If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?
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Thank you, Posthuman!!
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i really don't think you are correct.
Adam was not deceived. if Adam had been present when the Serpent deceived Woman, that would put him in the position of being deceived.
Adam did not 'blame' Woman & Woman didn't 'blame' Satan. God did not admonish Adam for 'failing to prevent Woman' and God would not accept either one of them without confession & repentance.
they both confessed their sin immediately and factually without making excuses or trying to shift responsibility.
Woman confessed her failure. Adam confessed his. when he says, 'the Woman which you gave to be with me' Adam is certainly not blaming God for tempting him to sin. next time you pray, try telling God that it's God's fault you sinned because of the things God did in your life. see if God accepts that? tell God He Himself is the cause of the evil you do?
Adam was not deceived. if Adam had been present when the Serpent deceived Woman, that would put him in the position of being deceived.
Adam did not 'blame' Woman & Woman didn't 'blame' Satan. God did not admonish Adam for 'failing to prevent Woman' and God would not accept either one of them without confession & repentance.
they both confessed their sin immediately and factually without making excuses or trying to shift responsibility.
Woman confessed her failure. Adam confessed his. when he says, 'the Woman which you gave to be with me' Adam is certainly not blaming God for tempting him to sin. next time you pray, try telling God that it's God's fault you sinned because of the things God did in your life. see if God accepts that? tell God He Himself is the cause of the evil you do?
Genesis 3:6
And when the woman saw, that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she tooke of the fruit thereof, and did eate, and gaue also vnto her husband with her, and hee did eate.
My bad, KJV doesn't add "who was" with her.
ESV and others do.
You don't have to disagree with the truth just because your translation is wrong. I posted earlier a literal word for word version because we need to know here what has been added by interpretation in order to smooth out the speech in English and what is actually there in Hebrew
And when the woman saw, that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she tooke of the fruit thereof, and did eate, and gaue also vnto her husband with her, and hee did eate.
My bad, KJV doesn't add "who was" with her.
ESV and others do.
You don't have to disagree with the truth just because your translation is wrong. I posted earlier a literal word for word version because we need to know here what has been added by interpretation in order to smooth out the speech in English and what is actually there in Hebrew
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I believe Jesus was speaking to the Jews at the time saying " Come to me all you who are weary and heavy laden , and I will give you rest "...He was telling them that they no longer need to make themselves right with God , no longer do they need to sacrifice animals , Jesus has done it all , it is ALL finished...
They can now rest from their works , and Jesus was telling them that only through Him could they come to the Father , not by their own works...
...xox...
They can now rest from their works , and Jesus was telling them that only through Him could they come to the Father , not by their own works...
...xox...
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And the woman seeth that the tree [is] good for food, and that it [is] pleasant to the eyes, and the tree is desirable to make [one] wise, and she taketh of its fruit and eateth, and giveth also to her husband with her, and he doth eat
(Genesis 3:6 YLT)
it's literally 'her husband with her' -- which can be understood as 'with her' in the sense that now they both have eaten, rather than 'with her' in the sense that they are both standing together listening to Satan and staring at the tree. KJV et al put 'her husband who was with her' interpretively, not literally.
i know we've talked about this before and we're not *exactly* on the same page -- just making my own case here.
1 Timothy 2:14-16 says Woman was first in transgression, and Adam was not deceived.
if Adam is standing right there listening to Satan & watching his wife believe his lies, and Adam is 'guilty' for failing to prevent this from happening, for failing to prevent her from reaching out and taking the fruit, for not doing the good he knew to do by rebuking Satan's lie -- then Adam is in transgression before Woman is, or Adam is deceived along with her. either case contradicts 1 Timothy so neither can be true.
ergo Adam was not there beside Woman when she was deceived and took the fruit. there's a space of time between her taking and then giving some to her husband -- he didn't pick what he ate from the tree; she gave it to him. she gave it to him 'with her' in the sense that there she is with fruit, finds Adam, says something to him ((God said later, 'because you listened to your wife')) and gives him fruit too, so that then they 'together' have fruit.
what she says to him doesn't deceive him. what she says to him, he listens to, and decides with full knowledge to join her in eating.
IMO she says something to the effect of 'save me' -- and then Adam, like Job, becomes guilty of justifying himself rather than God, thinking, if he joins her in transgression that God will save both of them, but if he leaves her in death, she will be destroyed and he will be left. he chooses death, thinking, he can save her by doing this. Adam isn't guilty of failing to save Woman. he is guilty of believing he can effectively be her savior by joining her in sin -- he listened to her, and what she asked him to do was wrong.
whose idea are the fig leaves, and why does Adam give up on them, answering God as soon as God calls 'where are you?'
Adam isn't cursed, but Jesus curses the fig tree for being fruitless after He saw it's leaves. Adam, i infer, had fruit that Israel didn't. Adam answered, repenting of the fig-leaf-covering as soon as he heard the voice of God calling, looking to Him for mercy.
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Rom. 8:2 For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. That law and the ceremonial ordinances and mans tradition which was nailed to the cross is the only law you are no longer under. Mat. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Gods commandments are and will be till you die. And to those who don't understand Col. 2:16 this is not talking about the seventh day of week Sabbath commandment it is talking about feast day Sabbath's. Please read Lev. 23:24,27,32,37-38 this explains this in full. And gods commandments are not contrary to us they are to be a blessing not a curse which some believe. This is the enemy at work trying to twist the truth of Elyions word. Im not out to slander anyone or point finger in judgment I just want truth to be known.
Did I say it was his fault? No, I did not Adam was held responsible, though.
Sin and death entered the world through ONE MAN. The first Adam.
Adam was held responsible, though. Sin and death entered the world through ONE MAN. The first Adam.
People faulting God is just... what would be an appropriate word here?
that's why i get in such a stir about the super-common position that Adam 'blamed his wife' to God. he said to God, 'the woman You gave' -- so if he's casting blame with this statement, he's faulting God
-- i don't believe at all that he is in any way doing anything but confessing his sin with repentance. what he is doing by saying this, tho, is as you say, he's expressing that he faults himself for letting this happen to his wife. he really loves her, and he is very intelligent, with great insightNow that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning
back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them
all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain.
Acts 13:38-39
back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them
all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!
I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain.
Acts 13:38-39
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you're contradicting yourself with these two statements. in both places exactly the same words are used, "the law" -- in one place you decide to break "the law" apart into pieces, as tho being guilty of one part isn't being guilty of all, or there are some "least commandments" you can ignore and teach others to ignore. in the other place you are saying none of "the law" is annulled but that the redeemed are under it, as tho the ones crucified with Him haven't died with Him, and were never & will never be made free from the curse that damns them.
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