Old to New Covenant a 50 day transition

I'm going to take the chance that you are an intelligent and honest student of the Bible. I am also going to assume that English is your mother tongue. So, I will refer you to my posting # 39 without comment.

You have my deepest respect and I wish you all God's blessings.

If I go down to the local Chevy dealer and buy a car, it is usual to sign a contract. I have to fulfill terms and the dealer has to fulfill terms. Three days later, you walk in and say that you want to be part of the contract. The dealer will politely tell you that it is not possible, the girl-Friday who makes the tea, and who hears you will smirk, and if you took the dealership to the Supreme Court they would not even hear the matter. But the judge might refer you for psycological evaluation.

1. The Covenant made with Noah is made "with all flesh on the earth" (Gen.9:17). It applies to you and your dog. If you or your dog sheds blood, your dog's and/or your blood must be shed.
2. The next Covenant - that of Promise - was made exclusively with Abraham and his SEED via Jacob. The Church becomes eligible for this status, not by becoming physical seed of Jacob, but by being IN Christ (Gal.3.29) Who is physical seed of Abraham. There is no other way to become involved with it.
3. The next Covenant was made 430 years later at Horeb in Sinai with the seed of Jacob. One of the terms of this Contract is; No relations are allowed with the Nations (Gentiles), BUT ... if a stranger came to live with the Israelites, the same Laws applied to him as to the Israelite. Outside of Israel this Contract does not apply. The purpose of this Covenant was to enable Israel to be ritually clean to host God and manage the Land without polluting it. Gods part was to bless them temporally, protect their borders and extend their days in the Land. If Israel broke the Laws, God would expel them from the Land they had polluted.
4. This First Contract of Law was utterly broken by Israel and God, having shown Israel that they could not keep the is Law, not because the Law was bad, but because of the weakness of their flesh, and their hearts of stone, has decided to replace this Contract of Law with another Contract which contains the same Laws. But to enable Israel to keep it, and not be ejected from their Land again, God will give the Israelite a new heart and a new (human) spirit. Out of the heart are the issues of life and your human spirit is your source of vitality (Jas.2:26). With new and amenable hearts and spirits, Israel have the wherewithal to keep the Law, and so never again be ejected.

The last two Contracts have nothing to do with a Christian, unless, as one has pointed out, you are one of the twelve Apostles who will judge Israel in the Messianic age.

I sense that you are one of those generous people who wishes everybody well. You like to think of something positive in every man. Well and good. But if God makes a Contract with a Nation, He made it exclusively with that Nation. If He applied it to anybody else He would be unrighteous. Other men may admire it. Some others might follow its precepts. Some others may loudly claim that this Contract is with them too. It isn't. God will make a passing intellectual note of that man's folly, and continue with what He is doing. The man can do what he likes until he fasts in sack-cloth and ashes, but the Contract just isn't made with him.

Corban,
I read post #39, I doubt you'll be surprised it hasn't changed my view. I hope you will afford me the same courtesy.

God cuts a covenant with Abram (Gen 12:1-3) void of law. Verse 3 states ALL families of the earth be blessed. Gen 12:15 speaks to the unconditional nature of that covenant promise.

Gal 3:
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was 430 years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
(MY NOTE: The Abrahamic covenant is separate from & not annulled by the Mosaic covenant that is cut with Israel only)

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
(MY NOTE: Abraham receives his covenant promise where ALL families will be blessed via his coming seed/Christ void from any Mosais laws)

Heb 7:
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
(MY NOTE: Jesus mediates a more perfect all inclusive (faith required) new covenant. Better then/sepratate from the Old Mosaic Levitical priesthood)

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
(MY NOTE: a change of the law is required)

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
(MY NOTE: The law covenant brought death due to sin. The new covenant brings life thru faith in Christ)

Heb 8:
13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
(MY NOTE: The old covenant (which BTW Israel agreed to (Ex 19:8) & broke (Jer 31:31). Vanished Acts 2:4 when Jesus sent the Promise & baptized the believing Jews with his salvation sealing/eternal life giving Holy Spirit.)

Amplified Bible
2 Cor 3:
1 Are we starting to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some [false teachers], letters of recommendation to you or from you? [No!]

2 You are our letter [of recommendation], written in our hearts, recognized and read by everyone.

3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

4 Such is the confidence and steadfast reliance and absolute trust that we have through Christ toward God.

5 Not that we are sufficiently qualified in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency and qualifications come from God.

6 He has qualified us [making us sufficient] as ministers of a new covenant [of salvation through Christ], not of the letter [of a written code] but of the Spirit; for the letter [of the Law] kills [by revealing sin and demanding obedience], but the Spirit gives life.

The brackets above are from the AMP translators not from me.

King James Bible
2 Cor 3:
1 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?

