The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

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brightfame52

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seed_time_harvest said:
Sounds like you are saying that CHRIST did not die for all men.That wouldn't be fair,no one WANTS to be eternally damned.

GOD loves righteousness and dieting for some and not All wouldn't be fair and right.Also If CHRIST didn't die for all ,then all men wouldn't have a choice.That's not how GOD IS.

Hebrews 1:7-10
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7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

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John 3:14-16
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14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God SO loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Christ died for the saved.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
The natural, unregenerate, man does not hear and believe in the things of the Spirit, 1 Cor 2"14, because he is not his sheep, nor does he have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
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He does not want to. We all started that way. You were not born into some "master class".
 
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brightfame52 said:
Christ died for the saved.
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Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard [it], he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ForestGreenCook said:
I use the Strong's concordance, and sometimes Thayer's. Have you taken time to see how that Strong's interprets the word "condemned" in John 3:18?
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You mean a condemned person can get to heaven?

come on man, sometimes common sense is in order. Your probably the only person I know who this is this way
 
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brightfame52 said:
The Death of Christ alone saved them he died for, namely the Elect, the Sheep, since by His One Offering they were sanctified unto God once and for all Heb 10:10

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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IF we have faith in that offering that is. Otherwise it is of no effect.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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brightfame52 said:
He saved the lost He died for by His dying for them. That is the world He died for, the saved.
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then he is not a loving God, he is a God who does exactly what Satan said, and picks and choses, and prety much forces a group of the guilty by forcing them to be saved, while refusing to allow the other guilty to even have the opportunity to be saved,

yeah you can have that God.
 
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Corban said:
I answered your statement in your posting # 32. Quote:



Here is what God said, which I had already proffered. Quote:



The rest of your argument is moot except that by pitting one scripture against another, all you do is discredit the Bible. I made a statement and gave the verses. You directly negated it. I pointed this out, and gave a short explanation. Again, you try to negate it with other scriptures. Take a careful look what you wrote and what the Holy Spirit wrote - and make a decision whose word is correct. I was just the reporter of what the Holy Spirit said.
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Yes.

I showed you scripture that makes your interpretation of what you think scripture says, wrong.

The scripture that you posted is good. It just doesn't mean what you think it does.


John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


If the Lord has taken away ALL sin from the world then what is there left to condemn????

The blessings of the Lord belong to the WORLD of believers only.



The Lord has taken away the sin of the world for those who come to Him. Everyone in the world, who has come to Christ, has their sin forgiven.

Unbelievers retain their sin and are condemned in their unbelief. Condemned because of their sin that they retain.



Romans 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
 
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Grandpa

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eternally-gratefull said:
again, this is not true.

Christ did not die for the sin of unbelief, one who does not believe in effect calls the HS, who has been Gods teacher of his salvation from the beginning a liar. In effect blaspheming him.

if Christ died for the sin of unbelief, THEN no one could be condemned, but that did not happen.

it’s why he said, those who have no believed are condemned already. Because they have not believed.

unbelief is the only thing that will condemn a person.
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Christ died to bring His People to Him and give them Salvation.

Atheists are included.

There are many atheists who have come to Christ and been FORGIVEN of their UNBELIEF.

Christs' sacrifice is sufficient for ALL SINS.


In fact, faith is one of the fruit of the Spirit.

John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
 
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Grandpa said:
Romans 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
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I just realized the verse citation on this panel does not include verse 2 :oops::censored:
 
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Grandpa said:
Yes.

I showed you scripture that makes your interpretation of what you think scripture says, wrong.

The scripture that you posted is good. It just doesn't mean what you think it does.


John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


If the Lord has taken away ALL sin from the world then what is there left to condemn????

The blessings of the Lord belong to the WORLD of believers only.



The Lord has taken away the sin of the world for those who come to Him. Everyone in the world, who has come to Christ, has their sin forgiven.

Unbelievers retain their sin and are condemned in their unbelief. Condemned because of their sin that they retain.



Romans 8:1-2
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
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I did not interpret the verse. It does not need it. It is plain an simple. I pitted the plain language against your statement that the Lamb did NOT take away the sin of the world in your posting # 32. Here again is what you wrote. Quote;

Grandpa # 32
If the Lord Jesus has died for the sin of the whole world, as you suggest, then there are no guilty. There is no one that would not go into the Kingdom of God. Even those who don't want to.
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I say again, let scripture talk for itself in John 1:29 ...

"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
 
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ForestGreenCook

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oyster67 said:
He died for all, but not all will be saved by His death. That is the truth. Please, for the sake of your own soul, stop being a false teacher. You are now completely without excuse.
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oyster67 said:
Jesus' blood covers them also. Remember that God transcends time. Don't underestimate the power of the Blood. Do you really not understand these things?
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I agree with this fact.
 
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ForestGreenCook

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oyster67 said:
He died for all, but not all will be saved by His death. That is the truth. Please, for the sake of your own soul, stop being a false teacher. You are now completely without excuse.
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The false teacher title could belong to you.
 
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ForestGreenCook

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oyster67 said:
I can see that you have purposely and willfully convoluted the Truth of God's Word. A dark eternity awaits you unless you repent.
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That's rather harsh, considering that you might be the one that is convoluting the truth. Scripture proves scripture and they all harmonize.
 
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ForestGreenCook

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Corban said:
I did not interpret the verse. It does not need it. It is plain an simple. I pitted the plain language against your statement that the Lamb did NOT take away the sin of the world in your posting # 32. Here again is what you wrote. Quote;



I say again, let scripture talk for itself in John 1:29 ...

"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
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There is a world that God so loves, and there is a world that God tells us not to love. You are using the word world in the wrong context.
 
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