Some things about the law that need explaining.

Oh, you actually regard the 2 as equivalent.

So can I conclude you believe Israel the nation is under the new covenant now?

The cross dude, the cross

anyone who is saved goes through the cross, Jew or gentile. That’s why paul said there is no more Jew or gentile we are one in Christ,

we join Adam, eve, Seth, Noah etc etc.

your stuck on a vision you can’t break out of that’s why you can’t see it

That is the body of Christ, and yes it is because of the cross.

But the nation of Israel has a future destiny with God thru the new covenant.

Once Again, You claim to be a dispensationalist but you don’t even separate the body of Christ from the nation Israel.

If you agree the Body of Christ has not replaced Israel, why do you insist that the New Covenant, that was explicitly stated to be cut with Israel in Hebrews 8:8, is also cut with us?

Can I ask, how do you interpret Romans 11 with regard to the notion that the body of Christ and Israel are separate?

Romans 11 is full of references that they are separate, here are some.

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

Romans 11:
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

How would you interpret them, if you think they are not separated?

The only separation is here:

one side: Those of Israel who reject Christ along with all gentiles who also reject Christ. These are known as unsaved, wicked, faithless.

other side: Those of Israel who accept Christ along with all gentiles who also accept Christ.- this is the body of Christ also called the Bride and the Church.

That is the body of Christ, and yes it is because of the cross.

But the nation of Israel has a future destiny with God thru the new covenant.

Once Again, You claim to be a dispensationalist but you don’t even separate the body of Christ from the nation Israel.

Can I ask, how do you interpret Romans 11 with regard to the notion that the body of Christ and Israel are separate?

Who does scripture say is Israel?

Galatians 3:29
And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.

The only separation is here:

one side: Those of Israel who reject Christ along with all gentiles who also reject Christ. These are known as unsaved, wicked, faithless.

other side: Those of Israel who accept Christ along with all gentiles who also accept Christ.- this is the body of Christ also called the Bride and the Church.

How would you interpret them, if you think they are not separated?

Yet Isreal is called natural, gentiles unnatural.

and gentile believers are warned not to be puffed up that they now hold the way,

because there will come a time in the future when all Israel (this would include the ones attached to the vine and those who are blind) will repent and they all will be saved,

That's a bit misleading due to KJV archaic english. Natural branches are the original branches of a tree and the wild branches of wild olive trees are simply ones that grow naturally in wildernessness with no cultivation or human intervention. Any wild branches that have faith in Christ are grafted into the cultivated tree (like a tree on a farm or personal garden).

The reason not to be puffed up is given in the passage:

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Verse 19 is replacement theology and branches are wrong that other branches were broken off to include them. Any original branches that are broken off are only broken off due to not accepting Christ. Here Paul speaks against RT. The wild branches JOIN this tree not replace it or any of it's branches.

There is no prophecy that one whole generation will repent and accept Christ. Olive tree is and all it's branches will be saved because they have faith in Christ. Any broken off branches are no longer Israel but are gentiles in spiritual sense.

I think the crux of the chapter is verse 15.


Romans 11:15
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead


There is so much said in this one verse:

1) The people of Israel were cast away from something/someone

2) That casting away led to the reconciling the world (gospel)

3) The people of Israel will be received again to something/someone

4) Receiving them will lead to the raising of the dead (the resurrection)

...and we know that the resurrection includes all those who are "in Christ", which we know as "the body of Christ".

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In chapter 11, Paul shares with us an analogy using an olive tree and branches.

He calls the people of Israel "natural branches" and calls gentile believers "wild branches", saying the natural branches are broken off from their good olive tree while the wild branches are grafted into that good olive tree...but there will come a time when the natural branches will be grafted again into THEIR good olive tree (the olive tree gentile believers are currently grafted onto).


Romans 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree


There's only one good olive tree: the one the natural branches came from that the wild branches are currently nourished by. So they're not separate, the natural branches are simply cast off for now in punishment.

If we relabeled the analogy we can see this:

Good olive tree = Israel, of which Messiah is King

Natural branches = (blood descents) the people of of Israel

Wild branches = gentile believers in Messiah

So you basically have the doctrine that states

God always meant Israel to be those who believed in the gospel.

Those who believed in the gospel become Israel.

Is that the correct interpretation of your view?

Yeah, I guess you could say that...although to complete the view, I would say:


God always meant Israel to be those who believed in the gospel.

Those who believed in the gospel become Israel.

There's a remnant of "natural-born" elected to regraft into Israel at the right time (because of Almighty's love for the patriarchs)

Once that happens, all Israel (both "natural" and "wild") will have been saved.

Yep, that is the "sophisticated" form of replacement theology I mentioned in this other thread here.

It's not a form of RT at all. RT teaches the gentile church replaces Israel not becomes part of Israel.