2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:

3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:

5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
(MY NOTE: 2 Cor is written to believers (see 2 Cor 1:1. BTW Corinth is in Greece not Israel). The apostle say's in vs 5-6 that God has made US (Greek gentiles) ministers of the spiritual life giving new testament. NOT of the old testament that requires death because of sin.

Eph 3:6 This mystery is that thru the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of 1 body, & sharers together in the promise "in Christ"
(MY NOTE: Gentiles are heirs with Israel & share in Christ's PROMISED INDWELLING Holy Spirit)

Corban,
2 Cor 3:6 proclaims gentiles to be ministers of the new covenant. Eph 3:6 proclaims gentiles are heirs with Israel via Christ Holy Spirit in them).

Finally,
Our exchange has been a rare, pleasurable, personal attack free discussion. May is grace be multiplied to you & yours. JJ

What does all this have to do with that our God is a God of all humans, our God had to work with the Hebrews because all others denied Him, but our God has always wanted all humans to accept Him, not just the Hebrews. If the nations would have listened, our God would want them to, and this is stated several times in the old testament. Your "Israel only" is not found in scripture because it is not true.

What does all this have to do with that our God is a God of all humans, our God had to work with the Hebrews because all others denied Him, but our God has always wanted all humans to accept Him, not just the Hebrews. If the nations would have listened, our God would want them to, and this is stated several times in the old testament. Your "Israel only" is not found in scripture because it is not true.

FYI every time you read what Jesus preached during the 4 Gospels, always bear in mind his audience then, as stated in Matthew 15:24 and Romans 15:8. Furthermore, the gospel of the kingdom was never meant for gentiles (Matthew 10:5-7)

So you actually interpret what Paul is saying in that 1 Thess 4:16-17 passage, as the 2nd coming of Christ?

There are many Christians who believe that the Body of Christ will also go thru the Tribulation.

One question I have for these is this "Suppose a Christian takes the mark of the beast during that period of time, do they believe he will then lose his salvation?"

What are your views on this? Most of whom I ask will avoid this dilemma by adopting this doctrine "If he took the mark, that means he was never saved in the first place".

Is that your view too?

FYI every time you read what Jesus preached during the 4 Gospels, always bear in mind his audience then, as stated in Matthew 15:24 and Romans 15:8. Furthermore, the gospel of the kingdom was never meant for gentiles (Matthew 10:5-7)

So you actually interpret what Paul is saying in that 1 Thess 4:16-17 passage, as the 2nd coming of Christ?

There are many Christians who believe that the Body of Christ will also go thru the Tribulation.

One question I have for these is this "Suppose a Christian takes the mark of the beast during that period of time, do they believe he will then lose his salvation?"

What are your views on this? Most of whom I ask will avoid this dilemma by adopting this doctrine "If he took the mark, that means he was never saved in the first place".

Is that your view too?

One of the best teachings on how we are become Israel is the Epistle to the Ephesians.

It is taught in my places throughout the Word, but this particular writing is easiest to learn.

I don’t know that the gospel was never meant for gentiles...For God so loved the world is what John tells us. Not just the Jews or ok..I guess the gentiles too..but God so loved the world. Which tells me He loves us all.


Is this not the rapture..Where we go to meet the Lord in the clouds.


I am one of those who believes that us Christinas will go through the tribulation until the wrath of God..and then we will be raptured because God has not destine us for wrath.

Yes, I do believe that any Christian who pledges his allegiance to the antichrist by taking the mark will lose their salvation.

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I believe that any Christian can fall away from the faith and lose their salvation by doing that...taking the mark is a form of falling away.


Some people say that its not real Christinas that fall away from the faith...but how can you fall away from the faith if you’re not a real Christian? Doesn’t that mean you have to first have faith?

Some people say that Hebrews are not talking to Christians here. And I say...who can be partakers of the Holy Spirit? From what I know only Christians can become partakers of the Holy Spirit.



We, Christians still have free will..we can choose to abide in God or not and the Holy Spirit will help us be steadfast in our faith if we ask Him..but anyone can defect at any time...God doesn’t make us do anything. That’s why once saved always saved is such a deadly and false theory. One assumes that they can’t lose what God gave and give verses that I don’t think says what they think it says as reasons why when there are obvious verses, like Hebrews 6:4-6 and even Hebrews 10..which says you can shrink back to destruction...says very bluntly that osas is false.


I also think of Paul in Romans 11..God doesn’t guarantee us...He just provides the way of salvation.


We are being saved day by day...its not a done deal yet.

If you stop believing on the Lord Jesus Christ...does God want you to be in heaven with Him when it is the way to salvation? Aren’t you then making your own way to God..and that doesn’t work..there is only one way to the Father...through the Son.

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Anyway..that’s my thinking on these things.

My only question is, how does anyone know the ten lost tribes are returning when they were lost and no one knows or know where they were? This is an honest question.