If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?

I just got back to Christian Chat after a very long absence, and since Sabbath/Sunday is a favorite subject, I came here, but you are all off having fun in a different direction! Hee-hee!
If someone commanded me to worship on Sabbath, no problem at all.

hey Beez!! welcome back!!

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i really don't think you are correct.
Adam was not deceived. if Adam had been present when the Serpent deceived Woman, that would put him in the position of being deceived.
Adam did not 'blame' Woman & Woman didn't 'blame' Satan. God did not admonish Adam for 'failing to prevent Woman' and God would not accept either one of them without confession & repentance.
they both confessed their sin immediately and factually without making excuses or trying to shift responsibility.

Woman confessed her failure. Adam confessed his. when he says, 'the Woman which you gave to be with me' Adam is certainly not blaming God for tempting him to sin. next time you pray, try telling God that it's God's fault you sinned because of the things God did in your life. see if God accepts that? tell God He Himself is the cause of the evil you do?

You and I must have different translations or something, so I will have to disagree with you.

Genesis 3:6
And when the woman saw, that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she tooke of the fruit thereof, and did eate, and gaue also vnto her husband with her, and hee did eate.

My bad, KJV doesn't add "who was" with her.
ESV and others do.

You don't have to disagree with the truth just because your translation is wrong. I posted earlier a literal word for word version because we need to know here what has been added by interpretation in order to smooth out the speech in English and what is actually there in Hebrew

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Adam had to be there with her, because both of them hid. Otherwise our faith is a waste of time.

I see it this way

adam had the most beautiful woman ever created by God next to him, and after she ate, he knew she would die. His fear of being alone caused him to sin.

it happens all the time

My scripture disagrees with you, in my bible it tells us to rest from our labors. That means to rest in Christ, as we are forgiven of our sins by Christ. It also tells us to rest our bodies as they are tired from our physical labors. We are to accept what the Lord tells us and not deny His words either physically or spiritually.

it's literally 'her husband with her' -- which can be understood as 'with her' in the sense that now they both have eaten, rather than 'with her' in the sense that they are both standing together listening to Satan and staring at the tree. KJV et al put 'her husband who was with her' interpretively, not literally.

i know we've talked about this before and we're not *exactly* on the same page -- just making my own case here.

1 Timothy 2:14-16 says Woman was first in transgression, and Adam was not deceived.

if Adam is standing right there listening to Satan & watching his wife believe his lies, and Adam is 'guilty' for failing to prevent this from happening, for failing to prevent her from reaching out and taking the fruit, for not doing the good he knew to do by rebuking Satan's lie -- then Adam is in transgression before Woman is, or Adam is deceived along with her. either case contradicts 1 Timothy so neither can be true.

ergo Adam was not there beside Woman when she was deceived and took the fruit. there's a space of time between her taking and then giving some to her husband -- he didn't pick what he ate from the tree; she gave it to him. she gave it to him 'with her' in the sense that there she is with fruit, finds Adam, says something to him ((God said later, 'because you listened to your wife')) and gives him fruit too, so that then they 'together' have fruit.

what she says to him doesn't deceive him. what she says to him, he listens to, and decides with full knowledge to join her in eating.
IMO she says something to the effect of 'save me' -- and then Adam, like Job, becomes guilty of justifying himself rather than God, thinking, if he joins her in transgression that God will save both of them, but if he leaves her in death, she will be destroyed and he will be left. he chooses death, thinking, he can save her by doing this. Adam isn't guilty of failing to save Woman. he is guilty of believing he can effectively be her savior by joining her in sin -- he listened to her, and what she asked him to do was wrong.

whose idea are the fig leaves, and why does Adam give up on them, answering God as soon as God calls 'where are you?'
Adam isn't cursed, but Jesus curses the fig tree for being fruitless after He saw it's leaves. Adam, i infer, had fruit that Israel didn't. Adam answered, repenting of the fig-leaf-covering as soon as he heard the voice of God calling, looking to Him for mercy.

Why would anyone assume the serpent communicating with Eve was audible to Adam who was right there with her? And yes, Adam was held responsible whether he heard the deception spoke to Eve or not. My position on Jesus cursing the fig tree is as a pronouncement of judgment against the unfruitfulness of Israel's sacrificial system which was coming to an immediate end with the institution of the New Covenant, which happened within the week.

I see it this way

adam had the most beautiful woman ever created by God next to him, and after she ate, he knew she would die. His fear of being alone caused him to sin.

it happens all the time

If Adam was guilty of not preventing Woman from sin, is God guilty of the same?

Some people fault Adam for not building a fence or something, but, well, God didn't either - in fact He planted the tree there.

Adam was held responsible... and yes, we all have that choice to make

she was judged for her own sin - even tho she was deceived.
Adam was judged for eating, too, and 'because he listened to her' - - I'm not seeing where God told him it was his fault Woman sinned.

you are Wrong

Please stop YELLING. It MAKES your posts DIFFICULT TO READ.

It is simple: Gentiles are not under the Law. That is made abundantly clear in Galatians and Hebrews as well as Acts and Romans.

Did I say it was his fault? No, I did not Adam was held responsible, though.

Sin and death entered the world through ONE MAN. The first Adam.

People faulting God is just... what would be an appropriate word here?

Gal. 3:28-29 You are Abraham's seed one in Christ same commandments same promises.

That law and the ceremonial ordinances and mans tradition which was nailed to the cross is the only law you are no longer under. Mat. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Gods commandments are and will be till you die.