The World is watching us, what do they see?

Because it is true that salvations is never given through works, only by faith, that message needs to be understood in its purest form. So often in posts it is twisted to mean you must not work.

I find that the majority of posts put their emphasis on the twist to not work, and my posts saying so is then twisted to say you must work. It is a matter of balance. I'll bet you that your post is to say that I am not understanding this guy, that you are sure he is balancing the word properly.

The Judaizers understood being set apart , Following rules and observing commands.

I have read many posts in response to yours, and I don't see anyone asserting that "you must not work".

Consider this, please: If someone tells you that salvation does not depend on following the Law, and that post-salvation, adherence to the Law does not add anything to your sanctification, does that mean the same thing as "You must not work"?

NO!

Yet you persist in rephrasing everything. You don't respond to what others write. Instead, you translate their words into your own words and react to your paraphrase, attributing it to the other person.

That is like me saying, "Blik just wants everyone to follow the Law". Is that what you have said? No. What is even worse is that you complain when others misrepresent your words. Therefore, you are in practice (though perhaps not in character) a hypocrite. Please STOP rephrasing the words of others, because you consistently get the meaning wrong.


My response to you was about your comment, which was not directly relevant to ThroughFaith's comment.

A Judaizer is someone who believes that following superficial ritualistic commands is the same as following the spirit of Christ. A person who believes that it means that anything the Jews do we are not to do are as superficial as the Judaizers.

A Judaizer is someone who believes that following superficial ritualistic commands is the same as following the spirit of Christ. A person who believes that it means that anything the Jews do we are not to do are as superficial as the Judaizers.

A Judaizer is someone who believes that following superficial ritualistic commands is the same as following the spirit of Christ. A person who believes that it means that anything the Jews do we are not to do are as superficial as the Judaizers.

There are people out in the world who wonder what Christianity is all about and pull up our site to see Christianity. Do we show them the wonder and glory of the Lord, or a world of enemies and hate?

The glory and wonders of the Lord is centered in the gospel. When the Lord dwells in man then man takes on the love that is the Lord, yet this site often shows enemies created over such as whether Sunday or Saturday is better to have church. Even the gospel is used to create enemies, as the debate goes on over sin and how it applies to the gospel.

Is there a way we can use this site to show the love that is God? Because so many take the discussion on to establish hate and enemies, do you think it is best we never discuss scripture?

Sadly I have spoken on this many times to no avail many browse this site before joining and plenty are also new believers I have known many new believers and even veteran believers with tender hearts who were scared off from the brutality of this place some of which were dealing with suicidal thoughts and were so afraid about their sins and that God would not love them and send them to hell then of course wouldn't you know it another thread about sin and being sinless popped up only hurting these people more I pm them a lot when they were on here but I just couldn't reach them people who argued we are to be sinless and that it is in fact possible attacked and quoted scripture cherry picking and taking out of context and these poor people were only more confirmed about their standing in God no matter what I tried to say to them

Others were gentle souls and all the name calling and using scripture as a weapon hurt them and I comforted them but eventually the attacks became to much others still told me they respected me andd thought I was truly a loving soul but that the spirit of God was not here and went to join another forum, I keep saying on here that we are in a chess game between God and the devil and we are the chess pieces I keep saying how words have poower and keep saying we are called to love and be love how if you cannot debate in calm loving and Christlike manner you shouldn't be debating and that so many only seem to argue and debate to simply prove themselves right and refuse to learn or listen to anyone else's point of view how so many cherry pick and use scripture to (prove their view) and wonder why I don't use scripture very often in my posts

I have seen the usage of scripture and have seen the damage it has done to people I have seen the damage done to people because of the childish and unloving arguments and debates I have lost several cherished friends because no one would lay down their arms and actually debate as we should and it doesn't matter how many times I talk about the ones who were damaged on here people just keep doing it never knowing or seeing the damage they do in their wanting to prove themselves right or acting and talking like little second graders but what do they care? As long as they can go back forth with others and do everything they can to prove their beleifs and defeat the opposing then what does it matter?

Oh yes iron sharpens irionswhich is the main excuse given when I confront people about it but what good does it do to sharpend your blade if you only use it to attack others?

I think people confuse wanting to get to the truth as in iron sharpens iron to wanting to be right. I’ve had to step back myself and say...am I trying to be right here...or am I trying to get to the truth?

I think its hard when we all think we have the truth and can bring up verses that prove..at least to ourselves what we think is true. Which is where I think iron sharpening iron does come in.

I’m not a big fan of calling names or trying to hurt others to prove a point..I think that is ego‘s on overdrive...and it doesn’t win the argument in the end.

A pastor I listen to says that God only has Christians to work with and that we are still sinners and we will hurt one another. I think he’s right.

I think its admirable of you to want to befriend the hurting here..but if you can’t reach them..there is always prayer.

The world is watching and when a Christian says " I'm saved by the blood of Jesus . He died for my sins . I believed the Gospel and recieved the Holy Spirit ..BUT !! I must do this ,I Must do that . If I do this or don't do that " . They will see that this christianity thing is no different to Islam , Catholicism, Judaism, ect .

It is amazing how the very same principles can be stated as a positive principle or a negative one. Paul put it like this in Romans 6:2 "how shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein". Jesus put it like this: "my burden in light". Jesus also told us to repent, and it would be impossible to repent of sin and also tell the Lord he cannot ask you to repent of sin. Living a life of bondage to sin is not a pleasant life, living in the love of the Lord IS a pleasant life. You put it as "you must do this or that".

It is amazing how the very same principles can be stated as a positive principle or a negative one. Paul put it like this in Romans 6:2 "how shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein". Jesus put it like this: "my burden in light". Jesus also told us to repent, and it would be impossible to repent of sin and also tell the Lord he cannot ask you to repent of sin. Living a life of bondage to sin is not a pleasant life, living in the love of the Lord IS a pleasant life. You put it as "you must do this or that".

There are people out in the world who wonder what Christianity is all about and pull up our site to see Christianity. Do we show them the wonder and glory of the Lord, or a world of enemies and hate?

The glory and wonders of the Lord is centered in the gospel. When the Lord dwells in man then man takes on the love that is the Lord, yet this site often shows enemies created over such as whether Sunday or Saturday is better to have church. Even the gospel is used to create enemies, as the debate goes on over sin and how it applies to the gospel.

Is there a way we can use this site to show the love that is God? Because so many take the discussion on to establish hate and enemies, do you think it is best we never discuss scripture?

how shall we, that are dead to sin '

What is the answer ? Believe the last part and reckon ourselves indeed dead to sin . This is not a command to do something. Its a fact about something. That a believer is dead to sin . Meaning that he cannot be condemned anymore. He is now free from the penalty of sin . Justified.

And this interpretation of scripture is the result of not listening to scripture. Paul was discussing continuing to sin by saying Romans 6:2 "God forbid, then how shall we, who died to sin still live in it". You have changed the entire meaning of what Paul is telling you by picking out the words you want to listen to.

And this interpretation of scripture is the result of not listening to scripture. Paul was discussing continuing to sin by saying Romans 6:2 "God forbid, then how shall we, who died to sin still live in it". You have changed the entire meaning of what Paul is telling you by picking out the words you want to listen to.

And this interpretation of scripture is the result of not listening to scripture. Paul was discussing continuing to sin by saying Romans 6:2 "God forbid, then how shall we, who died to sin still live in it". You have changed the entire meaning of what Paul is telling you by picking out the words you want to listen to.