think that when the Jews see the abomination of desolation..they will want to flee.

Matthew‬ ‭24:15‬ ‭
Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand)​
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Christ was talking to Christians in that verse. Most Jews have never read any part of the NT. Even if they did read it, they aren't going to obey what Jesus said to do.

Daniel also didn't say to run anywhere so that's just not going to happen. Christians will run to the mountains when they see the AoD.
 
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ewq1938 said:
Christ was talking to Christians in that verse. Most Jews have never read any part of the NT. Even if they did read it, they aren't going to obey what Jesus said to do.

Daniel also didn't say to run anywhere so that's just not going to happen. Christians will run to the mountains when they see the AoD.
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The Christians living in Jerusalem? Really? I think that the abomination of desolation that happens in the Jewish temple will frighten people...especially with what happens after where the city is taken and the women ravished. Here’s the verse I’m thinking of...

Zechariah‬ ‭14:2‬ ‭
For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.​
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Lisamn said:
But it looks like the name of Jesus did...didn’t you read the rest of my post talking about Josephus?
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He didn't know the English word Jesus either.
 
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Lisamn said:
The Christians living in Jerusalem? Really? I think that the abomination of desolation that happens in the Jewish temple will frighten people...especially with what happens after where the city is taken and the women ravished. Here’s the verse I’m thinking of...

Zechariah‬ ‭14:2‬ ‭
For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.​
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No one is running to the mountains in that verse.
 
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Lisamn said:
He mentioned Jesus.
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Not by the English name "Jesus".


Those are the ones that didn’t run to the mountains. I’m just saying that something about the abomination will get some of the Jews running.
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Nothing in the OT tells Jews to run to the mountains when the AoD appears. When Jesus said to run to the mountains he was talking to his disciples not to the Jews or Pharisees etc. The warning is for Christians, not anyone else.
 
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ewq1938 said:
Not by the English name "Jesus".




Nothing in the OT tells Jews to run to the mountains when the AoD appears. When Jesus said to run to the mountains he was talking to his disciples not to the Jews or Pharisees etc. The warning is for Christians, not anyone else.
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Looked like it was J E S U S and not Y E S H U A.

I would imagine that people who know of Jesus’ admonition to run to the mountains if they are in Jerusalem at that time will also run if they are in Judaea. But because Jesus tells them to run...I believe that some will run on their own because of what they see. In fact I can’t think it won’t happen.
 
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Lisamn said:
Looked like it was J E S U S and not Y E S H U A.
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That's a translation. He didn't know or write in English. Even the English in the 1611 KJV uses "Iesus" not "Jesus" and that's 1,500 years after Josephus wrote about him. The English name "Jesus" is a modern creation. Nothing wrong in using it but it didn't exist in the distant past.
 
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ewq1938 said:
That's a translation. He didn't know or write in English. Even the English in the 1611 KJV uses "Iesus" not "Jesus" and that's 1,500 years after Josephus wrote about him. The English name "Jesus" is a modern creation. Nothing wrong in using it but it didn't exist in the distant past.
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Like they put all names in English...like Josephus?
 
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